Kill stealing really needs to be addressed

Strider__Roshin

Just had a really easy BG match. Just hanged out in the back with my team of magsorcs as we let the other two teams do all the fighting. This honestly shouldn't be a thing. Making deathmatch be only team vs team would be an easy fix. Just saying

Sanctum74

Team vs team would definitely be a good change, but regardless there will always be players that will hide in the back stealing kills. New rules are not going to make players all of a sudden grow a set of...

Solariken

The fix is simple really. Just change Mage's Fury/Wrath to only trigger when the sorc or an ally damages the target while under 20% health. Boom. Done.

Strider__Roshin

Solariken wrote: »

The fix is simple really. Just change Mage's Fury/Wrath to only trigger when the sorc or an ally damages the target while under 20% health. Boom. Done.

Not a bad idea honestly

Drako_Ei

Solariken wrote: »

The fix is simple really. Just change Mage's Fury/Wrath to only trigger when the sorc or an ally damages the target while under 20% health. Boom. Done.

What about impale, radiant destruction?

Royaji

So you are saying the other two teams were stupid enough to let you just hang at the back and steal all the kills? Not trying to push you and prevent stealing? Sounds like a fair win, tbh.

Strider__Roshin

Royaji wrote: »

So you are saying the other two teams were stupid enough to let you just hang at the back and steal all the kills? Not trying to push you and prevent stealing? Sounds like a fair win, tbh.

Pretty much

heng14rwb17_ESO

GO SORC OR GO CRY !

ChunkyCat

Nerf Nightblades.

Fawn4287

Solariken wrote: »

The fix is simple really. Just change Mage's Fury/Wrath to only trigger when the sorc or an ally damages the target while under 20% health. Boom. Done.

Just remove the status effect styling of the ability, a fire and forget mechanic on an execute is just plain cheesy, I cant count the number of magsorcs Ive seen have equal or more kills to the rest of the teams combined kills whilst coming third or last with damage done

iCaliban

I run max damage set ups in bgs, endless fury doesnt kill most tanky stam builds anymore, You often have to hit 2 or even 3 of them, which is difficult to do with the double dodge chance on execute.

wheem_ESO

I have a hard time complaining about Mag Sorc (or other) executes with Spin-to-Win being in the game. The OP's team probably would have been able to steal kills even easier with a Dawnbreaker and Spinny Spin Spin bomb...You don't even need to worry about pets or other players body blocking you, or your execute(s) getting dodged or cleansed.

iCaliban wrote: »

I run max damage set ups in bgs, endless fury doesnt kill most tanky stam builds anymore, You often have to hit 2 or even 3 of them, which is difficult to do with the double dodge chance on execute.

That'll be changing with Elsweyr, the "proc" at the end won't be dodgeable anymore.

PhoenixGrey

The mag sorc execute is currently the weakest execute in the game.

A high MMR player will never die to a mag sorc execute which can be dodged twice and does negligible damage.

brandonv516

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

The mag sorc execute is currently the weakest execute in the game.

A high MMR player will never die to a mag sorc execute which can be dodged twice and does negligible damage.

I'm pretty sure there's a few Sorcs out there who can disprove this.

PhoenixGrey

brandonv516 wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

The mag sorc execute is currently the weakest execute in the game.

A high MMR player will never die to a mag sorc execute which can be dodged twice and does negligible damage.

I'm pretty sure there's a few Sorcs out there who can disprove this.

Yeah i m pretty sure as well. The execute works pretty well against other mag sorcs . Easiest class to farm in high MMR bg's

Strider__Roshin

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

The mag sorc execute is currently the weakest execute in the game.

A high MMR player will never die to a mag sorc execute which can be dodged twice and does negligible damage.

I'm pretty sure there's a few Sorcs out there who can disprove this.

Yeah i m pretty sure as well. The execute works pretty well against other mag sorcs . Easiest class to farm in high MMR bg's

Yeah not to mention magsorcs have the lowest burst in the game. Man I feel bad for the poor class. Must suck to be so weak

PhoenixGrey

Daus wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

The mag sorc execute is currently the weakest execute in the game.

A high MMR player will never die to a mag sorc execute which can be dodged twice and does negligible damage.

I'm pretty sure there's a few Sorcs out there who can disprove this.

Yeah i m pretty sure as well. The execute works pretty well against other mag sorcs . Easiest class to farm in high MMR bg's

Yeah not to mention magsorcs have the lowest burst in the game. Man I feel bad for the poor class. Must suck to be so weak

Aren't you the struggling stamblade ? Imagine that in 2019

Thogard

A no cloak nightblade and a no pet magsorc are arguing over who has it easier without realizing that both of them are intentionally forgoing the carries available to their class.

Imagine.

PhoenixGrey

Thogard wrote: »

A no cloak nightblade and a no pet magsorc are arguing over who has it easier without realizing that both of them are intentionally forgoing the carries available to their class.

Imagine.

What's there to argue ?

Imagine arguing with a stamblade in 2019

GymBoss

If you won the game doing nothing but that then the problem isn't kill stealing but the other two teams inability to notice and take action.

No game dev can fix a problem with players and how they play the game.

susmitds

Thogard wrote: »

A no cloak nightblade and a no pet magsorc are arguing over who has it easier without realizing that both of them are intentionally forgoing the carries available to their class.

Imagine.

One of the most underrated comments in these forums.

HowlKimchi

This became a stamblade vs magsorc thread very fast.... as expected in 2019.

Beardimus

Yawn.

ecru

address the third team and the kill stealing is addressed right along with it

kwinter

Kill stealing is all about timing. I have seen two hand DK use crit rush or leap to rack up a ton of kills in BG. Do forgot snipping stealth NB

NordSwordnBoard

Would something like killing blow being x points, and most % damage within 30 seconds being y points work?

I don't know how much value to assign and don't want to make it about that. It's about getting some kind of credit where it's due.

Royalthought

kwinter wrote: »

Kill stealing is all about timing. I have seen two hand DK use crit rush or leap to rack up a ton of kills in BG. Do forgot snipping stealth NB

Ive no dog in the race but I think thats the OPs issue. The execute hes referring isnt about timing.

Cathexis

Daus wrote: »

Just had a really easy BG match. Just hanged out in the back with my team of magsorcs as we let the other two teams do all the fighting. This honestly shouldn't be a thing. Making deathmatch be only team vs team would be an easy fix. Just saying

It SHOULD BE A THING.

The only reason it shouldn't be a thing is because the two teams you were fighting were not paying attention. This is a L2P issue.

Strider__Roshin

Cathexis wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Just had a really easy BG match. Just hanged out in the back with my team of magsorcs as we let the other two teams do all the fighting. This honestly shouldn't be a thing. Making deathmatch be only team vs team would be an easy fix. Just saying

It SHOULD BE A THING.

The only reason it shouldn't be a thing is because the two teams you were fighting were not paying attention. This is a L2P issue.

Nope

Cathexis

Daus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Just had a really easy BG match. Just hanged out in the back with my team of magsorcs as we let the other two teams do all the fighting. This honestly shouldn't be a thing. Making deathmatch be only team vs team would be an easy fix. Just saying

It SHOULD BE A THING.

The only reason it shouldn't be a thing is because the two teams you were fighting were not paying attention. This is a L2P issue.

Nope

What do you mean nope? It should definitely be a thing.
Even if you found a reasonable way to police this (which you really can't), it is entirely a L2P issue. If you don't want you kills stolen by other players, play smarter. Other players will take your kills sometimes, it's going to happen. Kill those players, or don't attack players that will be kill sniped easily.

That's pretty much all there is to it. L2P issue. Honestly the level of entitlement I swear... It's not your kill until you kill it.

Strider__Roshin

Cathexis wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Just had a really easy BG match. Just hanged out in the back with my team of magsorcs as we let the other two teams do all the fighting. This honestly shouldn't be a thing. Making deathmatch be only team vs team would be an easy fix. Just saying

It SHOULD BE A THING.

The only reason it shouldn't be a thing is because the two teams you were fighting were not paying attention. This is a L2P issue.

Nope

What do you mean nope? It should definitely be a thing.
Even if you found a reasonable way to police this (which you really can't), it is entirely a L2P issue. If you don't want you kills stolen by other players, play smarter. Other players will take your kills sometimes, it's going to happen. Kill those players, or don't attack players that will be kill sniped easily.

That's pretty much all there is to it. L2P issue. Honestly the level of entitlement I swear... It's not your kill until you kill it.

"L2P" is pretty much your go-to argument isn't it? And your entitlement rant? It's weak if you think I'm acting entitled because I believe that people should get credit for killing their opponent rather than mindlessly acquiring a kill from placing Mage's Fury on someone. Kill stealing should not be in the game because it discouraging skill-based victory.

My solution would be to remove the 3 team system because it's a bad design.