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Suggested adjustments to morphs of Shadow Cloak.
BoxFoxx
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Suggested adjustments to morphs of Shadow Cloak.
Dark Cloak: Add a small initial burst heal also.
Shadowy Disguise: Increased duration, increased cost and/or cost increases upon usage (similar roll dodging)
EDIT: I have re-written the original post to be more clear on the main point.
Edited by BoxFoxx on May 20, 2019 4:00PM Dark Cloak: Add a small initial burst heal also.
Shadowy Disguise: Increased duration, increased cost and/or cost increases upon usage (similar roll dodging)
EDIT: I have re-written the original post to be more clear on the main point.
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Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Designed a DK to kill NB.... runs magelight .... when you have spiked armor, inhale, talons and fossilize...
L2P issue.38 -
zParallaxz✭✭✭✭✭Or remove the ability to suppress dots, but increase the duration and give minor protection on the base skill. Fair and balanced2
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ItsNebula✭✭✭✭✭You shoulda used Vol armor tbh..
but i fully agree.. i play a No Cloak Heavy Armor Stamblade and it works like a beauty.. i run Dark Cloak (the heal) instead of the invis version (mainly because i have self respect when playing a NB and i recognize that cloak is cheap and needs a nerf)
The damage is perfectly fine.. incap does need to lose the dmg bonus or the defile.. either or and its a fair game (or increase it to 125-150 ult) as incap gives WAY to much for how little it costs.
NBs that cry about "oh i need cloak to survive" are the same NBs that suck at other classes. I run my no cloak blade PERFECTLY FINE.. ive got 41k spell and physical resistances (with BS proc) and up to 4.2k wep dmg fully buffed and 1600 stam recov and i sustain just fine.
Cloak needs to last AT MAX 2 seconds, and if you use it again within 4 seconds its cost doubles (just like they did to streak) so they MUST be able to be seen for at least 2 seconds unless they wanna drain there magicka.
If me, and other good players (NBs in specific) can pull off a no cloak blade and do PERFECTLY fine on it, anyone else that puts the time and effort into it can as well. Yes its harder.. but if youre not trash at the game/class/PvP you can do it. Its just a L2P thing.
TLDR; No Cloak blade is better and MUCH stronger. Stats are 4k better than your average cloakblade as well o/1 -
Vietfox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You shoulda used Vol armor tbh..
but i fully agree.. i play a No Cloak Heavy Armor Stamblade and it works like a beauty.. i run Dark Cloak (the heal) instead of the invis version (mainly because i have self respect when playing a NB and i recognize that cloak is cheap and needs a nerf)
The damage is perfectly fine.. incap does need to lose the dmg bonus or the defile.. either or and its a fair game (or increase it to 125-150 ult) as incap gives WAY to much for how little it costs.
NBs that cry about "oh i need cloak to survive" are the same NBs that suck at other classes. I run my no cloak blade PERFECTLY FINE.. ive got 41k spell and physical resistances (with BS proc) and up to 4.2k wep dmg fully buffed and 1600 stam recov and i sustain just fine.
Cloak needs to last AT MAX 2 seconds, and if you use it again within 4 seconds its cost doubles (just like they did to streak) so they MUST be able to be seen for at least 2 seconds unless they wanna drain there magicka.
If me, and other good players (NBs in specific) can pull off a no cloak blade and do PERFECTLY fine on it, anyone else that puts the time and effort into it can as well. Yes its harder.. but if youre not trash at the game/class/PvP you can do it. Its just a L2P thing.
TLDR; No Cloak blade is better and MUCH stronger. Stats are 4k better than your average cloakblade as well o/
Just because you got your own made up rules doesn't mean others have to follow them. There are different playstyles and everyone is allowed to play how they like.
I got a no cloak stamblade on pc too, but that's my personal choice and i would never tell people how they should play.
If something needs to be nerfed is the heavy armor. Sets like ravager or seventh legion allowing the player to have the same damage as someone running light or medium armor is unbalanced.11 -
TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭In my opinion they don't really need to nerf the damage for NBs, as long as you can counter. I created a DK build specifically to counter NBs and what I've come to realise is that the problem is cloak. It's too cheap. I spend more resources (Radiant Magelight) trying to pull a NB out of cloak than being able to apply pressure on a NB. The fights go on and on until basically it comes down to sustain. NBs should not be able to sustain invisibility during a fight. Based on a NBs play style, if they can't make the kill off the get go, they should lose the fight. It's far too OP to be able to drop in and out of invisibility during combat.
My suggestion is to make Shadowy Disguise at least double the cost. You can make it last longer too if you like, that wouldn't be a problem and would allow PvE players to still find it useful... but any more than one or two times during a fight is far too OP.
... or it should work kind of similar to roll dodging, where it increases the cost if you use it too often.
...Radiant Magelight should also be cheaper.
You are right, they should have changed/nerfed cloak for stam NB instead of reducing their damage. The problem is that they can not simply nerf that skill, because it has been carrying casuals and role players that come every now and then to PvP for the last couple of years. There will be a real life riot if they every touch that broken overpowered DoT suppressing skill.
And even if they ever nerf cloak for stam NBs, it won't solve the problem... crouch/perma stealth in Cyrodiil is just another crutch that incentivises zerging and Xv1ing.0 -
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✭TLDR; No Cloak blade is better and MUCH stronger. Stats are 4k better than your average cloakblade as well o/
Has nothing to do with Cloak and everything to do with heavy + stam. Other builds that don't rely on this op combination (that works on any class btw) do need Cloak. At least for solo/smallscale open world PvP.7 -
BoxFoxx✭✭✭Designed a DK to kill NB.... runs magelight .... when you have spiked armor, inhale, talons and fossilize...
L2P issue.
The gank prevent from Radiant Magelight is preferred... I'm fully aware of the other skills... I use fossilize as well.
EDIT: THIS TOPIC IS NOT INTENDED TO BE ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC COUNTER SKILL, IT IS ABOUT SUSTAINING INVISIBILITY DURING COMBAT. I just had to make that clear since there seems to be some confusion. Thanks!
I spent a lot of time fine tuning and testing the counter build and it works very well. So please don't jump to conclusions that I am struggling against NBs with it, I am not. I'm only stating my findings after some time using it... my findings result in making a suggestion and its only a suggestion.Edited by BoxFoxx on May 14, 2019 5:32PM1 -
BoxFoxx✭✭✭Mass Hysteria is the second most OP skill for NBs (I hear it's getting nerfed though), mainly because you can't breakfree from it immediately and the maim works as a serious buff for NBs if you're fighting them 1v1.Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »IB4TL L2P
There are plenty of counters for stealth & invisibility. Use them pls.
I do and they work... but you're not considering kiting, distance and other factors.
Look, I may not be on the forums very often but I've been playing ESO since 2014... I am very well versed on every skill, class, race and most sets in the game. I have multiple builds of every class. I designed my counter NB build after playing versus many NB players and have chosen the skills very carefully. Take a moment and consider what I'm saying before making your judgement please.
I didn't even know how OP my own NB was until I decided to make a build specifically contrary to it. Don't get me wrong, I also have killed many NBs with this build... I'm not talking about all NB players though, I'm talking about the exploits that clever players can use for a really OP NB build. No one can deny this.zParallaxz wrote: »Or remove the ability to suppress dots, but increase the duration and give minor protection on the base skill. Fair and balanced
I agree with this... should still cost more though.You shoulda used Vol armor tbh..
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I chose hardened armor because the damage shield is necessary to negate damage during combat. Trust me on this. It's too easy to get bursted down otherwise... and as mentioned before the stun prevent with Radiant Magelight is very important, so it's the preferred choice....
NBs that cry about "oh i need cloak to survive" are the same NBs that suck at other classes. I run my no cloak blade PERFECTLY FINE.. ive got 41k spell and physical resistances (with BS proc) and up to 4.2k wep dmg fully buffed and 1600 stam recov and i sustain just fine.
Cloak needs to last AT MAX 2 seconds, and if you use it again within 4 seconds its cost doubles (just like they did to streak) so they MUST be able to be seen for at least 2 seconds unless they wanna drain there magicka.
If me, and other good players (NBs in specific) can pull off a no cloak blade and do PERFECTLY fine on it, anyone else that puts the time and effort into it can as well. Yes its harder.. but if youre not trash at the game/class/PvP you can do it. Its just a L2P thing.
TLDR; No Cloak blade is better and MUCH stronger. Stats are 4k better than your average cloakblade as well o/
Well said... although I don't think the duration of invisibility (max X secs) is the problem but the regularity of it. The duration doesn't really matter because you can pull a NB out of invisibility, but the ability to go back into invisibility shortly afterward is definitely an issue. In fact, as I mentioned, it would even be ok if they extended the duration along with the cost. It would probably even be necessary for PvE and certain play-styles, otherwise it could end up a useless skill... the key issue is the cost.
Bottomline, stealth is fine outside of combat (i.e. fleeing, scouting, ganking) but during combat it needs to be drastically LIMITED.
NBs that cry about "oh i need cloak to survive" are the same NBs that suck at other classes. I run my no cloak blade PERFECTLY FINE.. ive got 41k spell and physical resistances (with BS proc) and up to 4.2k wep dmg fully buffed and 1600 stam recov and i sustain just fine.
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If me, and other good players (NBs in specific) can pull off a no cloak blade and do PERFECTLY fine on it, anyone else that puts the time and effort into it can as well. Yes its harder.. but if youre not trash at the game/class/PvP you can do it. Its just a L2P thing.
TLDR; No Cloak blade is better and MUCH stronger. Stats are 4k better than your average cloakblade as well o/
... There are different playstyles and everyone is allowed to play how they like.
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...fair point as well in response to Nebula's comment.Edited by BoxFoxx on May 14, 2019 5:32PM1 -
likecats✭✭✭✭✭You don't need radiant magelight to counter nightblades. Especially as a DK, it is not required at all. The stun immunity you say is necessary is still a L2P issue, you do not need it even in light armor but its nice to have. Hardened armor is not required to not get bursted down either. You do not get bursted down in this meta, proc sets have been nerfed (excluding calurions), ganking has been nerf. I play in light armor on almost all my magtoons, haven't been bursted down in a long long time.
If radiant magelight was one of the only counters (along with flare and detect pots) then I would agree with your suggestion.
In current state of the game, there's at least 2-3 dozen abilities that break cloak while also being great abilities otherwise, some of them include Spin 2 Win, hurricane, volatile armor, jabs, permafrost, arrow spray, curse, etc etc.
You do not need to cater your build to counter cloak, almost every build will have 1 ability that counters cloak even if you did not slot it with the explicit intention of countering cloak.Edited by likecats on May 4, 2019 12:03PM4 -
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...how about when you don't know the NB is there? You run around Cyrodiil holding block? LMAO
You don't need radiant magelight to counter nightblades. Especially as a DK, it is not required at all. The stun immunity you say is necessary is still a L2P issue, you do not need it even in light armor but its nice to have. Hardened armor is not required to not get bursted down either. You do not get bursted down in this meta, proc sets have been nerfed (excluding calurions), ganking has been nerf. I play in light armor on almost all my magtoons, haven't been bursted down in a long long time.
If radiant magelight was one of the only counters (along with flare and detect pots) then I would agree with your suggestion.
In current state of the game, there's at least 2-3 dozen abilities that break cloak while also being great abilities otherwise, some of them include Spin 2 Win, hurricane, volatile armor, jabs, permafrost, arrow spray, curse, etc etc.
You do not need to cater your build to counter cloak, almost every build will have 1 ability that counters cloak even if you did not slot it with the explicit intention of countering cloak.
This topic isn't about which skill to use... and yes you can definitely be bursted down by good NBs. Besides even with all this talk about what skill to use, that's pointless. What ever you choose, it doesn't change the fact that invisibility is OP and should not be able to be sustained during combat. As mentioned before you like the other guy are not considering other factors such as kiting and distance. If you really do play PvP, you should know all of these factors.
Yes you don't need to cater your build, but I chose to as a test and trial to maximise efficiency against NBs (i.e. Radiant Magelight counters being ganked, definitely still a thing). After the fact, I'm stating my observations. Don't throw BS at me just for the sake of stating some alternate variation to prove a irrelevant point to the topic.
EDIT: Comments below were condensed into this post for easier reading.Edited by BoxFoxx on May 14, 2019 12:42PM0 -
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...how about when you don't know the NB is there? You run around Cyrodiil holding block?
If i'm already fighting a nightblade and cloaks i'll block to prevent the incoming stun.
If i'm not in a fight and tries to gank me i'll break free and roll dodge right away.1 -
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...how about when you don't know the NB is there? You run around Cyrodiil holding block?
If i'm already fighting a nightblade and cloaks i'll block to prevent the incoming stun.
If i'm not in a fight and tries to gank me i'll break free and roll dodge right away.
Yeah, yeah I get the during combat part... but a good NB doesn't TRY to gank... he ganks. Good luck with that man.0 -
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...how about when you don't know the NB is there? You run around Cyrodiil holding block?
If i'm already fighting a nightblade and cloaks i'll block to prevent the incoming stun.
If i'm not in a fight and tries to gank me i'll break free and roll dodge right away.
but a good NB doesn't TRY to gank... he ganks. Good luck with that man.
[Snip] happens.
I guess it's a personal choice, i rather have a loadout focused on offense rather than defense.
Personally i don't have many issues with being ganked, when i'm in Cyro i'm always paying attention and listening ready to press block, break free or whatever. I never sprint with my horse either unless i really need to.Edited by [Deleted User] on October 29, 2021 11:42PM0 -
BoxFoxx✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »
LOL... well I'm open for discussion man.
I just feel like the response those two guys made were very unthoughtful. Hence the comment... I've put time and thought into this and I've been around ESO for years. Yet, comments were dropped without really trying to understand the topic created. Only focusing on minor side points and not the main point of the thread. How is it ironic?
Why lose your patience with me, when it's my thread with an honest, educated and experienced opinion about validated issues that ZOS themselves are already considering addressing... unless you want to just throw in your two cents without giving some real thought as well?
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ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭Well if you are such a veteran player and have been around for so long, I'll defer to your appeal to authority.
There are dozens maybe hundreds of threads like this one that you so earnestly started. I do understand where you are coming from in a way. I come across perma blockers, shield stackers, dodge rollers, burst healers, 70k hp jokers, 3 or 4 man groups running towers on voice coms, ball groups galore, and I say to myself, man I really don't like that and I don't want to play that way. I can't beat most of them, try as a might.
But you know what? Those are perfectly valid ways to play the game. And almost all of those styles are way harder to counter and beat than a cloaking nb. A detect pot is the hardest direct counter in the game. I wish I had speical potions to beat all those other playstyles. ZOS get on that!
Edit for mistake on easy vs hard.Edited by ScruffyWhiskers on May 4, 2019 2:52PM7 -
BoxFoxx✭✭✭I like your style man
I agree with you. Playstyle is one of the things that makes ESO so great! I also know that there have been tons of threads on this.
The reason I decided to do another one is because I really wanted to reiterate it from the standpoint of someone who isn't just complaining about dying to NBs but a real honest evaluation from the best possible counters. If I found it to be balance after that, I wouldn't have even bothered with this post. I haven't been on the forums for ages.
However, after much testing, I have found that sustained invisibility in the midst of combat to be OP for the sole reason of losing your target. With all of the other kinds of styles mentioned, you still at least have a target... but to vanish into thin air at will at a sustained amount and causing loss of target is unquestionably overpowered. It breaks the combat system. Granted we have things to pull stealth, which is fine for average players... but the current skill set can be exploited to unfair levels by cleverly devious players. Granted maybe that's a playstyle... but it is due for a nerf.
I only bring it up again in this thread in hopes that ZOS will see that the cost for this ability is too low. Out of all fairness though, as I do enjoy playing as a NB myself, I do also feel that granting a longer stealth time is suitable for the cost increase. Although, the cost increase needs to be fairly substantial. The duration increase really doesn't matter and it would be suitable for it to also be rather generous to allow for the roguish and stealthy Nightblade to be enjoyable.Edited by BoxFoxx on May 14, 2019 12:11PM0 -
BoxFoxx✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »
Yeah, also the nerf to Mass Hysteria is going to be a big deal. Any good NB using that just mops the floor with anyone. Regardless I guess in the end, it seems like they're trying to balance it all out. Which is nice... I need to drop this thread now and actually go have fun and play the game! See you around man!
This guys NB build is kind of crazy... I'm actually ok with this as long as he is forced to be more careful by not being able to sustain stealth after the gank... pretty neat build though!
https://youtu.be/D5Re6DjD2J4
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✭✭✭✭✭If OP came up with a DK build to counter NBs and the problem they have with NBs is cloak then they have not figured out how to use it.
It really is that simple because I do not have the magicka issues OP is claiming when pulling NBs out of cloak. I guess it is possible OP's build is a bad build to start with.
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BoxFoxx✭✭✭If OP came up with a DK build to counter NBs and the problem they have with NBs is cloak then they have not figured out how to use it.
It really is that simple because I do not have the magicka issues OP is claiming when pulling NBs out of cloak. I guess it is possible OP's build is a bad build to start with.
Nah man, I'm not intending to state a problem with killing NBs with this build... I don't mean to reference it as a problem for my build, but in general. I'm stating an observation. I have killed plenty of average NBs with this build and pulled them out of stealth just fine... but I don't mean to talk about average NBs. I mean to address certain players that exploit stealth during combat. I'm stating that after testing combat with many good NBs with high sustain where we are in combat for a long period using magicka for both defensive and offensive play, applying pressure, cc, reflecting, shielding and pulling from stealth... after exchanges like that, I've observed that the sustain for invisibility is too great, especially when you factor in kiting and distance. Then if that NB player was going up against another player without a build like mine, without all the counters?! It woudn't even be a contest for them.
I believe once you enter toe to toe combat, invisibility should not be a sustainable option. You shouldn't have to pull a NB from stealth more than once or twice 1v1. I don't know maybe I wrote the original post too vaguely, I can't edit it.
I apologise if I'm not being clear on that.... I'm not complaining. I'm making a suggestion based on gameplay experience. Maybe that's why I seem like I have split personalities lol.
This post is not intended as a complaint, but as a suggestion all around that stealth should cost substantially more but also last longer... that's it!Edited by BoxFoxx on May 4, 2019 5:51PM0 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭If OP came up with a DK build to counter NBs and the problem they have with NBs is cloak then they have not figured out how to use it.
It really is that simple because I do not have the magicka issues OP is claiming when pulling NBs out of cloak. I guess it is possible OP's build is a bad build to start with.
Nah man, I'm not intending to state a problem with killing NBs with this build... I don't mean to reference it as a problem for my build, but in general. I'm stating an observation. I have killed plenty of average NBs with this build and pulled them out of stealth just fine... but I don't mean to talk about average NBs. I mean to address certain players that exploit stealth during combat. I'm stating that after testing combat with many good NBs with high sustain where we are in combat for a long period using magicka for both defensive and offensive play, applying pressure, cc, reflecting, shielding and pulling from stealth... after exchanges like that, I've observed that the sustain for invisibility is too great, especially when you factor in kiting and distance. Then if that NB player was going up against another player without a build like mine, without all the counters?! It woudn't even be a contest for them.
I believe once you enter toe to toe combat, invisibility should not be a sustainable option. You shouldn't have to pull a NB from stealth more than once or twice 1v1. I don't know maybe I wrote the original post too vaguely, I can't edit it.
I apologise if I'm not being clear on that.... I'm not complaining. I'm making a suggestion based on gameplay experience. Maybe that's why I seem like I have split personalities lol.
This post is not intended as a complaint, but as a suggestion all around that stealth should cost substantially more but also last longer... that's it!
Its a bad idea.
Cloak has more counters available that any other defense in game.
By simply countering it, youre already forcing them to waste resources on it, thus increasing their resource expense.
This is a post asking the devs to do that for you.Edited by Royalthought on May 4, 2019 6:05PM3 -
BoxFoxx✭✭✭This is all redundant like my man Whiskers stated.
They're probably going to increase the cost anyway so... I think they should also increase the duration along with that to be fair... but it seems like my post is being misunderstood, regardless we will see what happens.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not big on the doomsday claims of NBs who think they will be trash next patch but this is not needed. The biggest nerf they are getting in my mind is free mark while turning assassins will into a defensive and heal. To me, there is good reason to abandon the cloak morph and chose the heal in stead and become a brawler. That's what I am going to do and if there are others that go that route; not only will there directly be less gankers, but they will also be more players with mark for the fracture. Cloak is going to be on a down tick without nerfing it moreEdited by technohic on May 4, 2019 7:01PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If OP came up with a DK build to counter NBs and the problem they have with NBs is cloak then they have not figured out how to use it.
It really is that simple because I do not have the magicka issues OP is claiming when pulling NBs out of cloak. I guess it is possible OP's build is a bad build to start with.
Nah man, I'm not intending to state a problem with killing NBs with this build... I don't mean to reference it as a problem for my build, but in general. I'm stating an observation. I have killed plenty of average NBs with this build and pulled them out of stealth just fine... but I don't mean to talk about average NBs. I mean to address certain players that exploit stealth during combat. I'm stating that after testing combat with many good NBs with high sustain where we are in combat for a long period using magicka for both defensive and offensive play, applying pressure, cc, reflecting, shielding and pulling from stealth... after exchanges like that, I've observed that the sustain for invisibility is too great, especially when you factor in kiting and distance. Then if that NB player was going up against another player without a build like mine, without all the counters?! It woudn't even be a contest for them.
I believe once you enter toe to toe combat, invisibility should not be a sustainable option. You shouldn't have to pull a NB from stealth more than once or twice 1v1. I don't know maybe I wrote the original post too vaguely, I can't edit it.
I apologise if I'm not being clear on that.... I'm not complaining. I'm making a suggestion based on gameplay experience. Maybe that's why I seem like I have split personalities lol.
This post is not intended as a complaint, but as a suggestion all around that stealth should cost substantially more but also last longer... that's it!
So now this is not about NB cloak or the mage light skill. This is about having challenges with going up against skilled players.
That is a big part of PvP. When we face situations that are challenging we work to rise up and find a means to counter it.
It sounds like you have found such a challenge and need to work on refining your player skill instead of coming to the forums complaining that the skill needs to be nerfed just because the player you are fighting is skilled.
You clearly state you have no issues pulling lesser skilled NBs out of stealth. That distinctly shows the counters to the skill are working find. You go on to explain that you have the problem when you encounter a good player and you falsely suggest it is their sustain. If you are using the counters against them effectively their sustain is pretty irrelevant to their use of cloak as they cannot cloak if you are applying the debuff.
Your words. Not mine.
You say this is not intended to be a complaint, but it is. You are asking for a nerf because you are challenged when fighting against a skilled player that uses this skill. Key word is they are a skilled player. If we nerfed every ability when someone finds it challenging in an encounter with a skilled player this would become a silly game.
BTW, my characters are not specifically build to fight NBs as yours is and I really do not find the issue you have. Granted, I do expect to be outplayed sometimes which seems to be where you and I differ.
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✭Op- while I agree cloak can be extremely difficult to deal with, it’s not cloak by itself.
On stamblade it’s the defensive combo they do to get completely out of danger. Chasing them is futile if they get the combo off.
Bow bar: Shuffle (to remove slows and snares) > Vigor> Dodge roll (major expedition) > cloak.
It’s a complete reset. Not really anything you can do to counter that and while cloak makes the combo stupid strong- it’s not op otherwise. A good NB isn’t going to spam cloak while trying to kill you.
Also, ganks happen. 2h ult ganks are funny af. I send gg’s to every 2h ult gank cuz the death cap is hilarious. Don’t be so serious. Everyone gets ganked at some point. You didn’t get outplayed, so I don’t see how Pride can be affected.
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There are plenty of counters for stealth & invisibility. Use them pls.
I do and they work... but you're not considering kiting, distance and other factors.
Look, I may not be on the forums very often but I've been playing ESO since 2014... I am very well versed on every skill, class, race and most sets in the game. I have multiple builds of every class. I designed my counter NB build after playing versus many NB players and have chosen the skills very carefully. Take a moment and consider what I'm saying before making your judgement please.
You say you’re well versed in pvp and built an anti-NB spec? What kind of pvp?
I ask because NBs fill beginner BGs but are uncommon in in more experienced ones. Why would you build a spec around an uncommon class? It’s almost all sorcs, DKs and Wardens with the occasional NB or Templar.Edited by Iskiab on May 4, 2019 9:10PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1