2 Hander is now viable in PVE?

Smasherx74

https://youtu.be/JjrTLMysuOA

look, 2 hands. Can we finally stop using the duel wield / bow meta?

SoLooney

2h bow does solid damage but it's not gonna out parse Dw bow.

That youtuber just shows an option for those who want to use a 2h build, esp for stam classes that lack an execute aka stam sorc, stam dk, and stam warden, stamplar. It's honestly really sad that stamblade is the only stam class with a class execute

So if you're talking about the most dmg, then no, you wouldn't use a 2h build

Casdha

I don't play a stamDK 2h because it is the best. I play one because I Have Fun with it.

Smasherx74

SoLooney wrote: »

2h bow does solid damage but it's not gonna out parse Dw bow.

That youtuber just shows an option for those who want to use a 2h build, esp for stam classes that lack an execute aka stam sorc, stam dk, and stam warden, stamplar. It's honestly really sad that stamblade is the only stam class with a class execute

So if you're talking about the most dmg, then no, you wouldn't use a 2h build

Yeah I'm staying Stamplar duelwield with my 45k dps. I was just posting this for anyone who may want to change it up. Maybe ZOS will buff stams who knows

Runefang

It’s been viable for ages, just like most semi-sane builds. It’s just not BiS.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Runefang wrote: »

It’s been viable for ages, just like most semi-sane builds. It’s just not BiS.

Agreed, Viable, not optimal.

CipherNine

Runefang wrote: »

It’s been viable for ages, just like most semi-sane builds. It’s just not BiS.

The problem is the ESO community has an extreme absurd obsession with the meta.
It's basically this "NO! The game can only be played this way! This is the only way to complete the content!"

It's ridiculous. If you are not in a group that is going for the best score possible then enforcing meta on people is just beyond stupidity. You are gonna kill a boss 10 secs faster. Oh big freaking deal. Not like it matters if your not a leader-board guild.

Asmael

After trying several different setups - including a 2h / bow build with Leviathan / Relequen, Master 2H and VMA bow on PTS, you can definitely try it out in raid. The new Carve is finally a good ability and combined with the master 2h makes for some juicy AoE capabilities (althought you do lose quite a bit of damage if you pick the Brawler morph for single target fights).

The fact that DW has daggers does weight quite a bit in this however, since 10% critical chance beats the 6% damage increase in pretty much all PvE scenarios.

bulcke10

SoLooney wrote: »

2h bow does solid damage but it's not gonna out parse Dw bow.

That youtuber just shows an option for those who want to use a 2h build, esp for stam classes that lack an execute aka stam sorc, stam dk, and stam warden, stamplar. It's honestly really sad that stamblade is the only stam class with a class execute

So if you're talking about the most dmg, then no, you wouldn't use a 2h build

The dmg difference is 400 in dps but 2h have much better sustain... And a finisher

Runefang

bulcke10 wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

2h bow does solid damage but it's not gonna out parse Dw bow.

That youtuber just shows an option for those who want to use a 2h build, esp for stam classes that lack an execute aka stam sorc, stam dk, and stam warden, stamplar. It's honestly really sad that stamblade is the only stam class with a class execute

So if you're talking about the most dmg, then no, you wouldn't use a 2h build

The dmg difference is 400 in dps but 2h have much better sustain... And a finisher

A 2H is also way more fun in my opinion. Swinging tiny daggers vs a giant axe or sword, there is no comparison.

Reevster

Runefang wrote: »

bulcke10 wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

2h bow does solid damage but it's not gonna out parse Dw bow.

That youtuber just shows an option for those who want to use a 2h build, esp for stam classes that lack an execute aka stam sorc, stam dk, and stam warden, stamplar. It's honestly really sad that stamblade is the only stam class with a class execute

So if you're talking about the most dmg, then no, you wouldn't use a 2h build

The dmg difference is 400 in dps but 2h have much better sustain... And a finisher

A 2H is also way more fun in my opinion. Swinging tiny daggers vs a giant axe or sword, there is no comparison.

Definitely.

As far as damage goes, a 2 hander should always out perform 2 small dagger/swords etc, But in ESO its backwards...IMO.

Dual wielding is for chicken wrist girly men.

I mean look at this guy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRwdWtuYN3w

LeagueTroll

Ofc it’s viable. Just most ppl suck.

max_only

2h should be the tank second bar weapon, not a flipping staff smh.

SeaGtGruff

I also use Two-Handed because it's more fun for me. There's something satisfying about standing your ground with half a dozen or more enemies surrounding you, and whacking away at them one by one until you're the only one left standing.

It's hard for me to imagine how anyone could feel even the slightest bit challenged if all they have to do is stand well back from the enemies and blast them with a wand, or lay down a Big Red Circle that disintegrates an entire crowd of enemies within a second or two.

Really? Why are you even bothering to play the game if you're just going to speed-rush through it as quickly as possible so you can grab your loot and hope it includes a bunch of really nice stuff that you just want to sell through the guild traders for astronomical prices? I mean, seriously, just go get a bunch of bots to play the game and farm and grind for you so you don't even have to be bothered with it.

Oh, well, to each his or her own.

SirAndy

Runefang wrote: »

It’s been viable for ages, just like most semi-sane builds. It’s just not BiS.

^^^ ^^^

I don't think the OP understands the meaning of "viable" ...

StormeReigns

Not including, 2H has much better combat animation, looks more fluid and realistic, all versions, ace, mace and swords have amazingly detailed designs. Even the simple basics ones look great.

DW... ugh, sure maybe BiS, but is it really? The animation looks like my 5year old out in the back yard after watching the old 70s spiderman show while swatting at a fly if it was animated in the 1800s using rocks. All DW items, all... but Cadwell's "Dagger" just looks horrid and plain. Probably why shields look so much better as well, to distract from how terrible 1handed weapons look.

Sure, DW may put out more dps, but, is it worth looking like a broken manichean ballerina with a broom shoved in your "storage bag"?

Tasear

CipherNine wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

It’s been viable for ages, just like most semi-sane builds. It’s just not BiS.

The problem is the ESO community has an extreme absurd obsession with the meta.
It's basically this "NO! The game can only be played this way! This is the only way to complete the content!"

It's ridiculous. If you are not in a group that is going for the best score possible then enforcing meta on people is just beyond stupidity. You are gonna kill a boss 10 secs faster. Oh big freaking deal. Not like it matters if your not a leader-board guild.

What works for one might not for another too.

Integral1900

I always got better results with two handed over dual wield, it just fits better with how I like to play, also the sustain on two handed is noticeably superior

starkerealm

Two handers have a distinct animation timing that can be pretty tricky for some players to get the hang of.

SeaGtGruff

starkerealm wrote: »

Two handers have a distinct animation timing that can be pretty tricky for some players to get the hang of.

Oh, hell yes! And that timing can get all messed up if there's any lag for any reason. I normally keep my button held down for heavy attacks, but press 1 for my Whack-A-MOB 2H Active Skill (sorry, I can't remember it's name and can't look it up right now). If I get the timing right, my heavy attack restores my Stamina as my 2H Active Skill depletes it, such that I can keep whacking away indefinitely. But if I run into lag, my heavy attacks seem to turn into light attacks and my Stamina depletes.

Pennylong

I like two handed weapons.

Something that makes me laugh in a Tom and Jerry kinda way about creeping up behind someone and hitting them with a giant shovel. We need an animation with their face imprinted on the flat surface

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfGkUlotw9w&feature=youtu.be

zaria

CipherNine wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

It’s been viable for ages, just like most semi-sane builds. It’s just not BiS.

The problem is the ESO community has an extreme absurd obsession with the meta.
It's basically this "NO! The game can only be played this way! This is the only way to complete the content!"

It's ridiculous. If you are not in a group that is going for the best score possible then enforcing meta on people is just beyond stupidity. You are gonna kill a boss 10 secs faster. Oh big freaking deal. Not like it matters if your not a leader-board guild.

More that most people follow build guides without understanding that lays behind, this includes me.

One problem with off meta builds is that they often get mixed up with noob builds ala snipe or hard frag spammers.
In an dungeon this will be obvious on first trash.

StormeReigns

Being meta, doesn't mean everything is coming up Milhouse.

Milhouse
Empties
Trash
Alone

Milhouse dual-wields...

hedna123b14_ESO

Smasherx74 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/JjrTLMysuOA

look, 2 hands. Can we finally stop using the duel wield / bow meta?

When I tested 2h on a stam sorc I got 81k...my dw sorc got 87k...they are still 5k apart...

starkerealm

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/JjrTLMysuOA

look, 2 hands. Can we finally stop using the duel wield / bow meta?

When I tested 2h on a stam sorc I got 81k...my dw sorc got 87k...they are still 5k apart...

[edited to remove baiting commentary]

So far as it goes, 2h DPS is viable. There are reasons to run it. In some cases you'll outperform Dual Wield specs, but that has more to do with the individual player's aptitude and familiarity with the weapons, rather than something intrinsic to crunching the numbers.

Robo_Hobo

I've been using 2h builds for PvE DPS for years now, I just enjoy it more than dual wielding. Each patch in the past year or so has been narrowing the gap between 2h and dual wielding which is nice. Now with the Elsweyr patch buffing Carve, maybe it'll get even closer.

But really, unless you're in the high end of DPS already, you won't notice much a difference at all between 2h and Dual Wield right now. I'm around 30k DPS, so whether I dual wield or 2h doesn't even change the dps outcome for me by 1k.

Harrdarrzarr

If ZOS wants to balance dual-wield and two-hander builds for pve, they need to introduce a two-handed weapon that gives crit just like daggers do. Untill then, daggers will be stronger and will be preferred in groups that go for completion/scores. For any other type of run, it should be okay to bring two-handers

witchdoctor

starkerealm wrote: »

[... if he really knew what he was doing. This is why you'll see some downright goofy claims from him.

Brass ones. Cool.

tinythinker

Yeah I like 2-hander more as well for some characters. Especially my biggest (Nord) smallest (Bosmer). Don't really dislike any of the weapons, just the idea of being limited to only a few.

Would be fun to tank with a 2H as well. But I'm not sure it would work any better that the attempt to make frost staff a tanking weapon. Which would then get into blah, blah, blah...

mairwen85

Viable! = optimal.

There are many viable builds, but the meta is the most optimal. You really can be off meta and viable, it's a misconception to think otherwise... But viability doesn't outweigh optimised. We have that choice as players, which is and has always been available by various means.

Good enough vs best.

srfrogg23

Smasherx74 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/JjrTLMysuOA

look, 2 hands. Can we finally stop using the duel wield / bow meta?

If you stop using the META, Zos will delete your account. It's true, I heard about it on the internet.