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Jarros

for reasons

Frudu

Imo cloak and incap should be adjusted before making any hard-hitting changes to nbs in general. For stamblades in Pvp its cloak that makes them pull off their stuff.
It's extremely easy to play stamblade with cloak and incap.
Yes cloak is an expensive skill and people say "I can just cloak 4 times in a row." I can also just spam cloak 4 times in a row. But combined with dodging I can cloak 16 times without even scratching my stamina at all.
Cloak + dodging makes the hit window soo small and sustain soo easy and allows nbs to put all stuff into damage and dont have to care about healing and defense. This makes them pull of their easy playstyles and makes them op. If cloak would not be a hardcounter to rely on nearly everything nbs would be way less strong.
Without cloak they can't sustain without having to sacrifice dmg. All they could do is get a lucky incap off. And without incap they cant perform that serious bursts.
Incap+ and both cloaks should be adjusted first before making other changes.
But the way the balance is going atm is more like forcing everyone to play cloakdodging runaway nb and everything else becomes useless to make one broken playstyle now balacned.

MartiniDaniels

Frudu wrote: »

Imo cloak and incap should be adjusted before making any hard-hitting changes to nbs in general. For stamblades in Pvp its cloak that makes them pull off their stuff.
It's extremely easy to play stamblade with cloak and incap.
Yes cloak is an expensive skill and people say "I can just cloak 4 times in a row." I can also just spam cloak 4 times in a row. But combined with dodging I can cloak 16 times without even scratching my stamina at all.
Cloak + dodging makes the hit window soo small and sustain soo easy and allows nbs to put all stuff into damage and dont have to care about healing and defense. This makes them pull of their easy playstyles and makes them op. If cloak would not be a hardcounter to rely on nearly everything nbs would be way less strong.
Without cloak they can't sustain without having to sacrifice dmg. All they could do is get a lucky incap off. And without incap they cant perform that serious bursts.
Incap+ and both cloaks should be adjusted first before making other changes.
But the way the balance is going atm is more like forcing everyone to play cloakdodging runaway nb and everything else becomes useless to make one broken playstyle now balacned.

Completely agree and this is exactly what I saw in PTS.

Jeezye

Frudu wrote: »

Imo cloak and incap should be adjusted before making any hard-hitting changes to nbs in general. For stamblades in Pvp its cloak that makes them pull off their stuff.
It's extremely easy to play stamblade with cloak and incap.
Yes cloak is an expensive skill and people say "I can just cloak 4 times in a row." I can also just spam cloak 4 times in a row. But combined with dodging I can cloak 16 times without even scratching my stamina at all.
Cloak + dodging makes the hit window soo small and sustain soo easy and allows nbs to put all stuff into damage and dont have to care about healing and defense. This makes them pull of their easy playstyles and makes them op. If cloak would not be a hardcounter to rely on nearly everything nbs would be way less strong.
Without cloak they can't sustain without having to sacrifice dmg. All they could do is get a lucky incap off. And without incap they cant perform that serious bursts.
Incap+ and both cloaks should be adjusted first before making other changes.
But the way the balance is going atm is more like forcing everyone to play cloakdodging runaway nb and everything else becomes useless to make one broken playstyle now balacned.

I havent played too much of the rolly polly stamblade, mostly heavy armor.

What if cloak surpressed your regeneration while in stealth? Would that solve the infinite sustain problem?

TheRealSniker

Frudu wrote: »

Imo cloak and incap should be adjusted before making any hard-hitting changes to nbs in general. For stamblades in Pvp its cloak that makes them pull off their stuff.
It's extremely easy to play stamblade with cloak and incap.
Yes cloak is an expensive skill and people say "I can just cloak 4 times in a row." I can also just spam cloak 4 times in a row. But combined with dodging I can cloak 16 times without even scratching my stamina at all.
Cloak + dodging makes the hit window soo small and sustain soo easy and allows nbs to put all stuff into damage and dont have to care about healing and defense. This makes them pull of their easy playstyles and makes them op. If cloak would not be a hardcounter to rely on nearly everything nbs would be way less strong.
Without cloak they can't sustain without having to sacrifice dmg. All they could do is get a lucky incap off. And without incap they cant perform that serious bursts.
Incap+ and both cloaks should be adjusted first before making other changes.
But the way the balance is going atm is more like forcing everyone to play cloakdodging runaway nb and everything else becomes useless to make one broken playstyle now balacned.

Stamblade received big nerfs towards it burst damage and people are already complaining again about its PTS state
Absolutely poetic, Frudu never fails to disappoint me

Alchimiste1

I think frudu was talking about on live. As in they should change the way cloaks works or something instead of taking about minor berserk or major fracture from surprise attack. Hes not wrong, between cloaks and roll dodges most classes will struggle to sustain against them. You can work around that of course if you are patient and try to anticipate their burst and go for a counter.

Iskiab

I’d actually love it if they got rid of that passive, it’s pretty dumb and it’s like not having a passive.

They’re going to adjust abilities based on their perception of balance. If that passive wasn’t there I bet they would just add 2 seconds onto the duration of all shadow abilities.

In reality you’re spending skill points to unlock passives to make shadow abilities not suck.

killingspreeb16_ESO

TheRealSniker wrote: »

Frudu wrote: »

Imo cloak and incap should be adjusted before making any hard-hitting changes to nbs in general. For stamblades in Pvp its cloak that makes them pull off their stuff.
It's extremely easy to play stamblade with cloak and incap.
Yes cloak is an expensive skill and people say "I can just cloak 4 times in a row." I can also just spam cloak 4 times in a row. But combined with dodging I can cloak 16 times without even scratching my stamina at all.
Cloak + dodging makes the hit window soo small and sustain soo easy and allows nbs to put all stuff into damage and dont have to care about healing and defense. This makes them pull of their easy playstyles and makes them op. If cloak would not be a hardcounter to rely on nearly everything nbs would be way less strong.
Without cloak they can't sustain without having to sacrifice dmg. All they could do is get a lucky incap off. And without incap they cant perform that serious bursts.
Incap+ and both cloaks should be adjusted first before making other changes.
But the way the balance is going atm is more like forcing everyone to play cloakdodging runaway nb and everything else becomes useless to make one broken playstyle now balacned.

Stamblade received big nerfs towards it burst damage and people are already complaining again about its PTS state
Absolutely poetic, Frudu never fails to disappoint me

I want too see him cloak 16 time without using his stamina pool in a battleground especially a high mmr one.

Namarkas

Haven't payed much attention to it lately. I was once told that cloak resets dodge fatigue, which is the reason cloak-and-rollblade is that strong. Was I misinformed? if not, and if this is still the case, might be worth looking into it.

Jhalin

Namarkas wrote: »

Haven't payed much attention to it lately. I was once told that cloak resets dodge fatigue, which is the reason cloak-and-rollblade is that strong. Was I misinformed? if not, and if this is still the case, might be worth looking into it.

You were misinformed, if you keep it up the full duration of the fatigue debuff you could play it up as though that were the case, but with all the AoE CCs in this meta, that ain’t happening