Snare and immobilize immunity abilities

Olupajmibanan

As of patch 5.0.1 Nightblade got Double Take reworked into ability that grants 4 seconds of snare and immobilize immunity. So, Forward Momentum got a 4 second immunity, Race Against Time got a 4 second immunity, Double Take got a 4 second immunity, but Reflective Plate got only 2 seconds of the very same immunity.

Can somebody explain to me? Where is the infamous consistency that ZoS is seeking?

Rex-Umbra

Would trade double take for reflective plate any day.

ftballjj20

They gave that to nb plus a fast grim focus? to maybe slow down the feed about grim focus. The fact is they didnt really do anything class balancing wise. Kind of a wasted patch.

Necro reanimate ult is going to broken af in pvp

1 Nb needs a change with grim focus (doesnt need to be revert back to its og state but its garbage right now) still not sure about that minor mangle on incap

2 Stamsorcs needs a little love. Not much just a little something

3 Stamplar....

Those are the three biggest thing talked about on the forums and nothing was done for them. But maybe im being to bitchy. We still have a few more weeks of pts...

Gilvoth

Double Take
this will devastate our ability to escape
this cant be allowed to happen or we will have no ability to get out of immediate Danger = we will be dead, no escape while in sneak.

likecats

Completely support reflective plate getting 4s immunity.

Rikumaru

They are probably focusing on NB's since particularly mag nb needs some serious changes. That being said 4s of snare immunity on wings would be really nice because screw snares / roots.

Olupajmibanan

likecats wrote: »

Completely support reflective plate getting 4s immunity.

Thanks.

Players need to understand that this not a thread asking for buffs or nerfs. It's only a request for consistency. All other abilities of this kind have 4 seconds while Reflective Plate is the ONLY ONE that have 2 seconds.

Tommy_The_Gun

Will it also work as a existing snare removal ? Or only immunity to new snares ?

Vapirko

So let me get this straight. Now NBs have a unique 4 second snare immunity and yet Shuffle still doesn’t get 4 seconds? Okayyy... @ZOS_BrianWheeler what’s up with this?

likecats

Vapirko wrote: »

So let me get this straight. Now NBs have a unique 4 second snare immunity and yet Shuffle still doesn’t get 4 seconds? Okayyy... @ZOS_BrianWheeler what’s up with this?

Race against time is a thing now that everyone can use, and is very potent as well.
Complaining nightblades getting snare immunity isn't particularly effective anymore.

Everything aside, I'm all for shuffle getting 4s as well.

Savos_Saren

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Would trade double take for reflective plate any day.

That's because a NB can combine Reflective Plate with Cloak. DK's can't cloak away after casting Reflective Plate.

frostz417

Gilvoth wrote: »

Double Take
this will devastate our ability to escape
this cant be allowed to happen or we will have no ability to get out of immediate Danger = we will be dead, no escape while in sneak.

Are you blind? You literally get a snare and immobilize removal. That makes it easier to escape

Vapirko

likecats wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

So let me get this straight. Now NBs have a unique 4 second snare immunity and yet Shuffle still doesn’t get 4 seconds? Okayyy... @ZOS_BrianWheeler what’s up with this?

Race against time is a thing now that everyone can use, and is very potent as well.
Complaining nightblades getting snare immunity isn't particularly effective anymore.

Everything aside, I'm all for shuffle getting 4s as well.

How is that a complaint? I merely saying that they’ve now added two other forms of snare immunity both normalized with FM at 4 seconds and yet shuffle can only be 3.5 max but realistically only 2.5 since seven medium just isn’t viable and probably never will be. Yes RAT is a great skill, but it won’t be viable on medium builds both due to limited magicka pools but more importantly the loss of major evasion. Idk about others but on my Stamplar I don’t have the bar space to run, say, blade cloak and RAT.

Spizzie

It's nonsensical. There is absolutely no reason that Protective Plate shouldn't have the same normalized 4 second immunity that the other powers have, and it could be argued that class abilities should have more immunity because they aren't available to everyone. I have no idea how ZoS could possible look at RaT and Protective Plate and determine "yes, these 2 abilities are equal".

D0PAMINE

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

likecats wrote: »

Completely support reflective plate getting 4s immunity.

Thanks.

Players need to understand that this not a thread asking for buffs or nerfs. It's only a request for consistency. All other abilities of this kind have 4 seconds while Reflective Plate is the ONLY ONE that have 2 seconds.

And it doesn't even reflect anymore

Jeezye

Actually, by applying all the same rules to abilities, every snare remove in the game should receive 4 second duration. This doesn't only include reflective plate, but poor shuffle as well.

Heck, I'd go as far as saying shuffle should also increase the 4 second window per piece of med armor worn so there's actually identity to the armor line.

Arcanasx

Don't you guys know that there are "rule breakers" that allow some exceptions to the rule? Reflective plate is just one of those exceptions.

On a more serious note, it does feel as if reflective plate has been forgotten about and left behind, and the duration should be "corrected" to follow the same consistency of other abilities. Especially now since its reflect is going to be removed which also means projectile CC's are going to go through it.

Brrrofski

Yeh, so can we make shuffle get more than it does please??

So magica users and heavy users get better snare immunity than medium - what's going on? Like really, who's idea was this? I know medium can run magica skills but you already have class stuff that need magica (frag shield, cloak, streak etc). Can't really run Forward Momentum in medium as you need the heal from rally.

Make shuffle work like annulment - 2 seconds base then 0.4 seconds more per piece of medium. So a 5-1-1 setup will get 4 seconds. Reduce the major evasion buff time if you really want to compensate.

Spizzie

Brrrofski wrote: »

Yeh, so can we make shuffle get more than it does please??

So magica users and heavy users get better snare immunity than medium - what's going on? Like really, who's idea was this? I know medium can run magica skills but you already have class stuff that need magica (frag shield, cloak, streak etc). Can't really run Forward Momentum in medium as you need the heal from rally.

Make shuffle work like annulment - 2 seconds base then 0.4 seconds more per piece of medium. So a 5-1-1 setup will get 4 seconds. Reduce the major evasion buff time if you really want to compensate.

Or just make shuffle give 2 at base and 5 at fully leveled, unrelated to the amount of armor worn; let medium armor have it's mobility, that's literally the point of the armor set.

Both Shuffle and Protective Plate deserve to have their snare immunity buffed to at least make them somewhat closer in balance to tools like RaT or Forward Momentum.

Ragnaroek93

Funny how you did need to run suboptimal stuff (med armor and bow) to get a snare removal and major exp and now every super cheese tank build or petsorc can get the same by just slotting RaT. Yeah, this is balance.

Olupajmibanan

Hope that we will see in today's patch notes that Reflective Plate snare/immo immunity has been increased to 4 seconds and Shuffle immunity duration has been increased as well.

ZoS present themselves as consistency seekers, so let's see if they are not just hypocrites.

Ragnarock41

likecats wrote: »

Completely support reflective plate getting 4s immunity.

Lets not forget shuffle.

Ragnarock41

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Funny how you did need to run suboptimal stuff (med armor and bow) to get a snare removal and major exp and now every super cheese tank build or petsorc can get the same by just slotting RaT. Yeah, this is balance.

The whole point of medium armor was supposed to be mobility and snare immunity, now thats completely ruined though.

Raghul

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Funny how you did need to run suboptimal stuff (med armor and bow) to get a snare removal and major exp and now every super cheese tank build or petsorc can get the same by just slotting RaT. Yeah, this is balance.

adding 4 sec major expedition and 4 sec snare immunity to shuffle would fix that

Aedaryl

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Funny how you did need to run suboptimal stuff (med armor and bow) to get a snare removal and major exp and now every super cheese tank build or petsorc can get the same by just slotting RaT. Yeah, this is balance.

Pet sorc doesn't t have the bar space to slot it.

You know it.

Izaki

Gilvoth wrote: »

Double Take
this will devastate our ability to escape
this cant be allowed to happen or we will have no ability to get out of immediate Danger = we will be dead, no escape while in sneak.

Wot?

BaylorCorvette

Vapirko wrote: »

So let me get this straight. Now NBs have a unique 4 second snare immunity and yet Shuffle still doesn’t get 4 seconds? Okayyy... @ZOS_BrianWheeler what’s up with this?

Vapirko wrote: »

So let me get this straight. Now NBs have a unique 4 second snare immunity and yet Shuffle still doesn’t get 4 seconds? Okayyy... @ZOS_BrianWheeler what’s up with this?

Race Against Time is so strong, I don't see why a PvP build wouldn't use it. I'm probably going to drop Streak on my StamSorc for it. Which is a shame since that is one of the few remaining Sorc abilities on my ability bar..

Raghul

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

So let me get this straight. Now NBs have a unique 4 second snare immunity and yet Shuffle still doesn’t get 4 seconds? Okayyy... @ZOS_BrianWheeler what’s up with this?

Vapirko wrote: »

So let me get this straight. Now NBs have a unique 4 second snare immunity and yet Shuffle still doesn’t get 4 seconds? Okayyy... @ZOS_BrianWheeler what’s up with this?

Race Against Time is so strong, I don't see why a PvP build wouldn't use it. I'm probably going to drop Streak on my StamSorc for it. Which is a shame since that is one of the few remaining Sorc abilities on my ability bar..

they should add snare immunity on streak to then ^^