Please explain what I should expect in Cyrodiil.

Davor

I am finally in cyrodiil. After what 5 years of playing I finally did it. I never knew I had to join a campaign. Oh well, better late than never eh? So what should I expect? I haven't travelled through the nodes yet so I walked all the way to do my scout quest. Oh my Cyrodiil is freaking huge. I swore I was in Skyrim/Oblivion/Morrowind when you sneak past their barrier. You know land just keeps coming but nothing really there. In Cyrodill's case I saw trees and grass, but shocked at the lack of flowers, and mining to be done and picked. Really barren.

Finally got to see an enemy and a wolf. I don't even reconize the landscape. At least Morrowind felt like Morrowind and Gold Coast feels like that part in Oblivion. So is Cyrodill new? Coming in from Aldmeri Dominion side so south going north, I didn't feel like it was in Oblivion. Is it the same and it's me, or is it really different?

Also since this is new to me and I don't really know what I am doing what should I expect? I can't remember the name, but its a 7 day campaign with no CPs allowed to be used. So what should I be doing?

I tried to take something, but dang those AI defenders are really tough. I take it they are not suppose to be taken on alone.

Also how do you take over a farm or mine? I am at a loss what to do and Google didn't help me out at all, giving me links on other stuff than I am looking for. Please help me understand and know what to expect when doing campaigns and when in Cyrodill.

Sylvermynx

Well.... I don't actually know the answer to any of your questions - except the "what to expect" one.

Expect to die. A lot. Try not to take it personally. Learn from the death recap screen. Don't take it personally. Don't second-guess yourself. Ask people on your own alliance what you can do to get better.

Take it slow if you can. There's a lot of stuff landing on you in pvp. Don't blindly react - but don't spend too much time thinking or you'll be dead (again). Be sure you have the logical accoutrements: the right gear (or as close as you can manage), the right food, the right buffs.

And now that I've probably made it obvious I don't pvp.... good luck, and I really hope you do well!

Vietfox

The campaign you are talking about is Kyne.
Resources can be taken alone, just require some good damage or tactics if you lack of that. You can either set a ballista on top of the tower and shoot them or take out the ones around the tower first (inside) and then the ones at the flag (mages first).
Once in Cyro just type in the zone chat "lfg" and learn from them.
Don't grab other's sieges, don't follow players who run away from you, run impen and well fitted, have at least one CC skill...
There are so many more tips to give, but it's better if you just learn by yourself.
Btw, expect death and tbagging.

dem0n1k

Taking a resource by yourself ... approach from behind the tower, hit a heal over time or shield or missile mitigation, enter the tower & drag in the guards & mender. Get to a place in the bottom of the tower where the guards on the flag can't hit you with there missiles.

Kill the guards & mender that are in the tower with you.. don't pull them too far or they will reset. Go up to second floor & kill the mage guard.

Go back downstairs, head out & kill both menders on the flag.. if you are getting low on health / resources, head back into the tower to recover. If not kill the guards on the flag & then stand there till the flag flips.

Welcome to Cyrodiil fellow PVPr!

TheValar85

Lag, frame drops, exploiters, cheaters, unkillable builds, zergs, stress, basicly thats all its unhealthy

shimm

Are you pc or console? Much much easier to get in a group on console... folks are pickier about picking folks up on pc in my experience. When you get in a group, follow and listen to the person with the crown... that’s it. You’ll learn most of what you need to know in 2-3 hours. Or join a pvp guild.

Vietfox

TheValar85 wrote: »

exploiters, cheaters

Now you are exaggerating.

TheValar85

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

exploiters, cheaters

Now you are exaggerating.

im telling the turth sorry sir

Vietfox

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

exploiters, cheaters

Now you are exaggerating.

im telling the turth sorry sir

Tell me, what cheats have you seen?
Edit: and how often?

FleetwoodSmack

Welcome to Cyrodiil!

So a few things to expect/keep in mind;

• People run large groups of people (zergs) and they can generally cause some laggy situations. Generally these happen around the objectives (Keeps, outposts, resources like the farms/mines/lumbermills, as well as the towns like Bruma).
• Impenetrable trait will definitely knock of a lot of the damage that's dealt.
• Keep an eye on zone chats for important call outs when one of those objectives are under assault.
• Mount train your speed as early as you can, followed by the stamina training. You'll be riding for a while.

For capturing resources like the mines, farms, lumbermills, and towns;

1. Kill all the NPCs surrounding the flag (along with the two in front of the tower and the one on the tower) since combat will prevent flags from being taken.
2. Keep Detection pots with Immovability in your arsenal for the random ganker.
3. Wait until it's fully your alliances color and then you can ride off. You'll still get the capture reward (Alliance Points) for taking it.

For capturing Keeps and Outposts, you'll need a few things;

• Make sure zone and yell chats are on and enabled as there's a lot of important callouts that are made.
• There's a sieging mechanic where you have to take down walls or 'front doors' (FD for short). I'll explain some of the widely used siege later on.
• Stay with coordinated groups during the taking of it. Siege if you can (and if there's space). Quickslot siege weapons early before you engage in combat as you can't switch this during.
• 'Look both ways' to ensure you or your group don't get flanked and stay on your toes.

For defending Keeps, Outposts, Resources, and Towns;

• Be sure to call out in zone if there's a large group at any of these, preferably before they have a chance to lay down siege weapons.
• Try to give a guestimate of how many there could be.
• If it's one person overtaking a resource or town, they're probably capturing for the quest objective in which case you can just 'flip' it when they leave.
• If all three resources (farms, mines, lumbermills) around keeps are taken, it's blocked from the transit line and you can't travel to that keep unless you have a Keep Recall stone.

Siege weapons are just a single mouse click once you drop them down from your quickslot (like potions). You have a few choices here;

• Meatbag catapults; Decreases healing recieved.
• Stone Catapults; Does more damage to buildings and milegates.
• Ballistas (also does damage to structures)
• Coldfire Ballistas/catapults do a number on player groups.
• Oils are good for keep/outpost defense (you 'dump' them on players while you're above them, usually on or near gratings of some kind).
• Battering Ram; Five people can bring down the front doors, but are at risk to Oils. Tanks and Healers are good in coordination with these.

Some other things to keep in mind;

• Forward camps (FC) are used as a stationary revive when a keep or outpost is under assault.
• Keep Recall stones can get you to keeps faster to defend if it's not flagged (under assault, if it's resources are fully taken you can still port to them). You have to be at a distance away from an objective however.
• Crossing sword icons and their size can resemble small, medium, or large fights.
• Keep a healthy amount of soul gems on you so you can revive people around you if you can't get a Forward Camp down.
• If you want to find a group, casually ask--just keep track of the map before you ask and show up to a keep or outpost that's seeing some 'action'.
• Invest in some of the PvP skills (Vigor, Caltrops, Detonation, Purge, etc).
• Learn to counter cloak with Radiant Magelight, Stealth Detection potions, as well as using a lot of AoE. Despite what some people might think, learning to counter this early on will prevent a lot of hassle in the future.
• Don't chase sorcerers who streak away more than twice. That generally leads to death.
• If you see something, say something. Especially if it's a large group heading in a certain direction, say that in zone. If it's a ganker, post that to yell unless you're the only one at the keep/resource. In which case if you can't handle them on your own, use zone to call for help.
• Deep water is bad. Slaughterfish everywhere.
• The Golden NPC vendor is there every weekend to sell some very coveted sets (Monster Helms, Shoulders, gold jewelry). You can use gold or Alliance Points to get them.
• Repair doors and walls, though if you see someone of the same alliance sieging a milegate--try not to repair those and instead use a Keep Recall stone. This is to slow down enemy factions from reaching keeps. So for instance if you're from the Pact, the Chalman Milegate is something that you can take down to slow DC from overtaking the Keep/flip resources before they get there.
• Elite vendors in one of your starting locations in Cyrodiil can sell overworld gear found throughout Tamriel (excluding dungeons and trials, I'm not sure about DLC/Chapter sets as well)

Most importantly, just remember that what others may do (teabag, send hatemail/tells)--Just let it roll off your shoulders. They do this expecting to get a rise out of you. Also, expect to have some intense lag in some situations or an outright drop to login with no error message.

Edit; Will add to this when I remember more.

TheValar85

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

exploiters, cheaters

Now you are exaggerating.

im telling the turth sorry sir

Tell me, what cheats have you seen?
Edit: and how often?

wall hax, speed hax, invisibility hax, jumping thourgh walls, high jump hax, damage hax, there are tons of them and no those are not bugs. As for proof even youtube have a sheet tons of videos about recent cheats as well, and also many players are even admiting in cyrodiil in private chats, laughing into the palyers and Zenimaxes face. Still need proofs? lokk it up my friend. you'll be disgusted and surpsied.

FleetwoodSmack

And messed my edit up. As for exploiting;

Exploiters are a thing, but I find them rarely when I play. Mileage may very.

Bhaal5

Load screens or blue screens

TheValar85

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

exploiters, cheaters

Now you are exaggerating.

im telling the turth sorry sir

Tell me, what cheats have you seen?
Edit: and how often?

Answering your edit: on Pc eu sadly quiet offten and what makes it worst is that even a way too much people even recognise this while encountering those players, And nothing happens against them.so it gets very known issue on PC EU, basicly almost in every campain. i play on vivec and i cna cofrim that vivec is filled with them, about the other campain i dont know for sure becasue i just saying what i heard from my friends who players there.

Vietfox

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

exploiters, cheaters

Now you are exaggerating.

im telling the turth sorry sir

Tell me, what cheats have you seen?
Edit: and how often?

wall hax, speed hax, invisibility hax, jumping thourgh walls, high jump hax, damage hax, there are tons of them and no those are not bugs. As for proof even youtube have a sheet tons of videos about recent cheats as well, and also many players are even admiting in cyrodiil in private chats, laughing into the palyers and Zenimaxes face. Still need proofs? lokk it up my friend. you'll be disgusted and surpsied.

I've been pvping in Cyro since... 2015? and most of the weird things i've seen had an explanation. People just rather think that other people are cheating instead of blaming themselves.
I'm sure there's a way to cheat in this game, but personally i haven't seen any of that and you make it sound like it happens quite often.
Sometimes i've received pm from people asking me if i was cheating and i just say yes because it's fun, not because i did.

TheValar85

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

exploiters, cheaters

Now you are exaggerating.

im telling the turth sorry sir

Tell me, what cheats have you seen?
Edit: and how often?

wall hax, speed hax, invisibility hax, jumping thourgh walls, high jump hax, damage hax, there are tons of them and no those are not bugs. As for proof even youtube have a sheet tons of videos about recent cheats as well, and also many players are even admiting in cyrodiil in private chats, laughing into the palyers and Zenimaxes face. Still need proofs? lokk it up my friend. you'll be disgusted and surpsied.

I've been pvping in Cyro since... 2015? and most of the weird things i've seen had an explanation. People just rather think that other people are cheating instead of blaming themselves.
I'm sure there's a way to cheat in this game, but personally i haven't seen any of that and you make it sound like it happens quite often.
Sometimes i've received pm from people asking me if i was cheating and i just say yes because it's fun, not because i did.

No it is 100% sure it is not about that what you say. clearly there are skill ful palyers in cyrodiil and i admiting that, i and many other palyers can make diferency between skillful players vs cheaters, becasue cheatign is very visible. but i cannot ignore the fact that when i see some realy cheat related moments thats not a skillful palyers playing method. It is not desyncronization, not a lag, not a frame drop. It is cheating.

JumpmanLane

dem0n1k wrote: »

Taking a resource by yourself ... approach from behind the tower, hit a heal over time or shield or missile mitigation, enter the tower & drag in the guards & mender. Get to a place in the bottom of the tower where the guards on the flag can't hit you with there missiles.

Kill the guards & mender that are in the tower with you.. don't pull them too far or they will reset. Go up to second floor & kill the mage guard.

Go back downstairs, head out & kill both menders on the flag.. if you are getting low on health / resources, head back into the tower to recover. If not kill the guards on the flag & then stand there till the flag flips.

Welcome to Cyrodiil fellow PVPr!

Nah, drag the mender and the guard or guards all the way to the top in case a fool (actual person) or fools are lurking around the resource. Kill who and what you can. If it people and you can't kill them outright on top of the tower. Hop down to the second floor and use the curved edges of the tower to break your thirsty pursuers line of sight on you. Try to spread the dummies out and kill them one at a time.

If you're in a hurry and don't care, kite around the flag guards ( who don't move off the flag) and just kill em. And any and everything else that shows up out the gate.

Caligamy_ESO

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

exploiters, cheaters

Now you are exaggerating.

im telling the turth sorry sir

Tell me, what cheats have you seen?
Edit: and how often?

wall hax, speed hax, invisibility hax, jumping thourgh walls, high jump hax, damage hax, there are tons of them and no those are not bugs. As for proof even youtube have a sheet tons of videos about recent cheats as well, and also many players are even admiting in cyrodiil in private chats, laughing into the palyers and Zenimaxes face. Still need proofs? lokk it up my friend. you'll be disgusted and surpsied.

I've been pvping in Cyro since... 2015? and most of the weird things i've seen had an explanation. People just rather think that other people are cheating instead of blaming themselves.
I'm sure there's a way to cheat in this game, but personally i haven't seen any of that and you make it sound like it happens quite often.
Sometimes i've received pm from people asking me if i was cheating and i just say yes because it's fun, not because i did.

No it is 100% sure it is not about that what you say. clearly there are skill ful palyers in cyrodiil and i admiting that, i and many other palyers can make diferency between skillful players vs cheaters, becasue cheatign is very visible. but i cannot ignore the fact that when i see some realy cheat related moments thats not a skillful palyers playing method. It is not desyncronization, not a lag, not a frame drop. It is cheating.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCurAHP8GMGYqfljBCLVZCAw
Not saying they are EVERYWHERE but there are definitely some, this is from 2 months ago.

Davor

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Well.... I don't actually know the answer to any of your questions - except the "what to expect" one.

Expect to die. A lot. Try not to take it personally. Learn from the death recap screen. Don't take it personally. Don't second-guess yourself. Ask people on your own alliance what you can do to get better.

Take it slow if you can. There's a lot of stuff landing on you in pvp. Don't blindly react - but don't spend too much time thinking or you'll be dead (again). Be sure you have the logical accoutrements: the right gear (or as close as you can manage), the right food, the right buffs.

And now that I've probably made it obvious I don't pvp.... good luck, and I really hope you do well!

I don't PvP either just trying the events that started a few days ago, and just finally figured out how to get in. I always thought I had to do the level 10 quest to get into Cyrodiil. Seem I was wrong.

FleetwoodSmack wrote: »

Welcome to Cyrodiil!

So a few things to expect/keep in mind;

• People run large groups of people (zergs) and they can generally cause some laggy situations. Generally these happen around the objectives (Keeps, outposts, resources like the farms/mines/lumbermills, as well as the towns like Bruma).
• Impenetrable trait will definitely knock of a lot of the damage that's dealt.
• Keep an eye on zone chats for important call outs when one of those objectives are under assault.
• Mount train your speed as early as you can, followed by the stamina training. You'll be riding for a while.

For capturing resources like the mines, farms, lumbermills, and towns;

1. Kill all the NPCs surrounding the flag (along with the two in front of the tower and the one on the tower) since combat will prevent flags from being taken.
2. Keep Detection pots with Immovability in your arsenal for the random ganker.
3. Wait until it's fully your alliances color and then you can ride off. You'll still get the capture reward (Alliance Points) for taking it.

For capturing Keeps and Outposts, you'll need a few things;

• Make sure zone and yell chats are on and enabled as there's a lot of important callouts that are made.
• There's a sieging mechanic where you have to take down walls or 'front doors' (FD for short). I'll explain some of the widely used siege later on.
• Stay with coordinated groups during the taking of it. Siege if you can (and if there's space). Quickslot siege weapons early before you engage in combat as you can't switch this during.
• 'Look both ways' to ensure you or your group don't get flanked and stay on your toes.

For defending Keeps, Outposts, Resources, and Towns;

• Be sure to call out in zone if there's a large group at any of these, preferably before they have a chance to lay down siege weapons.
• Try to give a guestimate of how many there could be.
• If it's one person overtaking a resource or town, they're probably capturing for the quest objective in which case you can just 'flip' it when they leave.
• If all three resources (farms, mines, lumbermills) around keeps are taken, it's blocked from the transit line and you can't travel to that keep unless you have a Keep Recall stone.

Siege weapons are just a single mouse click once you drop them down from your quickslot (like potions). You have a few choices here;

• Meatbag catapults; Decreases healing recieved.
• Stone Catapults; Does more damage to buildings and milegates.
• Ballistas (also does damage to structures)
• Coldfire Ballistas/catapults do a number on player groups.
• Oils are good for keep/outpost defense (you 'dump' them on players while you're above them, usually on or near gratings of some kind).
• Battering Ram; Five people can bring down the front doors, but are at risk to Oils. Tanks and Healers are good in coordination with these.

Some other things to keep in mind;

• Forward camps (FC) are used as a stationary revive when a keep or outpost is under assault.
• Keep Recall stones can get you to keeps faster to defend if it's not flagged (under assault).
• Crossing sword icons and their size can resemble small, medium, or large fights.
• Keep a healthy amount of soul gems on you so you can revive people around you if you can't get a Forward Camp down.
• If you want to find a group, casually ask--just keep track of the map before you ask and show up to a keep or outpost that's seeing some 'action'.
• Invest in some of the PvP skills (Vigor, Caltrops, Detonation, Purge, etc).
• Learn to counter cloak with Radiant Magelight, Stealth Detection potions, as well as using a lot of AoE. Despite what some people might think, learning to counter this early on will prevent a lot of hassle in the future.
• Don't chase sorcerers who streak away more than twice. That generally leads to death.
• If you see something, say something. Especially if it's a large group heading in a certain direction, say that in zone. If it's a ganker, post that to yell unless you're the only one at the keep/resource. In which case if you can't handle them on your own, use zone to call for help.
• Deep water is bad. Slaughterfish everywhere.
• The Golden NPC vendor is there every weekend to sell some very coveted sets (Monster Helms, Shoulders, gold jewelry). You can use gold or Alliance Points to get them.
• Repair doors and walls, though if you see someone of the same alliance sieging a milegate--try not to repair those and instead use a Keep Recall stone. This is to slow down enemy factions from reaching keeps. So for instance if you're from the Pact, the Chalman Milegate is something that you can take down to slow DC from overtaking the Keep/flip resources before they get there.

Most importantly, just remember that what others may do (teabag, send hatemail/tells)--Just let it roll off your shoulders. They do this expecting to get a rise out of you. Also, expect to have some intense lag in some situations or an outright drop to login with no error message.

Edit; Will add to this when I remember more.

So many people to thank. So I want to thank everyone especially this post. This is so much WOW and a lot for me to take in, but I really appreciate this. It's going to take a while for me to learn, but I see what you have said about hate/tea bagging and will just brush it off. I see what you mean, why give them more fuel to enjoy. I will be happy for them and bless them.

Again, than you everyone who gave me advice. Just so hard to quote everyone and not make the post a mess to read.

Colecovision

Secret battle spirit RNG

Hitting bar swap has 10% chance to stun your character for a 5 seconds and a 35% chance to do nothing at all.
Hitting a skill has a 20% to appear to do nothing, but stack multiple button presses to be unleashed upon the open air after a period of 5 seconds

Also, clearly dodging an attack offers a 24% chance of watching a full killer combo completed by an oponent on the open air on your screen. During this time your charcater will be frozen off to the side clearly not being hit and then you see the full combo on a death recap as your health goes from 100% to a death recap.

Have Fun! It's just an outfit style. You can skip it. Those things happened to me enough last night to remind myself to pvp in another game.

Cundu_Ertur

Misery.

Sylvermynx

Colecovision wrote: »

Secret battle spirit RNG

Hitting bar swap has 10% chance to stun your character for a 5 seconds and a 35% chance to do nothing at all.
Hitting a skill has a 20% to appear to do nothing, but stack multiple button presses to be unleashed upon the open air after a period of 5 seconds

Also, clearly dodging an attack offers a 24% chance of watching a full killer combo completed by an oponent on the open air on your screen. During this time your charcater will be frozen off to the side clearly not being hit and then you see the full combo on a death recap as your health goes from 100% to a death recap.

Have Fun! It's just an outfit style. You can skip it. Those things happened to me enough last night to remind myself to pvp in another game.

You don't even want to know how that resonates. I can't reliably bar swap with 2k+ ms ping. Eh, you got it. Not going into pvp (not to mention I hate it). Biggest issue is I can't just do the story quests. *sigh* Sad.

linoge63

Is there a way to know for certain from the map where the FD is located on keeps?

Kel

linoge63 wrote: »

Is there a way to know for certain from the map where the FD is located on keeps?

From the map..I dont think so. But when you approach a keep, you can see where the inner keep points. The direction its pointing is usually towards the front door.

barney2525

Vietfox wrote: »

The campaign you are talking about is Kyne.
Resources can be taken alone, just require some good damage or tactics if you lack of that. You can either set a ballista on top of the tower and shoot them or take out the ones around the tower first (inside) and then the ones at the flag (mages first).
Once in Cyro just type in the zone chat "lfg" and learn from them.
Don't grab other's sieges, don't follow players who run away from you, run impen and well fitted, have at least one CC skill...
There are so many more tips to give, but it's better if you just learn by yourself.
Btw, expect death and tbagging.

NO, it's Not Kyne.

I play Kyne.

Kyne is for Under 50 - period.

It is Not a 7 day listing

dazee

Death, Lag, and more death.

Osteos

Welcome to Cyrodiil!

Dragneel1207

its dark souls
prepare to die

Davor

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

its dark souls
prepare to die

Oh I die all the time. In Morrowind and Oblivion, my first death was to a freaking mud crab lol. So glad they don't attack in ESO unless provoked.

Tonnopesce

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Vietfox wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

exploiters, cheaters

Now you are exaggerating.

im telling the turth sorry sir

Tell me, what cheats have you seen?
Edit: and how often?

Answering your edit: on Pc eu sadly quiet offten and what makes it worst is that even a way too much people even recognise this while encountering those players, And nothing happens against them.so it gets very known issue on PC EU, basicly almost in every campain. i play on vivec and i cna cofrim that vivec is filled with them, about the other campain i dont know for sure becasue i just saying what i heard from my friends who players there.

?

Sorry i basically live in vivec PC EU, a long time has passed since i saw a real cheater.

Cheese builds, immortal tanks, macro abusers, Zergballs and general *** yes.
But real cheaters?

Osteos

Davor wrote: »

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

its dark souls
prepare to die

Oh I die all the time. In Morrowind and Oblivion, my first death was to a freaking mud crab lol. So glad they don't attack in ESO unless provoked.

That is what you think. Long ago when eso first came out and I didn't know you could do all faction stories on one character I made an EP character. I was questing away exploring Stonefalls and came upon this pretty little pond. Unbeknownst to me this pond had a deadly secret. A pack of hostile mudcrabs.