Stam Set Ups - What is doing OK?

Azyle1

I am well aware that StamNecro and StamWarden have the pet buffs, but do we have any idea how the stam classes are doing for the most part?

Seems to be -

Stam Sorc = Worst

However, I have read/heard that MAYBE stamblade is being outdone by StamDK now? (See Liko's new StamDK video).

I assume StamNecro is on top and Stamwarden received no buffs or nerfs and was already pretty close to blade.

Discuss -

Izaki

Stam DK has Major Fracture remember. So in Liko's vid, its 88k with Major Fracture. Stamblade doesn't have Major Fracture and can hit around 84k from a couple of tests I personally did without bothering too much on the actual parse. So I doubt DK would be on Stamblades level, which is unfortunate.

I'd say the top spot would be shared between Stam Necro, Stamblade and Stam Warden (once Pet Crit gets fixed and some adjustments are made). The Stamplar is still as useful as before, even though its bugged to Oblivion and back on PTS, so it'd be next. Then Stam DK and Stam Sorc which are both kinda... last. Except Stam Sorcs are beasts of the beasts for Bow/Bow builds. So that would make Stam DK last. Obviously not by much, but still last.

wheem_ESO

Every single Stamina build is doing at least "OK," since the baseline toolkit is so good. I don't think it's really possible to make a full hierarchical list right this minute, especially since it will vary in some situations (seems like people continually underestimate just how good Stam Sorc's mobility can be), but none of them are "bad."

Edit: Woops, had a couple forums open at once and thought this was on the PvP forum. If you're talking about strictly PvE you can ignore this.

Azyle1

Izaki wrote: »

Stam DK has Major Fracture remember. So in Liko's vid, its 88k with Major Fracture. Stamblade doesn't have Major Fracture and can hit around 84k from a couple of tests I personally did without bothering too much on the actual parse. So I doubt DK would be on Stamblades level, which is unfortunate.

I'd say the top spot would be shared between Stam Necro, Stamblade and Stam Warden (once Pet Crit gets fixed and some adjustments are made). The Stamplar is still as useful as before, even though its bugged to Oblivion and back on PTS, so it'd be next. Then Stam DK and Stam Sorc which are both kinda... last. Except Stam Sorcs are beasts of the beasts for Bow/Bow builds. So that would make Stam DK last. Obviously not by much, but still last.

Isn't Major Fracture up on the Trial Dummy with the new buffs though?

LiquidPony

Azyle1 wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Stam DK has Major Fracture remember. So in Liko's vid, its 88k with Major Fracture. Stamblade doesn't have Major Fracture and can hit around 84k from a couple of tests I personally did without bothering too much on the actual parse. So I doubt DK would be on Stamblades level, which is unfortunate.

I'd say the top spot would be shared between Stam Necro, Stamblade and Stam Warden (once Pet Crit gets fixed and some adjustments are made). The Stamplar is still as useful as before, even though its bugged to Oblivion and back on PTS, so it'd be next. Then Stam DK and Stam Sorc which are both kinda... last. Except Stam Sorcs are beasts of the beasts for Bow/Bow builds. So that would make Stam DK last. Obviously not by much, but still last.

Isn't Major Fracture up on the Trial Dummy with the new buffs though?

Yes, Major Fracture is on the trial dummy.

The testing I've done and seen looks like: stamnecro (100k+) > stamden (95-100k) > stamblade = stamsorc = stamDK (85-90k) > > > > > stamplar (<85k)

Stamplars look awful, lowest DPS of any spec in the game as far as I've seen. I think once stamnecro gets balanced out and the pet bugs get fixed they'll all be pretty close except for booty stamplars. Stamden will lose 5-6k when the bear isn't critting 100%, stamsorc will lose ~2k when the Storm Atro isn't critting 100%, stamnecro will lose a ton when Blastbones/Skeletal Archer aren't critting 100%, and even stamblades will lose 1-2k if they're currently using Shades (or Shades may be completely useless if ZOS makes them scale with spell crit ... they're currently doing 5-6k DPS at 100% crit).

Stamsorcs look pretty good honestly. Not sure why you think they're the worst. I've seen 85-90k parses with both 2H setups and DW setups, plus that OP cleave and the Storm Atro synergy.

Azyle1

LiquidPony wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Stam DK has Major Fracture remember. So in Liko's vid, its 88k with Major Fracture. Stamblade doesn't have Major Fracture and can hit around 84k from a couple of tests I personally did without bothering too much on the actual parse. So I doubt DK would be on Stamblades level, which is unfortunate.

I'd say the top spot would be shared between Stam Necro, Stamblade and Stam Warden (once Pet Crit gets fixed and some adjustments are made). The Stamplar is still as useful as before, even though its bugged to Oblivion and back on PTS, so it'd be next. Then Stam DK and Stam Sorc which are both kinda... last. Except Stam Sorcs are beasts of the beasts for Bow/Bow builds. So that would make Stam DK last. Obviously not by much, but still last.

Isn't Major Fracture up on the Trial Dummy with the new buffs though?

Yes, Major Fracture is on the trial dummy.

The testing I've done and seen looks like: stamnecro (100k+) > stamden (95-100k) > stamblade = stamsorc = stamDK (85-90k) > > > > > stamplar (<85k)

Stamplars look awful, lowest DPS of any spec in the game as far as I've seen. I think once stamnecro gets balanced out and the pet bugs get fixed they'll all be pretty close except for booty stamplars. Stamden will lose 5-6k when the bear isn't critting 100%, stamsorc will lose ~2k when the Storm Atro isn't critting 100%, stamnecro will lose a ton when Blastbones/Skeletal Archer aren't critting 100%, and even stamblades will lose 1-2k if they're currently using Shades (or Shades may be completely useless if ZOS makes them scale with spell crit ... they're currently doing 5-6k DPS at 100% crit).

Stamsorcs look pretty good honestly. Not sure why you think they're the worst. I've seen 85-90k parses with both 2H setups and DW setups, plus that OP cleave and the Storm Atro synergy.

@LiquidPony I got 95k on StamNecro. What rotation are you using? I am doing Likos but just using a random CP.

Kidgangster101

LiquidPony wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Stam DK has Major Fracture remember. So in Liko's vid, its 88k with Major Fracture. Stamblade doesn't have Major Fracture and can hit around 84k from a couple of tests I personally did without bothering too much on the actual parse. So I doubt DK would be on Stamblades level, which is unfortunate.

I'd say the top spot would be shared between Stam Necro, Stamblade and Stam Warden (once Pet Crit gets fixed and some adjustments are made). The Stamplar is still as useful as before, even though its bugged to Oblivion and back on PTS, so it'd be next. Then Stam DK and Stam Sorc which are both kinda... last. Except Stam Sorcs are beasts of the beasts for Bow/Bow builds. So that would make Stam DK last. Obviously not by much, but still last.

Isn't Major Fracture up on the Trial Dummy with the new buffs though?

Yes, Major Fracture is on the trial dummy.

The testing I've done and seen looks like: stamnecro (100k+) > stamden (95-100k) > stamblade = stamsorc = stamDK (85-90k) > > > > > stamplar (<85k)

Stamplars look awful, lowest DPS of any spec in the game as far as I've seen. I think once stamnecro gets balanced out and the pet bugs get fixed they'll all be pretty close except for booty stamplars. Stamden will lose 5-6k when the bear isn't critting 100%, stamsorc will lose ~2k when the Storm Atro isn't critting 100%, stamnecro will lose a ton when Blastbones/Skeletal Archer aren't critting 100%, and even stamblades will lose 1-2k if they're currently using Shades (or Shades may be completely useless if ZOS makes them scale with spell crit ... they're currently doing 5-6k DPS at 100% crit).

Stamsorcs look pretty good honestly. Not sure why you think they're the worst. I've seen 85-90k parses with both 2H setups and DW setups, plus that OP cleave and the Storm Atro synergy.

Yeah a lot of people aren't concerned if Stam sorc is doing good I think people want them to have a better class move as they surely lack in that department lol. I still don't get why crystal blast can be a crystal sword we use to do physical damage.

Honestly if they did that a lot of people would have been happy to at least get something lol.

Prutton

LiquidPony wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Stam DK has Major Fracture remember. So in Liko's vid, its 88k with Major Fracture. Stamblade doesn't have Major Fracture and can hit around 84k from a couple of tests I personally did without bothering too much on the actual parse. So I doubt DK would be on Stamblades level, which is unfortunate.

I'd say the top spot would be shared between Stam Necro, Stamblade and Stam Warden (once Pet Crit gets fixed and some adjustments are made). The Stamplar is still as useful as before, even though its bugged to Oblivion and back on PTS, so it'd be next. Then Stam DK and Stam Sorc which are both kinda... last. Except Stam Sorcs are beasts of the beasts for Bow/Bow builds. So that would make Stam DK last. Obviously not by much, but still last.

Isn't Major Fracture up on the Trial Dummy with the new buffs though?

Yes, Major Fracture is on the trial dummy.

The testing I've done and seen looks like: stamnecro (100k+) > stamden (95-100k) > stamblade = stamsorc = stamDK (85-90k) > > > > > stamplar (<85k)

Stamplars look awful, lowest DPS of any spec in the game as far as I've seen. I think once stamnecro gets balanced out and the pet bugs get fixed they'll all be pretty close except for booty stamplars. Stamden will lose 5-6k when the bear isn't critting 100%, stamsorc will lose ~2k when the Storm Atro isn't critting 100%, stamnecro will lose a ton when Blastbones/Skeletal Archer aren't critting 100%, and even stamblades will lose 1-2k if they're currently using Shades (or Shades may be completely useless if ZOS makes them scale with spell crit ... they're currently doing 5-6k DPS at 100% crit).

Stamsorcs look pretty good honestly. Not sure why you think they're the worst. I've seen 85-90k parses with both 2H setups and DW setups, plus that OP cleave and the Storm Atro synergy.

You said it yourself. Stamsorcs deal over 10% less damage than stamden and stamnecro. They are only "equal" to stamblade because the later just got heavily debuffed, as well as stamplar. Also, you are considering the dummy that provides all buffs, and that doesn't happen in environments like vCR portal or vMA, for example. Before PTS, they are at the bottom of dps charts together with stamdk.

However, as @Kidgangster101 just mentioned, stamsorcs don't want to be above all other classes, they just want to be useful and have a unique playstyle. As unique, they mean one that can't be replicated by any character without class skills, using only weapon skills.

You only know what it feels to play a weaker class when you see trial teams requesting "at most 2 or 4 melee, no stamdks or stamsorcs allowed".

LiquidPony

Prutton wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Stam DK has Major Fracture remember. So in Liko's vid, its 88k with Major Fracture. Stamblade doesn't have Major Fracture and can hit around 84k from a couple of tests I personally did without bothering too much on the actual parse. So I doubt DK would be on Stamblades level, which is unfortunate.

I'd say the top spot would be shared between Stam Necro, Stamblade and Stam Warden (once Pet Crit gets fixed and some adjustments are made). The Stamplar is still as useful as before, even though its bugged to Oblivion and back on PTS, so it'd be next. Then Stam DK and Stam Sorc which are both kinda... last. Except Stam Sorcs are beasts of the beasts for Bow/Bow builds. So that would make Stam DK last. Obviously not by much, but still last.

Isn't Major Fracture up on the Trial Dummy with the new buffs though?

Yes, Major Fracture is on the trial dummy.

The testing I've done and seen looks like: stamnecro (100k+) > stamden (95-100k) > stamblade = stamsorc = stamDK (85-90k) > > > > > stamplar (<85k)

Stamplars look awful, lowest DPS of any spec in the game as far as I've seen. I think once stamnecro gets balanced out and the pet bugs get fixed they'll all be pretty close except for booty stamplars. Stamden will lose 5-6k when the bear isn't critting 100%, stamsorc will lose ~2k when the Storm Atro isn't critting 100%, stamnecro will lose a ton when Blastbones/Skeletal Archer aren't critting 100%, and even stamblades will lose 1-2k if they're currently using Shades (or Shades may be completely useless if ZOS makes them scale with spell crit ... they're currently doing 5-6k DPS at 100% crit).

Stamsorcs look pretty good honestly. Not sure why you think they're the worst. I've seen 85-90k parses with both 2H setups and DW setups, plus that OP cleave and the Storm Atro synergy.

You said it yourself. Stamsorcs deal over 10% less damage than stamden and stamnecro. They are only "equal" to stamblade because the later just got heavily debuffed, as well as stamplar. Also, you are considering the dummy that provides all buffs, and that doesn't happen in environments like vCR portal or vMA, for example. Before PTS, they are at the bottom of dps charts together with stamdk.

However, as @Kidgangster101 just mentioned, stamsorcs don't want to be above all other classes, they just want to be useful and have a unique playstyle. As unique, they mean one that can't be replicated by any character without class skills, using only weapon skills.

You only know what it feels to play a weaker class when you see trial teams requesting "at most 2 or 4 melee, no stamdks or stamsorcs allowed".

Reading is hard.

Stamden and stamnecro are overperforming due to a bug. Those two specs are getting far more benefit out of 100% pet crit than any other stam build.

On my personal best parses (95k stamden and 99k stamnecro), normalizing to the average crit rate would put the stamden at 89k and the stamnecro at 90k. Which is right around what I'm hitting on stamsorc and stamDK and stamblade.

StamDKs and stamsorcs both look solid this patch.

My "main" is a stamsorc so I'm well aware of the current situation on live, but that's not really relevant to a discussion about PTS. And I'm not really sure where "at most 2-4 melee" is relevant either. The meta comp in every full Trial is 8 melee builds right now.

Here's a stamsorc parse: