Please sell all skins now through the store. There is no point to a progression wall for skins.

Heelie

End game rewards are already a joke in this game compared to other MMO's, in WoW you can only get the best gear by actually doing the hardest content in the game where as eso has copies from the easiest version of the trials. Perfected gear is somewhat of a step in the right direction but there are no significant differences between the two. Why should end game players not be able to earn gold by carrying people? We have spent hours learning how to do the content so why should we not be able to sell our labour and thereby make the millions of gold that people are willing to pay for it? ESO is a free market economy. By adding the skins to the crown store you would littereally make everything in the game obtainable without any hard effort involved from any parties.

LightMaster7

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Whenever I have a really dumb idea, I tend to keep it to myself instead of throwing it out there for tons of people to mock.

Should’ve thought this one through first champ.

The only "dumb idea" here is your inability to understand the context of this conversation because you are either ignorant or missing some marbles OR your one of those people profiteering from in game carries.

What I stated is a valid presumption of what is already going on and a very valid business model for ZOS as is, since they are the one that is really being screwed here in the end as well as the players.

LightMaster7

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Whenever I have a really dumb idea, I tend to keep it to myself instead of throwing it out there for tons of people to mock.

Should’ve thought this one through first champ.

oh and btw "champ".

XiDiabolismiX

LightMaster7 wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Whenever I have a really dumb idea, I tend to keep it to myself instead of throwing it out there for tons of people to mock.

Should’ve thought this one through first champ.

The only "dumb idea" here is your inability to understand the context of this conversation because you are either ignorant or missing some marbles OR your one of those people profiteering from in game carries.

What I stated is a valid presumption of what is already going on and a very valid business model for ZOS as is, since they are the one that is really being screwed here in the end as well as the players.

Tough content that rewards a skin is meant to be earned. If someone is going to pay gold in order to obtain the skin, then it’s only right that the people who are patient and good enough to complete the task earn the gold. On top of that, where do you think the majority of the gold for carries come from? I bet 90% of skin buyers buy crowns from zos and sell for the gold... so trying to sway it as an opportunity is nonsensical because they’re already profiting.

You know what I think, is that you are secretly butthurt because of your inability to be good at the game and/or find a team that is willing to carry a potato through content.

It really is that simple to understand. Git gud.

StormeReigns

Skins are unique. Titles are as well.
While I have agreed to many different things that should be on the crown store... this is one that shouldn't.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Most skins in game are actually not that hard to obtain. Just trial and error and your own personal group.

Minaithelan

LightMaster7 wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Whenever I have a really dumb idea, I tend to keep it to myself instead of throwing it out there for tons of people to mock.

Should’ve thought this one through first champ.

The only "dumb idea" here is your inability to understand the context of this conversation because you are either ignorant or missing some marbles OR your one of those people profiteering from in game carries.

What I stated is a valid presumption of what is already going on and a very valid business model for ZOS as is, since they are the one that is really being screwed here in the end as well as the players.

but it is a dumb idea, he's suggesting to kill what incentivizes most people to actually go back to do content. And no, I'm not talking about the "1%" someone complained before (lol, ive read anywhere from 1 to 10 to 25, curious to know the actual numbers, just to avoid false statistics). I'm talking about the people that want the skin but cant learn mechanics, some because they may be bad, but you do forget we have people of all ages in this game, as well as people that may have disabilities. They may not be good at raiding, but their farming skills may put others to shame. Others may be married and have children so they cant dedicate as much time to go through a progression group, so let them buy crowns and sell gifts for gold.

Oh and those raiders you accuse of "profitering" most of them use the gold right away on mats, because end-game requires you invest quite a lot on gear and potions and whatnot. And guess where that comes from? Farmer and Trading Guilds, so you suggest raiders buy directly from crows store, would you rather have all mats dissappear from the game too and be CS exclusive? I mean there ARE people profitering from them, it is so unfair...

Prof_Bawbag

Barring the trial skins and the 2 new dungeons, good luck to any scrub getting the FL, SC etc skins, titles and personalities. 3 fantastic players or not, it still requires some skill from the tourist. No player is going to walk in first time without a death in some of the dlc 4 player dungeons. Especially on hard mode. I wonder how many of these good players are willing to spend hours in a dungeon they can complete with 1 hand tied behind their back whilst some guy falls time after time.

Prof_Bawbag

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

It’s about bragging rights. Same thing with the titles. If they sold them in the crown store what would players have to strive for?

You can buy gold with crowns then buy the skins now. There are no bragging rights anymore

There is for the group who cleared the hard mode content. It’s obvious who earned the skins/titles vs who paid their way.

There is an account who got sold about a year ago. It has a ton of titles and skins but it’s so pathetically obvious the person who bought the account is clueless because they couldn’t pull 20k DPS in a vet dungeon. It’s sad but I still wouldn’t want to see all the skins in the crown store.

You have no real way of knowing that. There's a guy i game with and he too was once a very good player. He was in a car accident and is no longer able to do most of the stuff he once did in game. *** happens to people and people who play eso aren't immune from life changing *** happening to them. Yet some people on here seem to think we are.

forumsmurf

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Barring the trial skins and the 2 new dungeons, good luck to any scrub getting the FL, SC etc skins, titles and personalities. 3 fantastic players or not, it still requires some skill from the tourist. No player is going to walk in first time without a death in some of the dlc 4 player dungeons. Especially on hard mode. I wonder how many of these good players are willing to spend hours in a dungeon they can complete with 1 hand tied behind their back whilst some guy falls time after time.

People have solo'd FL HM and SCP HM. The dude can wait outside of the boss rooms.

idk

It is good to have rewards at differing tiers of the game. Zos has done well with offering cosmetics of one sort or another with just story quests, vet DLC dungeon and vet trials.

It is a nice spread and as far as the trial rewards go, it is not uncommon for the hardest content to offer some reward to player who clear it. Sometimes it is monetary to the point well beyond what anyone can get in the base game. In ESO it is stuff like the skins.

Prof_Bawbag

forumsmurf wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Barring the trial skins and the 2 new dungeons, good luck to any scrub getting the FL, SC etc skins, titles and personalities. 3 fantastic players or not, it still requires some skill from the tourist. No player is going to walk in first time without a death in some of the dlc 4 player dungeons. Especially on hard mode. I wonder how many of these good players are willing to spend hours in a dungeon they can complete with 1 hand tied behind their back whilst some guy falls time after time.

People have solo'd FL HM and SCP HM. The dude can wait outside of the boss rooms.

I'm not doubting you, but the very first time i ran RoM many moons ago, a person agrro'd a boss before i got through the gate. They killed it, but i never got the credit in the achievements for it, so never got the full rewards first time through. I always assumed you needed to hit the boss.

RogueShark

Juhasow wrote: »

pod88kk wrote: »

No! If you want it, EARN IT!!!!

The point of OP is that You can buy it for crowns anyway with gifting. You earn the gold through gifting and then pay that gold for carry run so in theory if somebody wants he can get vCR HM skin right after getting to lv 50 if he's willing to spend enough money.

Counter-argument is then why limit it to just skins on the crown store? You can technically pay someone (illegitately) to get you anything in game. Vma scores and gear, emperor, etc. May as well put everything on the store so no one ever has to work for anything.

LightMaster7 wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Whenever I have a really dumb idea, I tend to keep it to myself instead of throwing it out there for tons of people to mock.

Should’ve thought this one through first champ.

The only "dumb idea" here is your inability to understand the context of this conversation because you are either ignorant or missing some marbles OR your one of those people profiteering from in game carries.

What I stated is a valid presumption of what is already going on and a very valid business model for ZOS as is, since they are the one that is really being screwed here in the end as well as the players.

Lol ZoS being "screwed" by people selling carries?
Can we at least take a step back here: multiple people have articulated very well why this is a bad idea, and your only argument thus far is "cuz ppl buy crowns for carries anyway!"

So...
1. If people buy crowns to sell to pay for carries (which, according to you, seems to be how everyone does it), how is ZoS getting "screwed"?
2. You still refuse to address why and how selling skins in the crown store is fine, but not then selling any other thing in-game that you have to earn (or be carried), including things like vMA weapons, emperor, gear or monster helm sets, gryphon heart or tick tock tormentor, etc. Is skins okay but nothing else? Should everything be bought via crown store? Why and how do you think that wood make a good gaming experience?

Starlock

I don’t understand why this is such an issue for some folks. It is analagous to suggesting that the existence of chefs who cook food for you diminishes the value of culinary skill, and that nobody should ever eat food prepared for them by another person.

nud3_voxel

This has to take the cake as dumbest post of 2019. Please sell the emperor regalia and title through the crown store. Also please give us quest completion through crown store, and crafting achievements.

Dude before posting something on the forum try and use your peanut brain maybe.

Just because you can't get the skins and don't want to pay gold for the service doesn't mean ZoS should hand everything to you for money. Would you like some pepper with your salt?

The percentage of people actually buying carries for money is abysmal compared to the others that slug through progressions. If you don't see that as a point idk what to tell you. If you think guilds would not realise who got carried through clears vs a competent pve player you're very mistaken and obviously have no clue how to judge someone who is decent at pve.

I can think of one reason as to why they don't do it. It's so that people like YOU don't get the skins.

Fallewarrior

LightMaster7 wrote: »

RogueShark wrote: »

I'm aware. Don't see how that is an argument to my post.
Plenty of people still earn their titles/skins.
People who have "mastered" the content enough to carry someone who is paying should be able to make gold that way.

What ***.

Dude they are trying to make a buck from a game. Let the game developers who actually developed the game get the money they deserve.

Put the damn skins in the store already and have done with it.

Anyone who still think its "bragging rights" are quite stupid considering literally a *** 5 year old can pay with crowns or gold and get a carry.

`nuff said.

You are the type who's to lazy to put in any effort to succeed or is just plain bad. So you fall back to pulling your credit card.

LightMaster7

forumsmurf wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Barring the trial skins and the 2 new dungeons, good luck to any scrub getting the FL, SC etc skins, titles and personalities. 3 fantastic players or not, it still requires some skill from the tourist. No player is going to walk in first time without a death in some of the dlc 4 player dungeons. Especially on hard mode. I wonder how many of these good players are willing to spend hours in a dungeon they can complete with 1 hand tied behind their back whilst some guy falls time after time.

People have solo'd FL HM and SCP HM. The dude can wait outside of the boss rooms.

LOL you must be one stupid person if you actually believe that.

LightMaster7

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

LightMaster7 wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Whenever I have a really dumb idea, I tend to keep it to myself instead of throwing it out there for tons of people to mock.

Should’ve thought this one through first champ.

The only "dumb idea" here is your inability to understand the context of this conversation because you are either ignorant or missing some marbles OR your one of those people profiteering from in game carries.

What I stated is a valid presumption of what is already going on and a very valid business model for ZOS as is, since they are the one that is really being screwed here in the end as well as the players.

Tough content that rewards a skin is meant to be earned. If someone is going to pay gold in order to obtain the skin, then it’s only right that the people who are patient and good enough to complete the task earn the gold. On top of that, where do you think the majority of the gold for carries come from? I bet 90% of skin buyers buy crowns from zos and sell for the gold... so trying to sway it as an opportunity is nonsensical because they’re already profiting.

You know what I think, is that you are secretly butthurt because of your inability to be good at the game and/or find a team that is willing to carry a potato through content.

It really is that simple to understand. Git gud.

Wow you are one of the most ignorant persons I've ever seen posted. What I see here is you probably participate in one of these guilds that profiteer from such activities and you are butthurt that making it available for the masses somehow disenfranchises you little monopoly to get money from people paying for these services.

I really hope Zenimax listens here and shafts every one of you so called "enfranchised" players and kills the game for you because you are what is making this game toxic.

LightMaster7

Minaithelan wrote: »

LightMaster7 wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Whenever I have a really dumb idea, I tend to keep it to myself instead of throwing it out there for tons of people to mock.

Should’ve thought this one through first champ.

The only "dumb idea" here is your inability to understand the context of this conversation because you are either ignorant or missing some marbles OR your one of those people profiteering from in game carries.

What I stated is a valid presumption of what is already going on and a very valid business model for ZOS as is, since they are the one that is really being screwed here in the end as well as the players.

but it is a dumb idea, he's suggesting to kill what incentivizes most people to actually go back to do content. And no, I'm not talking about the "1%" someone complained before (lol, ive read anywhere from 1 to 10 to 25, curious to know the actual numbers, just to avoid false statistics). I'm talking about the people that want the skin but cant learn mechanics, some because they may be bad, but you do forget we have people of all ages in this game, as well as people that may have disabilities. They may not be good at raiding, but their farming skills may put others to shame. Others may be married and have children so they cant dedicate as much time to go through a progression group, so let them buy crowns and sell gifts for gold.

Oh and those raiders you accuse of "profitering" most of them use the gold right away on mats, because end-game requires you invest quite a lot on gear and potions and whatnot. And guess where that comes from? Farmer and Trading Guilds, so you suggest raiders buy directly from crows store, would you rather have all mats dissappear from the game too and be CS exclusive? I mean there ARE people profitering from them, it is so unfair...

oooh so your OK with letting those poor souls like old people and disabled people and whatever the *** kind of excuse you wanna give and let them have a pass at getting these skins and screw the rest of the population because they can "earn it"? So I guess only a specific set of the population is exempt from "earning this" is what your argument is about then?

What a crock of ***.

LightMaster7

Fallewarrior wrote: »

LightMaster7 wrote: »

RogueShark wrote: »

I'm aware. Don't see how that is an argument to my post.
Plenty of people still earn their titles/skins.
People who have "mastered" the content enough to carry someone who is paying should be able to make gold that way.

What ***.

Dude they are trying to make a buck from a game. Let the game developers who actually developed the game get the money they deserve.

Put the damn skins in the store already and have done with it.

Anyone who still think its "bragging rights" are quite stupid considering literally a *** 5 year old can pay with crowns or gold and get a carry.

`nuff said.

You are the type who's to lazy to put in any effort to succeed or is just plain bad. So you fall back to pulling your credit card.

I'm the type that's completed every achievement in the game except for the top vAS+2, vHof and vCR+3 and even if I haven't finished those, I damn well won't "pay" for it, while I see players who have "paid" for it running around like they actually completed the thing but haven't a clue in even 4-man dungeons.

So if I were you chum, I'd stfu before assuming anything.

Sevn

Nah, keep it as is. Let the folks who earned it keep believing others actually care or are impressed that they earned it.

Kurat

Unfortunately with all this selling carries going around, theres no value left in titles/achievements. No "bragging rights ", coz you dont know who actually earned it. Christ, they even sell vMA runs buy getting access to others accounts. Flawless conqueror used to be the hardest solo title to get, now I see bow la spammers in dungeons with it.

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