Please sell all skins now through the store. There is no point to a progression wall for skins.

LightMaster7

There are literally several guilds selling carries and at this point, I don't know how many people paid for that, but I can tell just by playing in regular vet dungeons with some of these players with "skins" that they really did not get this by actually progressing in the dungeon. I mean they SUCK.

So, seriously, if it's already a "thing" where it's ok to "sell" skins in game by carries, why not just have it available through the store and have it done with.

I cannot think of ONE reason, from being what it is now in game, that this should not be implemented.

pod88kk

No! If you want it, EARN IT!!!!

Fur_like_snow

It’s about bragging rights. Same thing with the titles. If they sold them in the crown store what would players have to strive for?

Tyrobag

This is how P2W happens.. Not everything available in game should be available in the store, quite the opposite in fact.

Ankael07

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

It’s about bragging rights. Same thing with the titles. If they sold them in the crown store what would players have to strive for?

You can buy gold with crowns then buy the skins now. There are no bragging rights anymore

Tsar_Gekkou

Selling skin runs is a more fun and engaging way to make money instead of mindlessly grinding nodes for god knows how long.

Fur_like_snow

Ankael07 wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

It’s about bragging rights. Same thing with the titles. If they sold them in the crown store what would players have to strive for?

You can buy gold with crowns then buy the skins now. There are no bragging rights anymore

There is for the group who cleared the hard mode content. It’s obvious who earned the skins/titles vs who paid their way.

There is an account who got sold about a year ago. It has a ton of titles and skins but it’s so pathetically obvious the person who bought the account is clueless because they couldn’t pull 20k DPS in a vet dungeon. It’s sad but I still wouldn’t want to see all the skins in the crown store.

RogueShark

No. Lots of people still earn their skins and titles. For those who want to buy, them paying players is far better than crownstore purchase. The group good enough to carry someone took time and effort to get there. Let them profit.

Mojmir

RogueShark wrote: »

No. Lots of people still earn their skins and titles. For those who want to buy, them paying players is far better than crownstore purchase. The group good enough to carry someone took time and effort to get there. Let them profit.

theres is literally no title or reward in the game that cant be paid for with gold or crowns, u know people let others use their acct for maelstrom scores and drops right?

RogueShark

I'm aware. Don't see how that is an argument to my post.
Plenty of people still earn their titles/skins.
People who have "mastered" the content enough to carry someone who is paying should be able to make gold that way.

LightMaster7

RogueShark wrote: »

I'm aware. Don't see how that is an argument to my post.
Plenty of people still earn their titles/skins.
People who have "mastered" the content enough to carry someone who is paying should be able to make gold that way.

What ***.

Dude they are trying to make a buck from a game. Let the game developers who actually developed the game get the money they deserve.

Put the damn skins in the store already and have done with it.

Anyone who still think its "bragging rights" are quite stupid considering literally a *** 5 year old can pay with crowns or gold and get a carry.

`nuff said.

LightMaster7

I mean if its already "allowed" for people to pay guilds for a carry with gold or crowns, then WHY the hell should people be forced to ask guilds? Why doesn't the game developer just provide the service?

I don't get it?

RogueShark

Lol. With that mentality, every title and achieve and item should be able to be bought in the crownstore.
Want emp? Crown store.
Want that burning spellweave staff? Crown store.
How about grand overlord or master angler? Crown store!
Why do any content ever, just buy it in the crownstore.

LeagueTroll

I worked so hard for my skins. Back in the days, some potatoes i kicked in lfg dungeon would whisper me, I used to be able to tell ppl ‘look at my titles’ when they have the stupid argument like ‘it’s not you don’t want to carry, u suck urself.’ Now i can’t even use my title as proof no more. Come on zos.

RogueShark

Also can't seem to edit on this device, but: paying for carries with actual money is not allowed. Paying for gold is hardly people "making a buck". If people fund their carries by selling crowns, zos is still making money.
If they fund their carries through farming mats or whatever else, then cool too. Still no real world currency crossing hands between players.

You either have problem with having to "resort" to paying gold to people who have taken the time to learn the content, or you have a problem with possible real money transactions TO those selling carries, which is against the rules anyway.
You can get carried without spending a dime, EASILY, just in game gold. If you don't like carries at all for whatever reason then... okay.

Kiralyn2000

You could always stop judging people by skins & titles. /shrug


And like I've said before - "carries" have existed in MMOs since time immemorial. Looooong before "p2w", cash shops, or any of that silliness. I was there in vanilla WoW, watching raid guilds take tourists through their "farm" raids to fund their guilds, and I'm sure it happened before that too.

Kikke

Titles and Skins are for those that can earn them to choose what to do with. We want to sell it to those that can obtain the gold one way or another.

Selling this in crownstore would just open up for one thing; What would we "The ones clearing the content" be rewarded if everyone can buy the title and skins directly from crown store?

Also, Buy a skin or title and try to get into a serious group with THAT as a statement.... well, no. you wont past the DPS check.

For the one pointing out that you could show people your title and make a statement out of that.... Link your DPS instead. you know the moment it says 80% of group DPS that you are doing the carry, no need for a title to do that.

Again. If skins are to be sold in crownstore. There has to be added a new rewards to complete trials. Give us mounts! kkthxbye.

Suddwrath

RogueShark wrote: »

Lol. With that mentality, every title and achieve and item should be able to be bought in the crownstore.
Want emp? Crown store.
Want that burning spellweave staff? Crown store.
How about grand overlord or master angler? Crown store!
Why do any content ever, just buy it in the crownstore.

Why stop there?
Want Dro'm-athra Destroyer? Crown Store.
Want Flawless Conqueror? Crown Store.

Yes, there are those who "buy" these skins with gold rather than putting together a group to progress through the content. However, it still took a group of experienced players to come together to beat that trial and carry the payer. It still took a group of players to progress through that content and master it to the degree that they can bring a random person in to sell them a skin. So just because a very low percentage of players with those skins bought them via a carry doesn't mean that they should just be made available in the Crown Store to everyone. Buying a carry in-game is not the same as simply buying it in the Crown Store. One requires a coordinated group to invest their time and effort to carry a player through an entire trial, and the other simply involves buying a cosmetic in the Crown Store.

There are titles and skins in the game to incentivize players to tackle more challenging content and then reward them for doing so. Putting those skins/titles in the Crown Store will remove a large incentive for players to attempt that content since they can just buy it in the Crown Store. Even if someone did buy a carry, they (and 11 other players) still had to invest time and effort into completing that veteran content.

If achievement skins/titles became available in the Crown Store the game would quickly begin declining. That would be a very slippery slope for ZOS to go down.

One more thing: Just because someone with a skin does low DPS/heals in a dungeon doesn't necessarily imply they are a bad player. They could have legitimately unlocked that skin on another character and are currently running through a dungeon on one of their newer characters/crafters. Someone who unlocked the skin on their tank/healer might not be that great on a DPS character and vice versa. You can't just assume they bought the skin.

kmcaj

Will it be cheaper to buy skin from online store or in game carry on PS4? Thank you.

Billdor

LightMaster7 wrote: »

There are literally several guilds selling carries and at this point, I don't know how many people paid for that, but I can tell just by playing in regular vet dungeons with some of these players with "skins" that they really did not get this by actually progressing in the dungeon. I mean they SUCK.

So, seriously, if it's already a "thing" where it's ok to "sell" skins in game by carries, why not just have it available through the store and have it done with.

I cannot think of ONE reason, from being what it is now in game, that this should not be implemented.

The 3 people who clicked Agree make me question if there is actually hope in humanity.

RogueShark

SaltySudd wrote: »

If achievement skins/titles became available in the Crown Store the game would quickly begin declining. That would be a very slippery slope for ZOS to go down.

One more thing: Just because someone with a skin does low DPS/heals in a dungeon doesn't necessarily imply they are a bad player. They could have legitimately unlocked that skin on another character and are currently running through a dungeon on one of their newer characters/crafters. Someone who unlocked the skin on their tank/healer might not be that great on a DPS character and vice versa. You can't just assume they bought the skin.

This. Exactly this.
(Wasn't sure if you were quoting me thinking I agreed with op or just elaborating further on my disagreement, but you put it far more eloquently than I did.)

Suddwrath

RogueShark wrote: »

This. Exactly this.
(Wasn't sure if you were quoting me thinking I agreed with op or just elaborating further on my disagreement, but you put it far more eloquently than I did.)

Oh I agree with what you said! I was just quoting you to continue your argument of how everything could just end up in the Crown Store

highkingnm

So, because some people misuse the system, we should just give up and let everyone get them? I love my Frostvault spider. I earned it. And there are some people who paid for carries and got it that way but, you know what, that doesn’t detract from my pride in it. But if anyone could buy it then I wouldn’t have bothered go for the achievement at all.

People make a good point above. Why not sell titles at this rate? Or all achievements? You can get carries for anything, but that doesn’t mean ZOS should give in. To me this effectively would mean ZOS giving in and condoning carries. You still be encouraged to do the content, rather than ZOS cashing in on people’s laziness.

RogueShark

SaltySudd wrote: »

RogueShark wrote: »

This. Exactly this.
(Wasn't sure if you were quoting me thinking I agreed with op or just elaborating further on my disagreement, but you put it far more eloquently than I did.)

Oh I agree with what you said! I was just quoting you to continue your argument of how everything could just end up in the Crown Store

^^
Well again, ty for elaborating further and phrasing it better!

kratier

yup, locking most their skins and motifs behind progression walls is cancer not even like 1% of their total userbase actually does those hard / vet modes

highkingnm

kratier wrote: »

yup, locking most their skins and motifs behind progression walls is cancer not even like 1% of their total userbase actually does those hard / vet modes

That’s kind of the point. They are things to aspire you to go for an reward completion of hard content. We moan how much has been put in the crown store, yet now you are suggesting that endgame rewards that come from playing the game should be made available with crowns, thus removing the reason many people go back to content once they have got the gear they need. If everyone had them they’d be merely cool cosmetics. At the moment, those who progress through the dungeon get to feel rewarded for doing it.

Everstorm

I would care about this debate but I have yet to see a skin in this game that I actually thought looked good.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

I just want a vampire lord polymorph in the crown store someday

Juhasow

pod88kk wrote: »

No! If you want it, EARN IT!!!!

The point of OP is that You can buy it for crowns anyway with gifting. You earn the gold through gifting and then pay that gold for carry run so in theory if somebody wants he can get vCR HM skin right after getting to lv 50 if he's willing to spend enough money.

blkjag

No

XiDiabolismiX

Whenever I have a really dumb idea, I tend to keep it to myself instead of throwing it out there for tons of people to mock.

Should’ve thought this one through first champ.