so wait... i can change my race but i cant...

Jeremy

Alucardo wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Change to Imperial. They are decent tank race and alliance-free

I think you need a special upgrade for Imperial too. At least you did when I received it

You do now I believe.

Originally the Imperial edition came with the any race any alliance feature. But that's no longer the case.

ShellaSunshine

starkerealm wrote: »

You can, if you have the Any Race/Any Alliance unlock. That was available as a preorder bonus (as part of the Explorer pack), and is available as the Adventurer Pack in the Crown Store.

Actually you cannot do that.

I have the Any Race, Any Alliance Pack.

I made an Orc with the Aldmeri Dominion but when I went to do a race change, I could only choose the races in the Aldmeri Dominion.

In other words, my only choices were Altmer, Bosmer, and Khajiit.

The Any Race, Any Alliance only affects your character upon creating it.

Once you select an Alliance and you decided you do not like the race, you will be locked into ONLY selecting the races in your current Alliance regardless if you have bought the pack.

I did not know this before trying to change my race because it doesn't say anywhere that you will be locked to those races.

Siohwenoeht

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You can, if you have the Any Race/Any Alliance unlock. That was available as a preorder bonus (as part of the Explorer pack), and is available as the Adventurer Pack in the Crown Store.

Actually you cannot do that.

I have the Any Race, Any Alliance Pack.

I made an Orc with the Aldmeri Dominion but when I went to do a race change, I could only choose the races in the Aldmeri Dominion.

In other words, my only choices were Altmer, Bosmer, and Khajiit.

The Any Race, Any Alliance only affects your character upon creating it.

Once you select an Alliance and you decided you do not like the race, you will be locked into ONLY selecting the races in your current Alliance regardless if you have bought the pack.

I did not know this before trying to change my race because it doesn't say anywhere that you will be locked to those races.

Well that is not at all how it is supposed to work... Might need zos to look at that. If you have any race any alliance, it should apply to race change tokens as well... Hope that's an oversight on their part... @ShellaSunshine Did you happen to open a ticket with cs?

Katahdin

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You can, if you have the Any Race/Any Alliance unlock. That was available as a preorder bonus (as part of the Explorer pack), and is available as the Adventurer Pack in the Crown Store.

Actually you cannot do that.

I have the Any Race, Any Alliance Pack.

I made an Orc with the Aldmeri Dominion but when I went to do a race change, I could only choose the races in the Aldmeri Dominion.

In other words, my only choices were Altmer, Bosmer, and Khajiit.

The Any Race, Any Alliance only affects your character upon creating it.

Once you select an Alliance and you decided you do not like the race, you will be locked into ONLY selecting the races in your current Alliance regardless if you have bought the pack.

I did not know this before trying to change my race because it doesn't say anywhere that you will be locked to those races.

No. You can change to ANY race but your alliance remains the same

I have Any Race, Any Alliance. I had an EP dunmer that I changed to Khajiit

Davor

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

for free i can just delete the character and start over

First off, I am not saying you are wrong. So please don't think that. I use to think like that as well. Why pay for half a game to change race. Then I realized something. It's not free. I have restarted so many times and finally hit over 160 after 5 years of playing on and off. So now I realize that it's the time I have spent to get my character to where it is. While we may not pay with money, we pay with time, energy (hydro and our own) blood sweat and tears for some.

We have spent training our horses, researching our skills, earning CP. So for paying what $35 for the race change token for some people may seem like a god send so they don't have to redo the months or years of research, grinding and all that stuff just to get to where they are now.

So if you are a low level character, deleting and making a new one is perfectly fine. We haven't spent much time working on the character but for something that took for, in my case 2 years because I kept restarting all the time, you don't get anywhere.

Would I have bought the race change? Not for $35 Canadian. Thing is, would I now? Maybe. It's either use what I worked so hard for right now, and either quit and buy a new game that I may or may not like. Actually I have taken breaks and bought new games but I am always back here. I tried starting new characters and I just can't go through it anymore. At least with a mage. I do with new characters like Dragon Knight and Night Blade.

I was about to change my mage but with a prcie of $35 it's something I am looking real hard at. So no, depending on level and the comitmint a person has deleting is not free. We pay for it in other ways and it's either pay for 2 movies and 4 hours of watching, or buy a token but same many hours from grinding/training/researching.

Zenimax screwed up big time and still are screwing up because they don't change the wording. I guess a company founded by lawyers, expect everyone to be a lawyer to give Zenimax money. Like how can Gina, Matt etc be proud that so many people still don't understand how the race change token works.

You would think Zenimax by now would have explained better how their system works because, what we read can be interpreted differently especially when there is so many versions of English, even in the US.

That said, I depending if I can afford it (now that money would be better spent else where, not on Elsweyr) because I get more worth and enjoyment. Why it's so expensive? I guess they make enough money on it because people are buying them for the price. Maybe for lots of people it's too much good of a deal to pay $35 instead of starting over again and again.

I wish it was cheaper. It is what it is though. Just look at it on how much time is "worth" to you. Years, months. Or just days and weeks?

ryzen_gamer_gal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JizzeERcZjg

AlnilamE

OP, so you created an AD character and you don't want them to be AD anymore (since you mentioned the Thalmor)?

In that case, yes, deleting and restarting would be your only option.

But if you have the Any Race Any Alliance upgrade, you can have a Khajiit in EP, for example. So they could be a refugee because they see what the Altmer really are like.

Jeremy wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Change to Imperial. They are decent tank race and alliance-free

I think you need a special upgrade for Imperial too. At least you did when I received it

You do now I believe.

Originally the Imperial edition came with the any race any alliance feature. But that's no longer the case.

No, it didn't ARAA was the pre-order bonus, whether you were buying the Imperial Edition or not. I have ARAA, but no Imperial because I don't like the race, and didn't see the usefulness of having a mount when I started.

barney2525

It doesn't make any sense to change Alliance with the race change.

The primary focus of this game is not Race or Class or Skills.

It's the Character's Story.

If I start a character in AD, and work my way through the main questlines, that's a combination of the Alliance quests into Auridon, Mage Guild, Fighters guild, and Main quest. Let's say we use my standard of trying to keep things even, and complete all that is needed to get all the Quests to Grahtwood.

Now I change my race. That's no big deal, because it is still "me". The character is still in the same Alliance, same goals, and continues on without even a hiccup.

However, If I were to somehow change Alliance with this character, that Competely destroys everything. My Quests require me to go to Grahtwood - which is my Capital - But now it's NOT my Capital - and even though my character is an Eye of the Queen of the Dominion, technically, I am now her enemy. To even attempt to follow through on the current quests makes no sense whatsoever. Changing Alliance ruins everything the character has built up to that point.

IN short, there is more to ESO than just numbers, skills and combos. And Alliance IS an integral part of the core of the character.

ShellaSunshine

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You can, if you have the Any Race/Any Alliance unlock. That was available as a preorder bonus (as part of the Explorer pack), and is available as the Adventurer Pack in the Crown Store.

Actually you cannot do that.

I have the Any Race, Any Alliance Pack.

I made an Orc with the Aldmeri Dominion but when I went to do a race change, I could only choose the races in the Aldmeri Dominion.

In other words, my only choices were Altmer, Bosmer, and Khajiit.

The Any Race, Any Alliance only affects your character upon creating it.

Once you select an Alliance and you decided you do not like the race, you will be locked into ONLY selecting the races in your current Alliance regardless if you have bought the pack.

I did not know this before trying to change my race because it doesn't say anywhere that you will be locked to those races.

Well that is not at all how it is supposed to work... Might need zos to look at that. If you have any race any alliance, it should apply to race change tokens as well... Hope that's an oversight on their part... @ShellaSunshine Did you happen to open a ticket with cs?

I have reported it and they told me it was working as intended.

I was told the Any Race, Any alliance only affects the character you have created. It does not give you the chance to change your race at a later time to any race from any alliance.

This was last summer. That was the response I got.

JumpmanLane

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

but i cant change it to a race in a different alliance from the one the character is currently in before the race change? What sense does that make? What's even the point of that?

We do not need turncoats in Aldmeri Dominion.... Death to the Blues and Reds

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The game is designed that way, as it affects your Mainline line story location, Cadwel Silver/Gold among other things.
Technically it would me a nightmare.

Yeah you just need a 100 Zerglings to kill anybody. The only PcNA AD I know LEGIT 1vX Es always whines when he dies to said X lol.

lokulin

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I find race changing offensive and antithetical to the whole RP portion of MMORPG. I'm not an RP'er but I do like the story content of a story and I always find it really weird that you can change your race. Logically speaking changing your class makes far more sense than changing a race. I know a lot of people appreciate the ability to do so for POWERGAMING reasons and that is understandable. I've played with races who performed abysmally for years mainly because I refuse to pay for bad balance choices on ZoS parts. My solution has always been to play another character until the balance comes back around. Thanks to many balance changes they have fixed that mostly. Argonians are still in a bad place however and are the race that has been consistently bad for years. It is my hope they step away from the bad balance decisions for that race (which I think is thrust upon them because of the potion passive). There are really two reasons that bother me about race changing: Theme & Balance. I've spoken about theme already. Balance is actually the bigger concern. You make a character and its race for style which is part of the fun/fluff side of the game. The balance concern is a larger one because a system where they can sell you race changes means they have good reason to UNBALANCE races so that players will regularly pay to swap races. This is not a good thing. A consistently balanced system is much more warranted. Paying the developer to mess the game up is not a good thing.

In my head, race change occurs when your mortal form dies, and perhaps because of all the daedric power flowing around due to the plane meld, your animus reforms in a different body. I agree tho, it seems off that you can change race but not alliance. Spies and shifting alliances are a thing easily explained, changing race, appearance and sex takes more mental gymnastics.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

lokulin wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I find race changing offensive and antithetical to the whole RP portion of MMORPG. I'm not an RP'er but I do like the story content of a story and I always find it really weird that you can change your race. Logically speaking changing your class makes far more sense than changing a race. I know a lot of people appreciate the ability to do so for POWERGAMING reasons and that is understandable. I've played with races who performed abysmally for years mainly because I refuse to pay for bad balance choices on ZoS parts. My solution has always been to play another character until the balance comes back around. Thanks to many balance changes they have fixed that mostly. Argonians are still in a bad place however and are the race that has been consistently bad for years. It is my hope they step away from the bad balance decisions for that race (which I think is thrust upon them because of the potion passive). There are really two reasons that bother me about race changing: Theme & Balance. I've spoken about theme already. Balance is actually the bigger concern. You make a character and its race for style which is part of the fun/fluff side of the game. The balance concern is a larger one because a system where they can sell you race changes means they have good reason to UNBALANCE races so that players will regularly pay to swap races. This is not a good thing. A consistently balanced system is much more warranted. Paying the developer to mess the game up is not a good thing.

In my head, race change occurs when your mortal form dies, and perhaps because of all the daedric power flowing around due to the plane meld, your animus reforms in a different body. I agree tho, it seems off that you can change race but not alliance. Spies and shifting alliances are a thing easily explained, changing race, appearance and sex takes more mental gymnastics.

Not going to lie, but that reincarnation idea sounds lit

Nimrhys

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

Nimrhys wrote: »

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

but if i get the any alliance any race, then when i change the race to one from another alliance, the default alliance for the race i choose will not be in effect but remain as it was before.

i guess ill just delete the toons in question and start over.

What does changing Alliances actually do for you since One Tamriel, though?

who cares. if you played skyrim you know the thalmor are straight up bonkers. maybe worse than the dwarves. the dwarves only wiped themselves out. the thalmor want to take all of nirn with them.

Sorry, how does that relate to anything?

kmcaj

barney2525 wrote: »

It doesn't make any sense to change Alliance with the race change.

The primary focus of this game is not Race or Class or Skills.

It's the Character's Story.

If I start a character in AD, and work my way through the main questlines, that's a combination of the Alliance quests into Auridon, Mage Guild, Fighters guild, and Main quest. Let's say we use my standard of trying to keep things even, and complete all that is needed to get all the Quests to Grahtwood.

Now I change my race. That's no big deal, because it is still "me". The character is still in the same Alliance, same goals, and continues on without even a hiccup.

However, If I were to somehow change Alliance with this character, that Competely destroys everything. My Quests require me to go to Grahtwood - which is my Capital - But now it's NOT my Capital - and even though my character is an Eye of the Queen of the Dominion, technically, I am now her enemy. To even attempt to follow through on the current quests makes no sense whatsoever. Changing Alliance ruins everything the character has built up to that point.

IN short, there is more to ESO than just numbers, skills and combos. And Alliance IS an integral part of the core of the character.

Doesn't address the issue most people have with this. They don't care about changing Alliance. They just want to be able to pick a different race thats not in the current Alliance without being swindled out of more cash to do so.

Everything you wrote makes sense though.

Raudgrani

Alliance change tokens, yes...

Casterial

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

but i cant change it to a race in a different alliance from the one the character is currently in before the race change? What sense does that make? What's even the point of that?

This is the only aspect still bleeding into "Factions" outside of Cyrodiil, I wish they kept it like this and only as a pre-order bonus.. lol

starkerealm

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

You can, if you have the Any Race/Any Alliance unlock. That was available as a preorder bonus (as part of the Explorer pack), and is available as the Adventurer Pack in the Crown Store.

Actually you cannot do that.

I have the Any Race, Any Alliance Pack.

I made an Orc with the Aldmeri Dominion but when I went to do a race change, I could only choose the races in the Aldmeri Dominion.

In other words, my only choices were Altmer, Bosmer, and Khajiit.

The Any Race, Any Alliance only affects your character upon creating it.

Once you select an Alliance and you decided you do not like the race, you will be locked into ONLY selecting the races in your current Alliance regardless if you have bought the pack.

I did not know this before trying to change my race because it doesn't say anywhere that you will be locked to those races.

I racechanged a Dominion Bosmer to a Dominion Nord using one of the tokens.

Just logged onto my alt account, and experimented with the unused tokens. It was quite happy to let me pick from any of the ten races for my characters.

Maybe you didn't have any race/any alliance, somehow? (For reference my alt account has the Adventurer's Pack, my main account has the Explorer's Pack. So this isn't an issue with one version vs. the other.)

One possibility is that you bought the game with the Explorer pack, refunded it, then repurchased the game later. That might have stripped ARAA off your account, meaning you couldn't use it now. But, that's the only idea I can think of. Check in game, and see if you actually have the Any Race/Any Alliance unlock in your collection.