Elsweyr DPS and smell of "pay to win"

Jagdkommando

So what we have at the moment, on trial new dummy 20m HP, stamblade giving 75-80k dps stamnecro 100k+

What i want to say guys, at a first glance ESO is extremely good mmo at the moment, BUT before every chapter/DLC we have new nerfs to old things because of upcoming purchases of players.... i think this is tacit "pay to win" things, also after 5 years they changing crucial things for MMO, race passives, ENTIRE skills, established builds and many many other thigs, i doubt that ZOS doesnt have competent employees for calculating balance. So you got my point.
Also some say that overall dps is too high in the game and i agree with it, so what, ZOS nerfing and nerfing things, but again under raid buffs we have 80 - 100k+ dps, this is not healthy
Also its not healthy changing everything in every single patch. I have kinda feeling that after 5 years of game they still dont know what to do, what is right and what is wrong...


I dont know guys, i have feeling that game is going in wrong direction. I saw this kind of things in too many mmo games i played. Most of them failed and some even closed....

Myrkgrav

Are you implying the p2w is that they are trying to push people to purchase Necro because of nerfs elsewhere and that makes it P2W?

Onefrkncrzypope

Necro is a pet build. Pets are broken on pts. Wait till next week to scream p2w

MartiniDaniels

Well, this is first week of PTS, if necro will be outdpsing everything on 20%+ obviously class will be nerfed before release.

Jagdkommando

Myrkgrav wrote: »

Are you implying the p2w is that they are trying to push people to purchase Necro because of nerfs elsewhere and that makes it P2W?

Yes, its not right to make people buy new things because old ones are not top, they need to make good balance between all classes and all races

JinMori

There is a bug, pets crit 100% of the time, and necro has a lot of "pets" take 10k out from the parses you see.

Myrkgrav

Jagdkommando wrote: »

Myrkgrav wrote: »

Are you implying the p2w is that they are trying to push people to purchase Necro because of nerfs elsewhere and that makes it P2W?

Yes, its not right to make people buy new things because old ones are not top, they need to make good balance between all classes and all races

I sincerely sincerely doubt people will abandon their other characters just because the new class is enjoyable lol. They will balance it all out. That's why PTS exists.

Jagdkommando

Myrkgrav wrote: »

Jagdkommando wrote: »

Myrkgrav wrote: »

Are you implying the p2w is that they are trying to push people to purchase Necro because of nerfs elsewhere and that makes it P2W?

Yes, its not right to make people buy new things because old ones are not top, they need to make good balance between all classes and all races

I sincerely sincerely doubt people will abandon their other characters just because the new class is enjoyable lol. They will balance it all out. That's why PTS exists.

Will see

kylewwefan

I saw the 104 parse and the DK 500. The new dummy is broke and they even said so. Besides. Everyone is gonna be playing Necro. They should let it out op af. Then nerf the daylights out of it in 6 months.

Jagdkommando

kylewwefan wrote: »

I saw the 104 parse and the DK 500. The new dummy is broke and they even said so. Besides. Everyone is gonna be playing Necro. They should let it out op af. Then nerf the daylights out of it in 6 months.

Sure i understand it mate, but do u think this is right? It feels like they created new class and all the new things and put into PTS WITHOUT any tests...

Ace_SiN

Making a lot of changes for each expansion (or leading up to it) is actually common. The king of MMOs (WoW) has been doing it for over a decade. When the META stays the same people always complain about how stale the game is. Nonetheless, ESO has always been a balancing nightmare, but at least they're finally trying to make sense out of it. Necro will undoubtedly release in a strong state and anything overbearing will be brought down over time. New classes are the flagship for any expansion, so it's smarter to err on the side of strong than weak.

My point: If you have issues about class changes then state them, but conspiracy theories about classes being nerfed because there is a new class are nonsensical. Nerfs were not necessary to sell the Warden or now Necro (and it's not like the vanilla classes haven't been hammered and reworked before them). If you want the reasons for the nerfs, I point you to all the forum posters that come here complaining about x being OP because they died to it or couldn't kill a player because of it. I'll use the entire history of Sorc, DK, and Nightblade before Warden was announced as my evidence (Templars have always been the red headed step child).

Mudcrabber

There was also a dk parse over 500k. It's maybe too soon to judge.

Jagdkommando

Yes, but we can see most people dont like new changes, i dont say nerfs, because nerfs too are kinda changes right? So they dont have to change everything all the time, tbh this game is more about lore and roleplay rather than min/maxing everything.

LiquidPony

Mudcrabber wrote: »

There was also a dk parse over 500k. It's maybe too soon to judge.

I mean it's kind of irrelevant because of the Engulfing Flames bug. That was the result people exploiting a known bug on the Trial dummy to cheese their parses.

But to the original question, I don't think the Necro is really that OP. It's definitely very strong but the fact that all of the summoned minion skills are doing 100% crit is significantly inflating DPS.

I also don't really agree with the parse numbers you're claiming here. Using the same conditions (the Perfected Lokkeblahblah and parse food) stamblades are hitting more than 75-80k. I would think that 85k+ is probably more realistic.

Bladerunner1

There are so many bugs right now that meaningful discussion on balance on the PTS is kind of moot.