What about Magicka Wardens?

bharathitman

After the current patch notes Magicka Wardens really feel like a meme class & playstyle. Especially in PvE there is no reason to play a magicka warden anymore unless for emotional reasons. mDKs, magplars, magblades and magsorcs are in a decent position (or atleast slightly easier to play) for PvE DPS now, but magdens really didn't get their much needed buffs. The rotation is really complicated to pull in an actual raid environment, even then the DPS is no way near magplars or blades.
Hopefully magdens will be a second look in the future pts cycles

MLGProPlayer

Lowest DPS
Lowest utility

That's been their profile for 2 years now. There has not been a single patch since the class launched where it wasn't the lowest DPS/lowest utility class.

I always find it comical when I see NBs or sorcs crying after a nerf, while wardens have never known anything but the bottom of the barrel.

Tryxus

I highly doubt it really.

Magicka Warden's been ignored or straight up nerfed (collateral damage since the nerfs were mostly aimed at Stamden) over and over again with each update that I doubt ZOS will do anything about it. This update is no different: changes were once again done from a Stamina POV

pauli133

They've got all the things wrong right now: poor damage, complicated rotations, abilities with delays (with reset-on-recast!), abilities with little or no feedback...

O drawing board, where art thou?

Lughlongarm

Not sure what they are going with here. Always thought stamina wardens were the strong pvp monster while magicka wardens were OK but not as fearsome. With the upcoming changes, magicka wardens are losing some of their core strengths, like snares capabilities, burst capabilities(blockable Deep Fissure), Major defile skill etc... Even the birds of pray buff while being good, is very competitive to the new Race Against Time skill and obviously we can't take both. none of pain point were rally addressed. On the other hand, Stamina wardens are getting extra 20k+ heal, stamina wardens will benefit more from the birds of pray buff, best snare option in the game now is gap closer spam and ofc they didn't touch Fury/ Seventh Legion.

MLGProPlayer

Lughlongarm wrote: »

none of pain point were rally addressed

I love how the class reps tell ZOS every meeting what the pain points for warden are (they are dead last in PvE usage), and ZOS COMPLETELY ignores them.

They have to be trolling us at this point. There is no other explanation.

Tasear

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

none of pain point were rally addressed

I love how the class reps tell ZOS every meeting what the pain points for warden are (they are dead last in PvE usage), and ZOS COMPLETELY ignores them.

They have to be trolling us at this point. There is no other explanation.

Would be addressed in balancing Nightblade DPS. Magicka warden now is only class with minor berserk.

validifyedneb18_ESO

I feel like we see a lot of these sorts of threads, and the reality may just be that, with a couple notable exceptions, most classes and class design is just sub par.

I was thinking about it the other day, most of what other games use to create class identity just isnt done by ZOS, due to ESOs design. Take for example the general "feel" of a class, how do you even design that in a game where you are (supposedly) supposed to be able to pick and choose from a pool of dozens of abilities any of which could (theoretically) be used in a rotation?

Freedom is slavery my dudes. Freedom has led to a game where everything plays the same.

DarkPicture

About who?

Faulgor

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

I feel like we see a lot of these sorts of threads, and the reality may just be that, with a couple notable exceptions, most classes and class design is just sub par.

I was thinking about it the other day, most of what other games use to create class identity just isnt done by ZOS, due to ESOs design. Take for example the general "feel" of a class, how do you even design that in a game where you are (supposedly) supposed to be able to pick and choose from a pool of dozens of abilities any of which could (theoretically) be used in a rotation?

Freedom is slavery my dudes. Freedom has led to a game where everything plays the same.

You could make it work quite well with proper and interesting passives. Like Sorcerers are benefiting more from lightning skills, and Wardens from frost.
Problem is that most class passives are boring as hell and the synergy outside of class skills just isn't there, e.g. with frost staffs being crap for damage and lightning being overshadowed by inferno, etc.

HankTwo

I still think arctic blast needs some damage, doesn't even need to be much. Why they instead increase the heal over time is beyond me. The class feels pretty neglected this patch (again)...

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

What is this mythical beastie you speak of? MAGICKA Warden?? Surely you jest

ESO_Nightingale

Tasear wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

none of pain point were rally addressed

I love how the class reps tell ZOS every meeting what the pain points for warden are (they are dead last in PvE usage), and ZOS COMPLETELY ignores them.

They have to be trolling us at this point. There is no other explanation.

Would be addressed in balancing Nightblade DPS. Magicka warden now is only class with minor berserk.

Just make your healers run combat prayer. Not 100% uptime but it will still be good and better than warden dps XD. Oh well stamden is okay. But not magden. Not at all

OlumoGarbag

Buff magicka bear ult! As easy as that. No one uses it in pvp bc its buggy as funk and it would balance out magden pve dps

Chufu

Tasear wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

none of pain point were rally addressed

I love how the class reps tell ZOS every meeting what the pain points for warden are (they are dead last in PvE usage), and ZOS COMPLETELY ignores them.

They have to be trolling us at this point. There is no other explanation.

Would be addressed in balancing Nightblade DPS. Magicka warden now is only class with minor berserk.

That is not a buff for the warden, because they have it at the moment as well.

This was just a nerf for Nightblade...

I have given up trying to play my warden as Magicka because of the above mentioned reasons, play bow-bow-warden instead, but I still have the problem that raidleaders are concerned about bringing stamina into vCR+3. Still working on some convincing things to show that you can survive there as well!

Urvoth

They’re the strongest pvp class atm though.

_Ahala_

Why do people think magden is fine for pve cause it’s good in pvp? I hate to break it to you but it’s also been crap in solo pvp without the masters shock staff since Summerset... and with the nerfs to fissure, sleet storm, and pollen next patch it’s gonna be mudcrab tier

pauli133

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Buff magicka bear ult! As easy as that. No one uses it in pvp bc its buggy as funk and it would balance out magden pve dps

I really, really don't want to give up both ult slots and rely on a flaky bear in order to perform adequately.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Falcon's swift got a 2 second buff... Not enough for you ?

BrokenGameMechanics

Tasear wrote: »

Would be addressed in balancing Nightblade DPS. Magicka warden now is only class with minor berserk.

Minor Berserk doesn't mean anything. Since it has been there since the beginning they tune the damage done by the class assuming Minor Berserk is present. It was nerfed when they reduced it to a 1-bar buff (unless you double slot) from a 2-bar buff last time.

IF they were to drop it from the class at this time it would be a nerf just like what is happening with NB. The most interesting aspect of it being the only class with Minor Berserk is that it sort of encourages folk to go "off warden" in their builds as the class DPS skills are tuned assuming the buff while the non-class skill lines are cross class.

BrokenGameMechanics

_Ahala_ wrote: »

... and with the nerfs to fissure, sleet storm, and pollen next patch it’s gonna be mudcrab tier

I've been playing Magden in PVP for quite awhile now with a Frost focused build. Crap DPS but the Immobilizes and Snares are super effective to counter the streakers and cloakers which are just rampant in PVP. Not uncommon at all to require 3-5 players spending minutes to run down a single streaker/cloaker. With a Frost Mage you had a shot of eventually running the guy down ... but no more.

It's bad that they just carpet bombed this all away with the Immobilize Immunity and large reductions in Frost status effects probability. The few Frost skills plus Ice Staff does absolute crap for damage in PVP but there was a great deal of satisfaction in the tactical play of Snare/Immobilize plus as an somewhat effective Streaker/Cloaker counter build.

It is over for the Magden Frost build in PVP now. To layer on top of the Frost Mag hits a whole second tier of the above additional set of Nerfs it is pretty clear that the Magden Frost build and play style has received as major across the board series of heavy nerfs as any class/build has ever seen in a single release.

Really hard to believe that Magden, MAGDEN, is being hit at least, if not harder, then NB this release. Magden, yet, another set of heavy nerfs ... it sort of boggles.

You heard it hear first and take it the bank. PVP this release is going to EXPLODE with Streaking Sorcs EVERYWHERE.

sage2000

Urvoth wrote: »

They’re the strongest pvp class atm though.

One of the strongest in BGs perhaps where things are more confined and there are choke points galore. Not in open world though, with no execute and the requirement that people stand in your strongest ability for few ticks for it to do anything, because it's an AOE DOT.

sage2000

Lughlongarm wrote: »

Not sure what they are going with here. Always thought stamina wardens were the strong pvp monster while magicka wardens were OK but not as fearsome. With the upcoming changes, magicka wardens are losing some of their core strengths, like snares capabilities, burst capabilities(blockable Deep Fissure), Major defile skill etc... Even the birds of pray buff while being good, is very competitive to the new Race Against Time skill and obviously we can't take both. none of pain point were rally addressed. On the other hand, Stamina wardens are getting extra 20k+ heal, stamina wardens will benefit more from the birds of pray buff, best snare option in the game now is gap closer spam and ofc they didn't touch Fury/ Seventh Legion.

Also one thing people may have missed in the patch note is that corrupting pollen is getting nerfed. On live, the defile lasts four seconds. On PTS the defile goes away as soon as people step out of the AOE. In other words it's being made useless. I suppose to make the defile on Necro more appealing...

spacebandit

The good news is I’m not tempted to make my Warden a Khajit like I have on my other classes that have a Magicka spec.

MLGProPlayer

Tasear wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

none of pain point were rally addressed

I love how the class reps tell ZOS every meeting what the pain points for warden are (they are dead last in PvE usage), and ZOS COMPLETELY ignores them.

They have to be trolling us at this point. There is no other explanation.

Would be addressed in balancing Nightblade DPS. Magicka warden now is only class with minor berserk.

They are still dead last in DPS though so it doesn't matter. It also wastes 2 ability slots. And MB is actively applied in group content by the support.

ESO_Nightingale

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Falcon's swift got a 2 second buff... Not enough for you ?

guess you haven't seen race against time.