Hey Devs - Just go ahead and Delete Nightblade Class.

WillhelmBlack

Love it.

FleetwoodSmack

Gnozo wrote: »

Dont really know what all this hate is about. Nightblades were top in pve and pvp and are now just more equal to other classes.

PvE wise they lost minor berserk but gained a unique debuff on surprise attack to reduce resistences even more.

PvP wise stamblades are still strong and the tradeoff from defile to mangle isnt a nerf at all. Mangle gets really effective the more health your target got. And at 20k health the 10% already are 2k less health.

Lost of Minor endurance. Invest some more into Recovery, its not like you already get 15% more Recovery with passives anyway No?

Also you got minor Vulnerability now wich is even more damage increase due to recent changes to Vulnerability calculation.

Fear. Lost snare and Main but fears Up to 6!!! Targets and locks them in place. You still get main by your Shadow wich now even deals increased damage on stam builds.

Drain power simply buffed.

So in general you lost mainly minor berserk but got minor Vulnerability. Its bound to a pvp skill but also remember, nbs dont need to slot an armor buff compared to other classes and still get it. :P

In pve, oh no. 8% less dps while being the number 1 dps class for 2 years now.... Zeni pls delete the class, its useless

Oooooh my god that Drain Power buff tho. Trust and belieeeeeeve I'm going to be spam-hamming that.

As for Minor Berserk, eh. There's another way. Combat Prayer. But, you know... That'd require certain 'nightblades' to actually 'participate' in 'group' play.

Thanatos_inside

Gnozo wrote: »

Dont really know what all this hate is about. Nightblades were top in pve and pvp and are now just more equal to other classes.

PvE wise they lost minor berserk but gained a unique debuff on surprise attack to reduce resistences even more.

PvP wise stamblades are still strong and the tradeoff from defile to mangle isnt a nerf at all. Mangle gets really effective the more health your target got. And at 20k health the 10% already are 2k less health.

Lost of Minor endurance. Invest some more into Recovery, its not like you already get 15% more Recovery with passives anyway No?

Also you got minor Vulnerability now wich is even more damage increase due to recent changes to Vulnerability calculation.

Fear. Lost snare and Main but fears Up to 6!!! Targets and locks them in place. You still get main by your Shadow wich now even deals increased damage on stam builds.

Drain power simply buffed.

So in general you lost mainly minor berserk but got minor Vulnerability. Its bound to a pvp skill but also remember, nbs dont need to slot an armor buff compared to other classes and still get it. :P

In pve, oh no. 8% less dps while being the number 1 dps class for 2 years now.... Zeni pls delete the class, its useless

are u even seriously?

Gnozo

Thanatos_inside wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Dont really know what all this hate is about. Nightblades were top in pve and pvp and are now just more equal to other classes.

PvE wise they lost minor berserk but gained a unique debuff on surprise attack to reduce resistences even more.

PvP wise stamblades are still strong and the tradeoff from defile to mangle isnt a nerf at all. Mangle gets really effective the more health your target got. And at 20k health the 10% already are 2k less health.

Lost of Minor endurance. Invest some more into Recovery, its not like you already get 15% more Recovery with passives anyway No?

Also you got minor Vulnerability now wich is even more damage increase due to recent changes to Vulnerability calculation.

Fear. Lost snare and Main but fears Up to 6!!! Targets and locks them in place. You still get main by your Shadow wich now even deals increased damage on stam builds.

Drain power simply buffed.

So in general you lost mainly minor berserk but got minor Vulnerability. Its bound to a pvp skill but also remember, nbs dont need to slot an armor buff compared to other classes and still get it. :P

In pve, oh no. 8% less dps while being the number 1 dps class for 2 years now.... Zeni pls delete the class, its useless

are u even serius?

Yes, i am. Tell me why your Nightblade is unplayable now. Cause you lost some damage buffs? Oh No

#sadlife

FleetwoodSmack

Gnozo wrote: »

Thanatos_inside wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Dont really know what all this hate is about. Nightblades were top in pve and pvp and are now just more equal to other classes.

PvE wise they lost minor berserk but gained a unique debuff on surprise attack to reduce resistences even more.

PvP wise stamblades are still strong and the tradeoff from defile to mangle isnt a nerf at all. Mangle gets really effective the more health your target got. And at 20k health the 10% already are 2k less health.

Lost of Minor endurance. Invest some more into Recovery, its not like you already get 15% more Recovery with passives anyway No?

Also you got minor Vulnerability now wich is even more damage increase due to recent changes to Vulnerability calculation.

Fear. Lost snare and Main but fears Up to 6!!! Targets and locks them in place. You still get main by your Shadow wich now even deals increased damage on stam builds.

Drain power simply buffed.

So in general you lost mainly minor berserk but got minor Vulnerability. Its bound to a pvp skill but also remember, nbs dont need to slot an armor buff compared to other classes and still get it. :P

In pve, oh no. 8% less dps while being the number 1 dps class for 2 years now.... Zeni pls delete the class, its useless

are u even serius?

Yes, i am. Tell me why your Nightblade is unplayable now. Cause you lost some damage buffs? Oh No

#sadlife

ACTUALLY...


It's unplayble right now because I'm downloading the PTS.

#oof

frostz417

Cry

craybest

i play only PVE and i'm pretty sick of PVP shaping the nerfs to my favorite class

Eweroun

You probably can't even imagine how hard DK has already been nerfed compared to the start of the game.

They still run all over Tamriel in every form and still can do a very nice portion of DPS...


So like said.. Just give it a little bit of time so everyone can find the sweet spots after the changes and I bet we 'll have super DPS builds in no time again

Peekachu99

Why post hyperbolic and asinine threads like this? What sort of meaningful dialog or changes do you expect to occur when you act like a screaming toddler?

Also, the changes are far more positive than negative and that’s something we NEVER saw during King Wrobel the Destroyer’s reign.

dmvab

I cried reading that notes. They severely nerfed nightblade like never happened before with other classes. Maybe some dev got ganked multiple times by some nb, probably... lol

LordTareq

dmvab wrote: »

I cried reading that notes. They severely nerfed nightblade like never happened before with other classes. Maybe some dev got ganked multiple times by some nb, probably... lol

Meanwhile half the DK arsenal got buffed, such an underperforming class lol

Gnozo

Wow this Community. Every nb main runs around crying on how unplayable their class is now. How broken und utter garbage now.

Give some facts on WHY it is *** now.

Lost major fracture?
- PvE, there is a tank for this debuff and you can now reduce resistences even further with the unique debuff
- PvP, you saying your 13k-16k tooltip isnt enough and needs major fracture in addition to even tickle someone? Really?

Lost minor berserk?
- PvP, you gained Minor Vulnerability wich is even stronger due to recent Vulnerability Changes
- PvE, your healer doesnt use combat prayer? No?

Lost minor endurance?
- PvP, just put one Recovery glyph instead of weapon damage, not really a big Deal.... Come in
- PvE, you already got the best sustain out of all dps, i think you can handle 10% less Recovery

Lost snare and main on Fear?
- PvP, you can now fear Up to 6 targets and lock them in place. Thats a CC for 6 players. Jesus. Minor Maim still comes from shadow wich deals now increased damage on stam builds
- PvE.....

So, some damage nerfs here and there but nothing that rips this class and make it unplayable. Will still be a high tier pve/pvp class

FleetwoodSmack

Gnozo wrote: »

Wow this Community. Every nb main runs around crying on how unplayable their class is now. How broken und utter garbage now.

Give some facts on WHY it is *** now.

Lost major fracture?
- PvE, there is a tank for this debuff and you can now reduce resistences even further with the unique debuff
- PvP, you saying your 13k-16k tooltip isnt enough and needs major fracture in addition to even tickle someone? Really?

Lost minor berserk?
- PvP, you gained Minor Vulnerability wich is even stronger due to recent Vulnerability Changes
- PvE, your healer doesnt use combat prayer? No?

Lost minor endurance?
- PvP, just put one Recovery glyph instead of weapon damage, not really a big Deal.... Come in
- PvE, you already got the best sustain out of all dps, i think you can handle 10% less Recovery

Lost snare and main on Fear?
- PvP, you can now fear Up to 6 targets and lock them in place. Thats a CC for 6 players. Jesus. Minor Maim still comes from shadow wich deals now increased damage on stam builds
- PvE.....

So, some damage nerfs here and there but nothing that rips this class and make it unplayable. Will still be a high tier pve/pvp class

You forgot the Dark Cloak nerf. While I main a mageblade (and a Mageblade Argonian to boot)...

Literally not one thing in there makes her any worse than what she already is. Some of those things actually made her better. It's going to be hard, because if I get the hang of Necro... I'm prolly just gonna main them both. But other NB mainers?

Tasear

Nightblades have always been hot class. The changes for tank make way more sense.

BomblePants

If you’ve played this game for any length of time you will know that this cycling of the classes happens ALL THE TIME....

My main is and always has been a NB but I also have other classes I can play if I really can’t shuffle a few things around and make it work...

Neoealth

When the salt is so high you need 2 identical threads.

MikaHR

NBs need some more nerfs.

Reverb

Lab3360 wrote: »

You may as well since you took away every thing that made it effective.
You even took away the self heal for Nightblade tanks and converted it to a 600 hot. I mean really?

Since they wont function anymore, just go ahead and delete the class from the game.

Youre Welcome

I’ve seen a lot of outrage on the forums from you since the pts notes posted. What I haven’t seen is evidence that you’ve actually played the changes on pts. Once you’ve don’t that show us your parses in live and on pts (after adapting your build for the changes). Put up or shut up.

Browiseth

not like we ever noticed them with how they're always invisible anyway

zing!

weedgenius

Players: Magblades are overpowered!

-ZOS does stuff-

Players: Magblades are dead!

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Lab3360 wrote: »

You may as well since you took away every thing that made it effective.
You even took away the self heal for Nightblade tanks and converted it to a 600 hot. I mean really?

Since they wont function anymore, just go ahead and delete the class from the game.

Youre Welcome

damn so I was generous with my math when I said the max it can get with all effects is 2300/s...cuz that's what a tank needs when taking 30k hits every 2 seconds...a self heal that can heal up to 2300 per second for 8 seconds! good job zos...u forced me back to stamblade...and then u didn't forget to also gut the dps aspect as well...well good for you...not giving up and il still make it work.

Lab3360

Reverb wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

You may as well since you took away every thing that made it effective.
You even took away the self heal for Nightblade tanks and converted it to a 600 hot. I mean really?

Since they wont function anymore, just go ahead and delete the class from the game.

Youre Welcome

I’ve seen a lot of outrage on the forums from you since the pts notes posted. What I haven’t seen is evidence that you’ve actually played the changes on pts. Once you’ve don’t that show us your parses in live and on pts (after adapting your build for the changes). Put up or shut up.

You dont need pts to test tanking. Learn to read before you start hurling unintelligible insults due to bad comprehension.

Lab3360

Hallothiel wrote: »

Ffs. It’s not the end of the world!

Change & adapt. Or do you only play the meta / build you got from Alcast?!

And my main is a stamblade that has been through it all over the years but still viable so stop fretting!

Ok. We will give you the opportunity to build a nightblade tank with an emergency burst heal. If you can do that, Ivwill agree with you.

No proc sets like juggernaut nor earthgoer because the cant be in demand. No Accelerated Drain because it can be interrupted.

This youre chance to show us why you know it will still be viable.

I mean you must know something we dont to make that statement.

Reverb

Lab3360 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

You may as well since you took away every thing that made it effective.
You even took away the self heal for Nightblade tanks and converted it to a 600 hot. I mean really?

Since they wont function anymore, just go ahead and delete the class from the game.

Youre Welcome

I’ve seen a lot of outrage on the forums from you since the pts notes posted. What I haven’t seen is evidence that you’ve actually played the changes on pts. Once you’ve don’t that show us your parses in live and on pts (after adapting your build for the changes). Put up or shut up.

You dont need pts to test tanking. Learn to read before you start hurling unintelligible insults due to bad comprehension.

My insults were (and are) intelligible, and my comprehension is strong. You however are either unwilling or unable to back up your stance by experiencing it.

Over the years I have raged and railed against class and skill changes Zeni has made. The difference is that I always tested them rather than reacting to text without actually experiencing the impact on my gameplay. Yes I formed assumptions based on the patch notes before testing, sometimes my assumptions were confirmed, sometimes not. Sometimes I needed to make minor changes to return to my pre-change performance.

Until you’re willing to do the same, we can assume that you’re just tilting at windmills.

Odovacar

Of course I just made my first PvE stamblade a few months ago...never fails haha. Don't worry OP we will ALL survive.

Lab3360

Reverb wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

You may as well since you took away every thing that made it effective.
You even took away the self heal for Nightblade tanks and converted it to a 600 hot. I mean really?

Since they wont function anymore, just go ahead and delete the class from the game.

Youre Welcome

I’ve seen a lot of outrage on the forums from you since the pts notes posted. What I haven’t seen is evidence that you’ve actually played the changes on pts. Once you’ve don’t that show us your parses in live and on pts (after adapting your build for the changes). Put up or shut up.

You dont need pts to test tanking. Learn to read before you start hurling unintelligible insults due to bad comprehension.

My insults were (and are) intelligible, and my comprehension is strong. You however are either unwilling or unable to back up your stance by experiencing it.

Over the years I have raged and railed against class and skill changes Zeni has made. The difference is that I always tested them rather than reacting to text without actually experiencing the impact on my gameplay. Yes I formed assumptions based on the patch notes before testing, sometimes my assumptions were confirmed, sometimes not. Sometimes I needed to make minor changes to return to my pre-change performance.

Until you’re willing to do the same, we can assume that you’re just tilting at windmills.

Fyi. I have tested tanking Nightblade without The Burst Heal. Have you? I doubt it. I have tanked Nightblade from the very launch of this game. Have you? I doubt it.
Let me help you here.

The class cannot tank effifiently without a burst self heal. Thats tanking 101.
You can talk all around the subject all you want with hyperbole and and youre what nots and youre Zeni's.

Fact of the matter is Nightblade tanking has also been gutted.

Huyen

Lab3360 wrote: »

You may as well since you took away every thing that made it effective.
You even took away the self heal for Nightblade tanks and converted it to a 600 hot. I mean really?

Since they wont function anymore, just go ahead and delete the class from the game.

Youre Welcome

As nb tank I fear the worst. Nb tanks used to be great self healing tanks before they nerfed saptanking and now this...RIP indeed...

antihero727

Nerf Sorc!!!

max_only

SkerKro wrote: »

Other Classes: Damn, more Nerfs...

Every single SORC Ever: LulZ! Adapts skrubz! urs clazzes 2OPs!

Other Classes: Okay... Turn around is fair play when it comes back around to you.

SORCSs: lululululululz!
--
5.0 PTS

Other Classes: Hmm Interesting.. agree and disagree on many things, lets see how it plays out...

SORCSs: No not Interesting! The End is upon us! These nerfs! Broken! Fake news! Stage 4 Windmill Cancer! /wrists

Other Classes: Adapt Scrubs. Reap what you sowed.

ftfy

Huyen wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

You may as well since you took away every thing that made it effective.
You even took away the self heal for Nightblade tanks and converted it to a 600 hot. I mean really?

Since they wont function anymore, just go ahead and delete the class from the game.

Youre Welcome

As nb tank I fear the worst. Nb tanks used to be great self healing tanks before they nerfed saptanking and now this...RIP indeed...

Been dead long time. What is dead can’t die again

Nb players have long been masochists, nothing has changed.

luizpaulom17

The Butthurt is strong among the angry ones here!

NB still is one of the best DPS class in the game, but keep on the tears if U will, wont change much since ZOS is doing a decent job balancing the game for the very first time!

And with servers full more than one month before the new Exp, those ignorant enough to quit wont be missed at all! So bye salty ones!