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Thank you for Shieldbreaker changes
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juhislihis19✭✭✭✭Nonsense. This set was solely designed for the shield stacking, bunny hopping sorcs without their own skill toolkit. In the past few weeks petsorcs have been awfully broken, and I've seen shield stacking become a trend again for the unskilled.
Shieldbreaker was the set for unskilled designed to be used against shield stacking, unskilled players. Now they just removed the other. -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭juhislihis19 wrote: »Nonsense. This set was solely designed for the shield stacking, bunny hopping sorcs without their own skill toolkit. In the past few weeks petsorcs have been awfully broken, and I've seen shield stacking become a trend again for the unskilled.
Shieldbreaker was the set for unskilled designed to be used against shield stacking, unskilled players. Now they just removed the other.
Shieldbreaker User spotted Here.
You still get a 12% damage boost against shield user now. Should be enough for someone with a brain to kill a shieldstacking sorc.
2k dps on someone that he cant mitigate or outheal (non pet sorcs) was just broken. Even pet sorcs need to spend magicka to heal the damage that come from a set that procs on light attacks wich doesnt even cost Ressources.
Finally. Thank you ZOS, thank you. -
godchucknzilla✭✭✭No not thank you, Sorry.
Sorcs had several counters to shield breaker. They could drop shield and LOS, they could slot a heal the resto staff tree. Really all shield break did was burst a low health Sorc and you gave up damage for using that particular set. Zos held out for years against the countless mag sorc complaints, then all the sudden they appease the whiners after years? -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭godchucknzilla wrote: »No not thank you, Sorry.
Sorcs had several counters to shield breaker. They could drop shield and LOS, they could slot a heal the resto staff tree. Really all shield break did was burst a low health Sorc and you gave up damage for using that particular set. Zos held out for years against the countless mag sorc complaints, then all the sudden they appease the whiners after years?
Which sorc doesn’t already run a resto?
And to ease your mind - now your crutch set isn’t useless against anything without a shield. Should be a win/ win, right? -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oblivion damage shouldn´t exist in game, change my mind.Immortal Redeemer - Gryphon Heart - Dro-m'Athra Destroyer
And apparently still not a PvE player
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EP - Qbi-One-Kenobi -Stamina DK - Argonian
AD - Anconeus - Magicka Nightblade - High Elf
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Never actually used this set... And thank god I did not spend any gold / AP / Tel var stons to get it or mats to upgrade it. Another useless set. Imho ZOS at this point should change the name of this set as it is confusing.Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on April 16, 2019 8:09AM -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »godchucknzilla wrote: »No not thank you, Sorry.
Sorcs had several counters to shield breaker. They could drop shield and LOS, they could slot a heal the resto staff tree. Really all shield break did was burst a low health Sorc and you gave up damage for using that particular set. Zos held out for years against the countless mag sorc complaints, then all the sudden they appease the whiners after years?
Which sorc doesn’t already run a resto?
And to ease your mind - now your crutch set isn’t useless against anything without a shield. Should be a win/ win, right?
Exactly, now shieldbreaker is also usefull against non shield targets and gets even stronger If you have a shield on you. And finnally "Breaks" a shield instead of just ignoring it.
@godchucknzilla
Your suggestion on how to deal with the old shieldbreaker are just Bad.
Drop shields. So i am open for every other damage source and get literally one shottet.
Los means just running away from the sorc
Heal from resto? Healing ward, a shield? Mutagen? A 700hps against 2k dps wont help. -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Never acually used this set... And thank god I did not spend any gold / AP / Tel var stons to get it or mats to upgrade it. Another useless set. Imho ZOS at this point should change the name of this set as it is confusing.
Why change the Name? It finally fits now. It increases you damage against shields by 12%.
Back then it was ignoring shield making the name not fitting. -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Never acually used this set... And thank god I did not spend any gold / AP / Tel var stons to get it or mats to upgrade it. Another useless set. Imho ZOS at this point should change the name of this set as it is confusing.
Why change the Name? It finally fits now. It increases you damage against shields by 12%.
Back then it was ignoring shield making the name not fitting.
Yeh but shield ignorer sounds a little odd. -
juhislihis19✭✭✭✭juhislihis19 wrote: »Nonsense. This set was solely designed for the shield stacking, bunny hopping sorcs without their own skill toolkit. In the past few weeks petsorcs have been awfully broken, and I've seen shield stacking become a trend again for the unskilled.
Shieldbreaker was the set for unskilled designed to be used against shield stacking, unskilled players. Now they just removed the other.
Shieldbreaker User spotted Here.
You still get a 12% damage boost against shield user now. Should be enough for someone with a brain to kill a shieldstacking sorc.
2k dps on someone that he cant mitigate or outheal (non pet sorcs) was just broken. Even pet sorcs need to spend magicka to heal the damage that come from a set that procs on light attacks wich doesnt even cost Ressources.
Finally. Thank you ZOS, thank you.
I did use Shield Breaker when shield stacking was very common (about a year or 18 months ago, right after I started). I wasn't able to kill actually good sorcs with it as they often didn't even use shields. Only the bad ones who lacked skills and stacked shields. Fortunately now killing the shield stacking players don't cause any problems.
I also rarely see/saw anyone complaining about this set in reality, only the few skill-less potatos. As I said, Shield Breaker was a set for non-skilled players to kill non-skilled players who relied on stacking shields.
The way you are relieved about this set being removed leaves an impression that you are yet to improve your skill set and still rely on simple shield stacking. Note that changing the 5th piece to 12% damage bonus means you will still be killed often even with all the shields on.
I think the game needed a set like the one they are changing Shield Breaker into, a flat damage bonus rather than the usual weapon damage increase. -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭juhislihis19 wrote: »juhislihis19 wrote: »Nonsense. This set was solely designed for the shield stacking, bunny hopping sorcs without their own skill toolkit. In the past few weeks petsorcs have been awfully broken, and I've seen shield stacking become a trend again for the unskilled.
Shieldbreaker was the set for unskilled designed to be used against shield stacking, unskilled players. Now they just removed the other.
Shieldbreaker User spotted Here.
You still get a 12% damage boost against shield user now. Should be enough for someone with a brain to kill a shieldstacking sorc.
2k dps on someone that he cant mitigate or outheal (non pet sorcs) was just broken. Even pet sorcs need to spend magicka to heal the damage that come from a set that procs on light attacks wich doesnt even cost Ressources.
Finally. Thank you ZOS, thank you.
I did use Shield Breaker when shield stacking was very common (about a year or 18 months ago, right after I started). I wasn't able to kill actually good sorcs with it as they often didn't even use shields. Only the bad ones who lacked skills and stacked shields. Fortunately now killing the shield stacking players don't cause any problems.
I also rarely see/saw anyone complaining about this set in reality, only the few skill-less potatos. As I said, Shield Breaker was a set for non-skilled players to kill non-skilled players who relied on stacking shields.
The way you are relieved about this set being removed leaves an impression that you are yet to improve your skill set and still rely on simple shield stacking. Note that changing the 5th piece to 12% damage bonus means you will still be killed often even with all the shields on.
I think the game needed a set like the one they are changing Shield Breaker into, a flat damage bonus rather than the usual weapon damage increase.
I actually dont die often to shieldbreaker but i makes me just leave any fight where i am outnumbered or even a 2v1 is really hard against someone with shieldbreaker.
You need your shields for the 2nd guy doing damage on you cause you would be rip in seconds without your shields. But having shields up gives the other enemy free shieldbreaker procs on you. And since most of them are either dks with 30k health or Nightblades who simply use cloak all the time it was hard to get rid of them fast.
A 3v1 is even more impossible with one oponent using shieldbreaker and makes you just leave the Fight cause you cant outheal his 2k dps. -
juhislihis19✭✭✭✭juhislihis19 wrote: »juhislihis19 wrote: »Nonsense. This set was solely designed for the shield stacking, bunny hopping sorcs without their own skill toolkit. In the past few weeks petsorcs have been awfully broken, and I've seen shield stacking become a trend again for the unskilled.
Shieldbreaker was the set for unskilled designed to be used against shield stacking, unskilled players. Now they just removed the other.
Shieldbreaker User spotted Here.
You still get a 12% damage boost against shield user now. Should be enough for someone with a brain to kill a shieldstacking sorc.
2k dps on someone that he cant mitigate or outheal (non pet sorcs) was just broken. Even pet sorcs need to spend magicka to heal the damage that come from a set that procs on light attacks wich doesnt even cost Ressources.
Finally. Thank you ZOS, thank you.
I did use Shield Breaker when shield stacking was very common (about a year or 18 months ago, right after I started). I wasn't able to kill actually good sorcs with it as they often didn't even use shields. Only the bad ones who lacked skills and stacked shields. Fortunately now killing the shield stacking players don't cause any problems.
I also rarely see/saw anyone complaining about this set in reality, only the few skill-less potatos. As I said, Shield Breaker was a set for non-skilled players to kill non-skilled players who relied on stacking shields.
The way you are relieved about this set being removed leaves an impression that you are yet to improve your skill set and still rely on simple shield stacking. Note that changing the 5th piece to 12% damage bonus means you will still be killed often even with all the shields on.
I think the game needed a set like the one they are changing Shield Breaker into, a flat damage bonus rather than the usual weapon damage increase.
I actually dont die often to shieldbreaker but i makes me just leave any fight where i am outnumbered or even a 2v1 is really hard against someone with shieldbreaker.
You need your shields for the 2nd guy doing damage on you cause you would be rip in seconds without your shields. But having shields up gives the other enemy free shieldbreaker procs on you. And since most of them are either dks with 30k health or Nightblades who simply use cloak all the time it was hard to get rid of them fast.
A 3v1 is even more impossible with one oponent using shieldbreaker and makes you just leave the Fight cause you cant outheal his 2k dps.
Fair enough, but also in a 1vs2-3, if there's that 3rd guy ie. spamming snipe or anything from a distance, it's still really hard to fare..
Where do you play? Is SB that popular there? I play PS4 EU and I honestly rarely see anyone using Shield Breaker in EU..
No but really, the new design looks actually good. It already has great 2-4 pcs bonuses and the flat damage on 5th is more than decent. I think someone said Spriggans 5th bonus is about 5% more damage, so this new set can outmatch it.
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Galarthor✭✭✭✭✭
✭godchucknzilla wrote: »No not thank you, Sorry.
Sorcs had several counters to shield breaker. They could drop shield and LOS, they could slot a heal the resto staff tree. Really all shield break did was burst a low health Sorc and you gave up damage for using that particular set. Zos held out for years against the countless mag sorc complaints, then all the sudden they appease the whiners after years?
Great idea. Give me a Dodge-Breaker and Cloak-Breaker set where NBs only have to stop cloacking and dodging ...
And while you are at it, give me a Heal-Breaker set so you just have to stop healing...
And let's not forget about Block, so there obviously has to be a Block-Breaker set as well ...
ZOS held out for years against whining skill-less stamplayers that wanted easy kills against sorcs. Finally, with a new person in chrage, reason seems to have become a significant factor in balance decisions again. Do I like all of the changes Brian makes? No. But I like the direction this is headed - i.e. logic > subjective preception. -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭juhislihis19 wrote: »juhislihis19 wrote: »juhislihis19 wrote: »Nonsense. This set was solely designed for the shield stacking, bunny hopping sorcs without their own skill toolkit. In the past few weeks petsorcs have been awfully broken, and I've seen shield stacking become a trend again for the unskilled.
Shieldbreaker was the set for unskilled designed to be used against shield stacking, unskilled players. Now they just removed the other.
Shieldbreaker User spotted Here.
You still get a 12% damage boost against shield user now. Should be enough for someone with a brain to kill a shieldstacking sorc.
2k dps on someone that he cant mitigate or outheal (non pet sorcs) was just broken. Even pet sorcs need to spend magicka to heal the damage that come from a set that procs on light attacks wich doesnt even cost Ressources.
Finally. Thank you ZOS, thank you.
I did use Shield Breaker when shield stacking was very common (about a year or 18 months ago, right after I started). I wasn't able to kill actually good sorcs with it as they often didn't even use shields. Only the bad ones who lacked skills and stacked shields. Fortunately now killing the shield stacking players don't cause any problems.
I also rarely see/saw anyone complaining about this set in reality, only the few skill-less potatos. As I said, Shield Breaker was a set for non-skilled players to kill non-skilled players who relied on stacking shields.
The way you are relieved about this set being removed leaves an impression that you are yet to improve your skill set and still rely on simple shield stacking. Note that changing the 5th piece to 12% damage bonus means you will still be killed often even with all the shields on.
I think the game needed a set like the one they are changing Shield Breaker into, a flat damage bonus rather than the usual weapon damage increase.
I actually dont die often to shieldbreaker but i makes me just leave any fight where i am outnumbered or even a 2v1 is really hard against someone with shieldbreaker.
You need your shields for the 2nd guy doing damage on you cause you would be rip in seconds without your shields. But having shields up gives the other enemy free shieldbreaker procs on you. And since most of them are either dks with 30k health or Nightblades who simply use cloak all the time it was hard to get rid of them fast.
A 3v1 is even more impossible with one oponent using shieldbreaker and makes you just leave the Fight cause you cant outheal his 2k dps.
Fair enough, but also in a 1vs2-3, if there's that 3rd guy ie. spamming snipe or anything from a distance, it's still really hard to fare..
Where do you play? Is SB that popular there? I play PS4 EU and I honestly rarely see anyone using Shield Breaker in EU..
No but really, the new design looks actually good. It already has great 2-4 pcs bonuses and the flat damage on 5th is more than decent. I think someone said Spriggans 5th bonus is about 5% more damage, so this new set can outmatch it.
I play PC EU and there are several shieldbreaker users. Mostly on AD that seem to never drop this set. Finally they need to use their brain to kill someone. -
Nerftheforums✭✭✭✭✭
✭The amount of people cruthiching on this mindless set is surprising. Probably the same people that get killed in a 10 man group by a couple of players and call for nerfs to classes, sets and mechanics. Probably the same people who claim that vma should drop weapons in normal mode.
Learn to play people, for real. You'll realize this game is a lot easier than what you think if you start playing it and learn how to do so rather than having sets doing stuff for you.
"Git gud" -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭juhislihis19 wrote: »Nonsense. This set was solely designed for the shield stacking, bunny hopping sorcs without their own skill toolkit. In the past few weeks petsorcs have been awfully broken, and I've seen shield stacking become a trend again for the unskilled.
Shieldbreaker was the set for unskilled designed to be used against shield stacking, unskilled players. Now they just removed the other.
Shieldbreaker was poorly designed. It wasn't deadliest for shieldstackers, it was deadlier for people who played fair and only used 1 shield. It was introduced to counter shield stacking. But all it did, was forcing people to stack even more.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind. -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shieldbreaker was (and still is for another month on live) a pure Xv1 set and we dont need stuff like that in this game, you may not like it, but now you wont be able to kill people that are already outnumbered by repeatedly pressing mouse1.
You love to see, that so many people are upset about a long overdue change and dont realize how verstatile and worth running shieldbreaker is actually gonna be for general use next patch.
6% or in the case of shielded enemies 12% increased damage is no joke, not sure in what way its gonna interact with battlespirit and what the real values are gonna be like, but from the first look at it, it seems like a really good set now, maybe even to the point where its worth running it over something like spriggan.
The 2/3/4 Piece Set bonuses are already pretty good with max stam, stam regen and weapon damage. -
Pelican✭✭✭✭✭godchucknzilla wrote: »No not thank you, Sorry.
Sorcs had several counters to shield breaker. They could drop shield and LOS, they could slot a heal the resto staff tree. Really all shield break did was burst a low health Sorc and you gave up damage for using that particular set. Zos held out for years against the countless mag sorc complaints, then all the sudden they appease the whiners after years?
"You can counter defile by not healing"PC NA - EP Solo PvP Player
https://www.youtube.com/c/pelicaneso -
Mr_Nobody✭✭✭✭✭juhislihis19 wrote: »Nonsense. This set was solely designed for the shield stacking, bunny hopping sorcs without their own skill toolkit. In the past few weeks petsorcs have been awfully broken, and I've seen shield stacking become a trend again for the unskilled.
Shieldbreaker was the set for unskilled designed to be used against shield stacking, unskilled players. Now they just removed the other.
Shieldbreaker User spotted Here.
You still get a 12% damage boost against shield user now. Should be enough for someone with a brain to kill a shieldstacking sorc.
2k dps on someone that he cant mitigate or outheal (non pet sorcs) was just broken. Even pet sorcs need to spend magicka to heal the damage that come from a set that procs on light attacks wich doesnt even cost Ressources.
Finally. Thank you ZOS, thank you.
Templars need to spend magicka to heal also.
Isnt that crazy? Wow. They need to do something about this!~ @Niekas ~
Mr Nobody (Magplar) ~ Grand Overlord
Mr NØbody (Magmancer) ~ A better Magplar version
Niekas (Magblade) ~ Havoc Squad -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭juhislihis19 wrote: »Nonsense. This set was solely designed for the shield stacking, bunny hopping sorcs without their own skill toolkit. In the past few weeks petsorcs have been awfully broken, and I've seen shield stacking become a trend again for the unskilled.
Shieldbreaker was the set for unskilled designed to be used against shield stacking, unskilled players. Now they just removed the other.
Shieldbreaker User spotted Here.
You still get a 12% damage boost against shield user now. Should be enough for someone with a brain to kill a shieldstacking sorc.
2k dps on someone that he cant mitigate or outheal (non pet sorcs) was just broken. Even pet sorcs need to spend magicka to heal the damage that come from a set that procs on light attacks wich doesnt even cost Ressources.
Finally. Thank you ZOS, thank you.
Templars need to spend magicka to heal also.
Isnt that crazy? Wow. They need to do something about this!
Yes exactly. They need to spend an GCD and Ressources to outheal the damage from shieldbreaker.
Shieldbreaker doesnt cost Ressources or consumes a GCD. -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If the new SB is multiplicative with CP against shields, it's going to be insanely strong. Don't get your panties in a knot just yet. 🙄#CAREBEARMASTERRACE -
kerthas✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »If the new SB is multiplicative with CP against shields, it's going to be insanely strong. Don't get your panties in a knot just yet. 🙄
ye it can be great, but at least we will be able to tank those dmg even if they are huge. -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭zenimax,
please give us a new counter to shield stacking sorcerers.
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