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Update 22 StamDK
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John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^Edited by John_Falstaff on April 17, 2019 12:29PM2 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.1 -
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✭✭@Masel , thanks for sharing. Bit of annoyance that there's no more flex spot for Vigor in that setup, what with double barred whip and three mandatory skills, but it's an interesting setup.0 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.1 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.
What can I say - next time you'll hopefully know better than to say "stamdk is okay" while imagining there's nothing out there except PvP. Don't make pointless statements if you don't want pointless conversations.0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.
What can I say - next time you'll hopefully know better than to say "stamdk is okay" while imagining there's nothing out there except PvP. Don't make pointless statements if you don't want pointless conversations.
Well since the OP said he was using 2h/dw. I kind of figured it was a pvp thread cause you need a bow for the dps in pve. Do you not?
Edited by psychotic13 on April 17, 2019 12:54PM0 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.
What can I say - next time you'll hopefully know better than to say "stamdk is okay" while imagining there's nothing out there except PvP. Don't make pointless statements if you don't want pointless conversations.
Well since the OP said he was using 2h/dw. I kind of figured it was a pvp thread cause you need a bow for the dps in pve. Do you not?
Thread's long have switched to general talk about DK spammables and issues of the class in new update. And it's called "Update 22 stamdk", which says nothing of PvP. In context, "stamdk is okay" doesn't come with "...in PvP" implied, if you're talking about PvP in particular, then do complete your thought in writing. I'd even probably agree with such narrowed statement, to a point (despite being of opinion that in PvP, nerf of wings will make sDK worse and build diversity is low, with S&B/2H being almost the only game in town).1 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.
What can I say - next time you'll hopefully know better than to say "stamdk is okay" while imagining there's nothing out there except PvP. Don't make pointless statements if you don't want pointless conversations.
Well since the OP said he was using 2h/dw. I kind of figured it was a pvp thread cause you need a bow for the dps in pve. Do you not?
Thread's long have switched to general talk about DK spammables and issues of the class in new update. And it's called "Update 22 stamdk", which says nothing of PvP. In context, "stamdk is okay" doesn't come with "...in PvP" implied, if you're talking about PvP in particular, then do complete your thought in writing. I'd even probably agree with such narrowed statement, to a point (despite being of opinion that in PvP, nerf of wings will make sDK worse and build diversity is low, with S&B/2H being almost the only game in town).
You didnt specifically say PvE either.
Dont use wings cause i need the mag for my major mending, but 2h/SnB isnt the only game in town. I do use it myself but alot of DKs are running 2h/bow and fossilize and are doing very well.0 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.
What can I say - next time you'll hopefully know better than to say "stamdk is okay" while imagining there's nothing out there except PvP. Don't make pointless statements if you don't want pointless conversations.
Well since the OP said he was using 2h/dw. I kind of figured it was a pvp thread cause you need a bow for the dps in pve. Do you not?
Thread's long have switched to general talk about DK spammables and issues of the class in new update. And it's called "Update 22 stamdk", which says nothing of PvP. In context, "stamdk is okay" doesn't come with "...in PvP" implied, if you're talking about PvP in particular, then do complete your thought in writing. I'd even probably agree with such narrowed statement, to a point (despite being of opinion that in PvP, nerf of wings will make sDK worse and build diversity is low, with S&B/2H being almost the only game in town).
You didnt specifically say PvE either.
Dont use wings cause i need the mag for my major mending, but 2h/SnB isnt the only game in town. I do use it myself but alot of DKs are running 2h/bow and fossilize and are doing very well.
You said 'dk is fine' in general - I replied in general, those are all pain points that in general aren't fine with the spec as a whole. I'm also not sure how well other builds map onto stamDK - sure you can slap on 2H/Bow, but other classes will simply do the same thing better, sDK will have issues competing with 2H/Bow stamblade or stamden. I tried, and resorted to S&B/2H. (With wings, fossilize and igneous. Talking about how stamDK doesn't have sustain issues in PvP - no wonder, with so much magicka utility on bars. But again, talk's about general spec problems.)0 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.
What can I say - next time you'll hopefully know better than to say "stamdk is okay" while imagining there's nothing out there except PvP. Don't make pointless statements if you don't want pointless conversations.
Well since the OP said he was using 2h/dw. I kind of figured it was a pvp thread cause you need a bow for the dps in pve. Do you not?
I hope not.
If stamDK *HAVE* to have a bow to perform in PvE then it is indeed in a *** position.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber0 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.
What can I say - next time you'll hopefully know better than to say "stamdk is okay" while imagining there's nothing out there except PvP. Don't make pointless statements if you don't want pointless conversations.
Well since the OP said he was using 2h/dw. I kind of figured it was a pvp thread cause you need a bow for the dps in pve. Do you not?
Thread's long have switched to general talk about DK spammables and issues of the class in new update. And it's called "Update 22 stamdk", which says nothing of PvP. In context, "stamdk is okay" doesn't come with "...in PvP" implied, if you're talking about PvP in particular, then do complete your thought in writing. I'd even probably agree with such narrowed statement, to a point (despite being of opinion that in PvP, nerf of wings will make sDK worse and build diversity is low, with S&B/2H being almost the only game in town).
You didnt specifically say PvE either.
Dont use wings cause i need the mag for my major mending, but 2h/SnB isnt the only game in town. I do use it myself but alot of DKs are running 2h/bow and fossilize and are doing very well.
You said 'dk is fine' in general - I replied in general, those are all pain points that in general aren't fine with the spec as a whole. I'm also not sure how well other builds map onto stamDK - sure you can slap on 2H/Bow, but other classes will simply do the same thing better, sDK will have issues competing with 2H/Bow stamblade or stamden. I tried, and resorted to S&B/2H. (With wings, fossilize and igneous. Talking about how stamDK doesn't have sustain issues in PvP - no wonder, with so much magicka utility on bars. But again, talk's about general spec problems.)
you two just stop it.
stamDK is OK, but it felt like the black goat of the ESO family. we don't get enough love with no class identity, and often shoehorned into very specific build JUST so we don't get kicked out of PvE trials OR perform decently without dying too much in PvP.
now kiss and make up.
The thread is about WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT. I, personally, with my 2H/DW setup, feels like I don't have a decent spammable comes update 22. And if I want to dish out enough damage in PvP, I need to be a glass cannon DoT build. PvE I perform "fine", I don't try to leaderboard n stuff, but again, no identity.
DK is a melee class at heart and a STAM DK seems like something would natively be suited, yet the theme of the class is MAG and MAG keeps getting buffed, so personally I'm a little disheartened.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber2 -
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holy cow, 80k? is this PTS with update 22?
so, anyone care to tell me what kind of passive whip has that it's worth slotting for stamDK?
lastly, @Masel how would u build about in PvP as stamDK?August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber0 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.
What can I say - next time you'll hopefully know better than to say "stamdk is okay" while imagining there's nothing out there except PvP. Don't make pointless statements if you don't want pointless conversations.
Well since the OP said he was using 2h/dw. I kind of figured it was a pvp thread cause you need a bow for the dps in pve. Do you not?
I hope not.
If stamDK *HAVE* to have a bow to perform in PvE then it is indeed in a *** position.
Well... Depends on the definition of "have to". ^^ If stamina DD in PvE wants to do competitive damage, then bow is sine qua non, sad as it is. Hail and PI are too strong. But then there's a fine difference between "competitive" and "viable". I once made a double sword & shield stamDK build as an experiment, could get ~33k dps out of it and I feel could've gotten way more. Not really competitive in any way, but you can do most content with it. Lots of things can be made to work if you need to be just decent.1 -
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✭John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »StamDK is fine tbh.
Great argument there. I especially liked your reasoning about how sDK can get decent sustain, how can it provided Minor Brutality without inflicting a self-nerf by using Igneous Weapons (really clever solution you've offered, I didn't think about that), how sDK can keep sustain and at the same time hold onto ultimate to drop it as tactically appropriate and not off cooldown; and oh, that's a nice point how our one-and-a-half stamina morphs is a good thing, too. Great insights all.
Not even going to argue with you, in another thread i talk about how cauterize could be used on stamDK and it would be strong and you start telling me about DK Healers like that was ever the topic. Waste of time speaking to people like you.
And fyi if you cant sustain your DK in pvp with less than 1500 regen which is decent, then L2P bro. I play DK a hell of alot, youre obviously just amateur cause theyve been strong for a while.
"StamDK is fine tbh."
"L2P bro."
"I play DK a hell of a lot."
"youre obviously just amateur"
Mind, I'm not even wasting my time arguing you. I'm just ridiculing you for your complete lack of arguments, I have no intention of casting pearls and actually listening to nonsense like you've just produced. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I actually take you seriously. ^^
Youre moaning about sustain on a class with built in sustain, it is L2P.
Just shows that you don't know anything about class you're playing.
Im talking in terms of PvP, and if you genuinely have sustain problems in PvP, then this conversation is pointless.
What can I say - next time you'll hopefully know better than to say "stamdk is okay" while imagining there's nothing out there except PvP. Don't make pointless statements if you don't want pointless conversations.
Well since the OP said he was using 2h/dw. I kind of figured it was a pvp thread cause you need a bow for the dps in pve. Do you not?
I hope not.
If stamDK *HAVE* to have a bow to perform in PvE then it is indeed in a *** position.
Well... Depends on the definition of "have to". ^^ If stamina DD in PvE wants to do competitive damage, then bow is sine qua non, sad as it is. Hail and PI are too strong. But then there's a fine difference between "competitive" and "viable". I once made a double sword & shield stamDK build as an experiment, could get ~33k dps out of it and I feel could've gotten way more. Not really competitive in any way, but you can do most content with it. Lots of things can be made to work if you need to be just decent.
ok fine. Bow is still BiS. But my problem is when stamDK everywhere - not just me - is being labelled NOT VIABLE simply because they don't carry a bow. That, to me, an indication that the whole class is broken.
StamDK in PvE should be viable without a bow. That's it. That's the heart of the matter.
Now, PvP............ they should be viable without a 1H+Shield.......
I mean, I believe I am, but I fear with U22, I won't be anymore coz my spammable options are flurry and uppercut - none of which are class..... which makes me even more sad.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber0 -
Sleep724✭✭✭✭✭I just wish instead they made it when you use the ardent flame abilities you get the spell/weapon damage buff WITHOUT having to slot molten whip.3
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Spizzie✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »
You didnt specifically say PvE either.
Dont use wings cause i need the mag for my major mending, but 2h/SnB isnt the only game in town. I do use it myself but alot of DKs are running 2h/bow and fossilize and are doing very well.
I can attest to this. My StamDK in PvP runs 2H/Bow with wings/fossilize/hardened armor and it absolutely wrecks shop. You've gotta get used to dodge rolling more and using fossilize as both a defensive and offensive mechanic, but fighting any 2H/Bow warden is a cakewalk because fossilize absolutely obliterates their burst combo and allows you to avoid sub assault nearly every single time.
Now the dilemma with Update 22 is going to be which of these 2 options provides the best combination of burst healing+mobility:
Wings + Rally + Vigor
OR
Igneous Shield + Forward Momentum + Vigor
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Titan_01✭✭sDK got more interesting this patch. The seething fury passive of molten whip also grants weapon damage, so you can double bar whip, and gain 375 WD constantly when you align your skills in the right order. I've been parsing around 80k, which is in line with stamplar and stamsorc, and just slightly behind stamblade on the 21m dummy. Stamcro and stamden are ahead of these, both parsing at roughly 85k with the same gear and decuxring the pet crit bug.
Consider that I didnt use the ultimate best ST gear, but a more convenient setup with slightly facilitated rotations to reduce my error rate.
Looking at the Parse you posted it appears that you are using Breath as a spammable and Whip just taking a slot on the bar for the passive. If so, does this actually seem like good design to you? Do this think this is a combination that ZoS intended stamDKs to be using?2