Once again no changes for stam sorc, but at least we have the necromancer

eso_lags

You guys have just put an amazing new class in this game. A class that comes with a stacked kit. Every single ability and passive can benefit either stamina or magicka. Awesome. Yet still you have done nothing to stam sorc when we have so little to work with. Im not going to turn this into another rant, but after reading the patch notes, and seeing every class get something done (good or bad) and seeing stam sorc get nothing once again, its very disappointing.

I thought for sure you would at least give us fracture now that you are adding in this new class with so many options, but no we have gotten nothing yet again. And instead of buffing classes like stam sorc, stam dk, or stamplar, you've nerfed others. Idk why that seems to be the policy, nerf instead of buff to get things on par with each other.

Im not sure who looks at these classes and sees any semblance of equality but certainly dont. Especially with the necromancer which looks pretty damn amazing. Nice job on that, please buff stam sorc slightly.

Wing

also note, NB lost its major defile, so did bow, and Wardens was crippled pretty heavily

BUT

Necro gets major defile. . .

this feels like a super classic case of nerf the old to show off the shiny new.

eso_lags

Wing wrote: »

also note, NB lost its major defile, so did bow, and Wardens was crippled pretty heavily

BUT

Necro gets major defile. . .

this feels like a super classic case of nerf the old to show off the shiny new.

Ya I can agree with that, but thats no surprise. A lot of games do that with something new coming in a DLC so people are more likely to buy it. Shady for sure.

My biggest issue is comparing necro and stam sorc side by side,, the difference is unsettling.

Cathexis

Wing wrote: »

also note, NB lost its major defile, so did bow, and Wardens was crippled pretty heavily

BUT

Necro gets major defile. . .

this feels like a super classic case of nerf the old to show off the shiny new.

I have made this gripe before. They often have done this with sets in the past, where I have golded a set out only to have it massively nerfed.

They did this already with wardens, so it's no surprise. That said, I am actually considering rolling a necromancer. It looks like fun.

If someone from ZoS reads this - the necro looks like the summoning counterpart I had wished daedric summoning had been since day 1. Conjuration was the stamina sorc of Skyrim, and was one of the coolest ways to play it by far. With sorcerers representing the daedric and elemental side of summoning, we have yet to see anything as comparable in terms of coolness. It would be really nice to at least see an aesthetic overhaul to sorcerer summoning, so we get cool pets like a tank pet that has size and can be used for los effectively.

ezio45

stam got streak

eso_lags

ezio45 wrote: »

stam got streak

lololol well I actually missed that, but thats just rubbing salt in the wounds...

Streak (morph): This ability will now scale with your highest offensive stats, and increased the stun duration to 3 seconds from 1.8 seconds.

REALLY?

Chilly-McFreeze

It’s sad because I was so hyped about this „class balance“ patch. And yet it went by as if nothing ever happened.
It wouldn’t take much to make stam sorcs attractive again. Fixing streaks momentum loss, changing a few passives (Rebate), an AoE and a single dmg skill outside of hurricant- no streak doesn’t count , and I‘d be all around happy.

Edit: oops, meant ultimate not aoe

eso_lags

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

It’s sad because I was so hyped about this „class balance“ patch. And yet it went by as if nothing ever happened.
It wouldn’t take much to make stam sorcs attractive again. Fixing streaks momentum loss, changing a few passives (Rebate), an AoE and a single dmg skill outside of hurricant- no streak doesn’t count , and I‘d be all around happy.

Ideally i would like to see a few changes, but sadly i dont think we will get any..

A real damage skill, even something like a stamina morph to curse or whatever, id be happy if it was comparable to other classes.

A useful ultimate, preferably a damage one but even just a useful stamina based utility one.

Another damage passive, or some kind of useful debuff, and major fracture.

Comparing classes like stam sorc and stamblade, stam necro, and stam warden, is shocking. I would honestly love to see a dev or anyone try to compare stam necro and stam sorc side by side and explain to me how there is not a massive difference in balance. Im open to having my mind changed but i dont see it happening.

*Oh, and i was pretty hyped about that patch too but disappointed in the end. The same way i am disappointed every update when nothing happens with stam sorc while other classes get buffs.

Morgul667

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

It’s sad because I was so hyped about this „class balance“ patch. And yet it went by as if nothing ever happened.
It wouldn’t take much to make stam sorcs attractive again. Fixing streaks momentum loss, changing a few passives (Rebate), an AoE and a single dmg skill outside of hurricant- no streak doesn’t count , and I‘d be all around happy.

Pretty much this

I was hoping for it

One of the biggest let down by ZOS so far

juhislihis19

Gonna spam this here as well:

NECROmancer got 5 stamina morphs, dragonKNIGHT just 2. ZOS, care to explain why?


Necromancer seems balanced solely for the purpose of extorting money from players. They nerfed other classes and didn't bother to buff already nerfed ones, so that people would buy the new chapter.

Sarousse

They said they would rework useless spells/morphs.

And weeeee got ?

Nothing !

No stamina spammable, no stamina ult.

But hey ! Our AE root now does standard damage ! Yay !

Darkonflare15

juhislihis19 wrote: »

Gonna spam this here as well:

NECROmancer got 5 stamina morphs, dragonKNIGHT just 2. ZOS, care to explain why?


Necromancer seems balanced solely for the purpose of extorting money from players. They nerfed other classes and didn't bother to buff already nerfed ones, so that people would buy the new chapter.

Do not forget that Dragon Knights also have two ults that scales completely with their damage.

vesselwiththepestle

In regard to skills StamDK is in a better place than StamSorc.

Also StamDK has lots of utility. Especially in PVP and solo play I often make use of magicka skills as DK for the utility (Fossilize anyone?). Having a magicka skill like Flames of oblivion in your rotation even helps with Sustain... It's good DPS while not using up your main ressource!

StamSorc, well.

At least a Class Spammable isn't important anymore with the changes to Flurry.

In general I am highly disappointed, I was hoping for more changes to StamSorc, at least one new Stamina morph. But I need to do some tests first how StamSorcs benefit from the other changes.

As StamSorcs have weak passives I guess we will have to wait until ZOS decides to have a look at those...

Lord_Sando

Stam sorc just need slight changes. not asking for much but something.

psychotic13

Lord_Sando wrote: »

Stam sorc just need slight changes. not asking for much but something.

This, just rework the passive so it gives the regen passively instead of requiring a daedric summoning ability slotted (all a stamsorc can use is BA and the damn atro)

And instead of giving streak the 'scales of highest stat' change, give it to an ability where the damage actually matters, streaks an escape no one cares about the damage it deals.

Xvorg

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

It’s sad because I was so hyped about this „class balance“ patch. And yet it went by as if nothing ever happened.
It wouldn’t take much to make stam sorcs attractive again. Fixing streaks momentum loss, changing a few passives (Rebate), an AoE and a single dmg skill outside of hurricant- no streak doesn’t count , and I‘d be all around happy.

Edit: oops, meant ultimate not aoe

Class balance patch = nerf old classes so new class is more appealing.

Xvorg

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

juhislihis19 wrote: »

Gonna spam this here as well:

NECROmancer got 5 stamina morphs, dragonKNIGHT just 2. ZOS, care to explain why?


Necromancer seems balanced solely for the purpose of extorting money from players. They nerfed other classes and didn't bother to buff already nerfed ones, so that people would buy the new chapter.

Do not forget that Dragon Knights also have two ults that scales completely with their damage.

Leap is physical dmg... there's no poison around

Chilly-McFreeze

Xvorg wrote: »

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

juhislihis19 wrote: »

Gonna spam this here as well:

NECROmancer got 5 stamina morphs, dragonKNIGHT just 2. ZOS, care to explain why?


Necromancer seems balanced solely for the purpose of extorting money from players. They nerfed other classes and didn't bother to buff already nerfed ones, so that people would buy the new chapter.

Do not forget that Dragon Knights also have two ults that scales completely with their damage.

Leap is physical dmg... there's no poison around

Still stam-kind of damage.