Nb changes are awesome

Natvral

The nb changes are a huge buff. Losing berserk is eh, but gaining maim and the flanking mechanic both are going to add up for it. I can't wait to test it in pvp

Silver_Strider

What do you mean by "Gaining Maim"? We already had Shade for Maim and it was removed from fear. Did you mean the Minor Vulnerability from Teleport Strike? Coupled with Camo Hunter for the Minor Berserk + Minor Mangle from Incap, I expect a return of the "Nerf Spambush" threads to arise before long. The loss of fracture will matter very little in PvP because of these changes and in PvE, it was redundant outside of solo content, so a nerf to our vMA run score but since Tanks offered Fracture already, it won't really affect us there as much as people make it sound like it will. In actuality, the Flank Mechanic will be a buff IF the group cannot acquire full physical resistance reduction, which is more typical in 4 man content than 12 man, making it a niche utility buff for those groups, which I'm fine with. I do, however, see this as an indirect nerf to Maces though since, at least theoretically, it means that a Stamblade will lower their effectiveness even more but that's more speculation that fact at this point and needs testing for virility.

Fear not making everyone run away is a huge boon for NB Tanks as they can now use Fear as their main CC but considering that it lost the Maim, it might not be as lucrative as it once was, although the Dark Shade buff will compensate for that greatly. The only change I'm NOT happy with in this regard is how big a step back Dark Cloak took in relation to its upfront healing potential. While I understand it was problematic in terms of NB DPS, the fact is that it hurts NB Tanks a hell of a lot more since now, they'll pretty much back to where they were pre-Summerset, relying solely on HoTs to try and stay alive, which just doesn't work well for Tanks considering how hard some hits are and how they can sometimes come in consecutive hits so having a 4.5% Health based HoT is not going to save you, even if Minor Protection is extended for the full duration also.

Magblade, and by extension Healblades, are just......ugh; It hurts how bad its getting. Not only are their main tools completely unchanged for the most part but now they lost Minor Berserk on top of it all and Shade alone is NOT going to be the game changer they need to break out of mediocrity. Minor Vulnerability isn't going to be huge for them either since it'll only cover the Minor Berserk loss and nothing more. Not to mention the heal they won't be getting from Grim Focus since chances are they'll be outside of the range for it. It's just bad all around for Magblade.

Tommy_The_Gun

"Nb changes are awesome"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

Natvral

Silver_Strider wrote: »

What do you mean by "Gaining Maim"? We already had Shade for Maim and it was removed from fear. Did you mean the Minor Vulnerability from Teleport Strike? Coupled with Camo Hunter for the Minor Berserk + Minor Mangle from Incap, I expect a return of the "Nerf Spambush" threads to arise before long. The loss of fracture will matter very little in PvP because of these changes and in PvE, it was redundant outside of solo content, so a nerf to our vMA run score but since Tanks offered Fracture already, it won't really affect us there as much as people make it sound like it will. In actuality, the Flank Mechanic will be a buff IF the group cannot acquire full physical resistance reduction, which is more typical in 4 man content than 12 man, making it a niche utility buff for those groups, which I'm fine with. I do, however, see this as an indirect nerf to Maces though since, at least theoretically, it means that a Stamblade will lower their effectiveness even more but that's more speculation that fact at this point and needs testing for virility.

Fear not making everyone run away is a huge boon for NB Tanks as they can now use Fear as their main CC but considering that it lost the Maim, it might not be as lucrative as it once was, although the Dark Shade buff will compensate for that greatly. The only change I'm NOT happy with in this regard is how big a step back Dark Cloak took in relation to its upfront healing potential. While I understand it was problematic in terms of NB DPS, the fact is that it hurts NB Tanks a hell of a lot more since now, they'll pretty much back to where they were pre-Summerset, relying solely on HoTs to try and stay alive, which just doesn't work well for Tanks considering how hard some hits are and how they can sometimes come in consecutive hits so having a 4.5% Health based HoT is not going to save you, even if Minor Protection is extended for the full duration also.

Magblade, and my extension Healblades, are just......ugh; It hurts how bad its getting. Not only are their main tools completely unchanged for the most part but now they lost Minor Berserk on top of it all and Shade alone is NOT going to be the game changer they need to break out of mediocrity. Minor Vulnerability isn't going to be huge for them either since it'll only cover the Minor Berserk loss and nothing more. Not to mention the heal they won't be getting from Grim Focus since chances are they'll be outside of the range for it. It's just bad all around for Magblade.

l2p

Dojohoda

Maim? (We are losing maim from Mass Hysteria.) Do you mean Minor Mangle that is being added to incap?

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Some References:

Incapacitating Strike (morph): This morph will now apply Minor Mangle to the target for the duration of the stun if cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

Minor Mangle: Reduces target's max health by 10%.

Surprise Attack: This ability no longer applies Major Fracture. Instead, if you use the ability on the flank of an enemy (behind or at their sides), you reduce their Physical Resistance by 5%. This effect cannot stack, but will always prioritize the highest value.

Natvral

Dojohoda wrote: »

Maim? (We are losing maim from Mass Hysteria.) Do you mean Minor Mangle that is being added to incap?

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Some References:

Incapacitating Strike (morph): This morph will now apply Minor Mangle to the target for the duration of the stun if cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

Minor Mangle: Reduces target's max health by 10%.

Surprise Attack: This ability no longer applies Major Fracture. Instead, if you use the ability on the flank of an enemy (behind or at their sides), you reduce their Physical Resistance by 5%. This effect cannot stack, but will always prioritize the highest value.

yeah, mangle. at least someone has a brain and understood what i meant

Silver_Strider

Natvral wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

What do you mean by "Gaining Maim"? We already had Shade for Maim and it was removed from fear. Did you mean the Minor Vulnerability from Teleport Strike? Coupled with Camo Hunter for the Minor Berserk + Minor Mangle from Incap, I expect a return of the "Nerf Spambush" threads to arise before long. The loss of fracture will matter very little in PvP because of these changes and in PvE, it was redundant outside of solo content, so a nerf to our vMA run score but since Tanks offered Fracture already, it won't really affect us there as much as people make it sound like it will. In actuality, the Flank Mechanic will be a buff IF the group cannot acquire full physical resistance reduction, which is more typical in 4 man content than 12 man, making it a niche utility buff for those groups, which I'm fine with. I do, however, see this as an indirect nerf to Maces though since, at least theoretically, it means that a Stamblade will lower their effectiveness even more but that's more speculation that fact at this point and needs testing for virility.

Fear not making everyone run away is a huge boon for NB Tanks as they can now use Fear as their main CC but considering that it lost the Maim, it might not be as lucrative as it once was, although the Dark Shade buff will compensate for that greatly. The only change I'm NOT happy with in this regard is how big a step back Dark Cloak took in relation to its upfront healing potential. While I understand it was problematic in terms of NB DPS, the fact is that it hurts NB Tanks a hell of a lot more since now, they'll pretty much back to where they were pre-Summerset, relying solely on HoTs to try and stay alive, which just doesn't work well for Tanks considering how hard some hits are and how they can sometimes come in consecutive hits so having a 4.5% Health based HoT is not going to save you, even if Minor Protection is extended for the full duration also.

Magblade, and my extension Healblades, are just......ugh; It hurts how bad its getting. Not only are their main tools completely unchanged for the most part but now they lost Minor Berserk on top of it all and Shade alone is NOT going to be the game changer they need to break out of mediocrity. Minor Vulnerability isn't going to be huge for them either since it'll only cover the Minor Berserk loss and nothing more. Not to mention the heal they won't be getting from Grim Focus since chances are they'll be outside of the range for it. It's just bad all around for Magblade.

l2p

I gave a breakdown on my examination of the patch notes. In what way is ANYTHING I said a L2P issue? You sound like a troll, in which case, this thread might as well be ignored since you clearly have nothing productive to discuss at all. I'll just leave it at that.

Silver_Strider

Natvral wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

Maim? (We are losing maim from Mass Hysteria.) Do you mean Minor Mangle that is being added to incap?

---
Some References:

Incapacitating Strike (morph): This morph will now apply Minor Mangle to the target for the duration of the stun if cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

Minor Mangle: Reduces target's max health by 10%.

Surprise Attack: This ability no longer applies Major Fracture. Instead, if you use the ability on the flank of an enemy (behind or at their sides), you reduce their Physical Resistance by 5%. This effect cannot stack, but will always prioritize the highest value.

yeah, mangle. at least someone has a brain and understood what i meant

So, you screw up the name of a debuff and we're the ones that don't have brains?
Maybe you should correct your mistakes instead of insulting others. You come off as less of an ass.

DeadlyRecluse

There's a lot going on in these notes, for all classes. I'm hesitant to call any class buffed/nerfed at this point...

But I don't think letting Mass Hysteria hit 6 targets is a good thing.

Natvral

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Natvral wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

Maim? (We are losing maim from Mass Hysteria.) Do you mean Minor Mangle that is being added to incap?

---
Some References:

Incapacitating Strike (morph): This morph will now apply Minor Mangle to the target for the duration of the stun if cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

Minor Mangle: Reduces target's max health by 10%.

Surprise Attack: This ability no longer applies Major Fracture. Instead, if you use the ability on the flank of an enemy (behind or at their sides), you reduce their Physical Resistance by 5%. This effect cannot stack, but will always prioritize the highest value.

yeah, mangle. at least someone has a brain and understood what i meant

So, you screw up the name of a debuff and we're the ones that don't have brains?
Maybe you should correct your mistakes instead of insulting others. You come off as less of an ass.

l2p

Insco851

Natvral wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Natvral wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

Maim? (We are losing maim from Mass Hysteria.) Do you mean Minor Mangle that is being added to incap?

---
Some References:

Incapacitating Strike (morph): This morph will now apply Minor Mangle to the target for the duration of the stun if cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

Minor Mangle: Reduces target's max health by 10%.

Surprise Attack: This ability no longer applies Major Fracture. Instead, if you use the ability on the flank of an enemy (behind or at their sides), you reduce their Physical Resistance by 5%. This effect cannot stack, but will always prioritize the highest value.

yeah, mangle. at least someone has a brain and understood what i meant

So, you screw up the name of a debuff and we're the ones that don't have brains?
Maybe you should correct your mistakes instead of insulting others. You come off as less of an ass.

l2p

OP clearly isn’t a NB main or even Alt.

Strider__Roshin

I too enjoy eating paint chips

Iskiab

I logged on and did a couple BGs, here’s my thoughts:

Magblade healer - buffed
Magblade rdps - buffed
Magblade mdps - I think it’ll be rough. I’d look at making a skirmisher or dark cloak build. Lots of aoe so stealthing will be difficult

Insco851

Iskiab wrote: »

I logged on and did a couple BGs, here’s my thoughts:

Magblade healer - buffed
Magblade rdps - buffed
Magblade mdps - I think it’ll be rough. I’d look at making a skirmisher or dark cloak build. Lots of aoe so stealthing will be difficult

Aoe already forced me into dark cloak in the current patch. NErfed the heal into oblivion tho.. gonna need like 35k health to make it worth a crap... so better depend on procs for dmg. Rather get on my magden or ez mode sorc

Iskiab

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I logged on and did a couple BGs, here’s my thoughts:

Magblade healer - buffed
Magblade rdps - buffed
Magblade mdps - I think it’ll be rough. I’d look at making a skirmisher or dark cloak build. Lots of aoe so stealthing will be difficult

Aoe already forced me into dark cloak in the current patch. NErfed the heal into oblivion tho.. gonna need like 35k health to make it worth a crap... so better depend on procs for dmg. Rather get on my magden or ez mode sorc

Agreed. Maybe melee will be good in smaller scale then BGs. Someone who skirmishes with blockade and twisting might work, IDK. I think melee magblade will have a rough time, but melee magblade isn’t my forte. Basicly dark cloak has been reduced to the same self healing as vigor.

Natvral

Insco851 wrote: »

Natvral wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Natvral wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

Maim? (We are losing maim from Mass Hysteria.) Do you mean Minor Mangle that is being added to incap?

---
Some References:

Incapacitating Strike (morph): This morph will now apply Minor Mangle to the target for the duration of the stun if cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

Minor Mangle: Reduces target's max health by 10%.

Surprise Attack: This ability no longer applies Major Fracture. Instead, if you use the ability on the flank of an enemy (behind or at their sides), you reduce their Physical Resistance by 5%. This effect cannot stack, but will always prioritize the highest value.

yeah, mangle. at least someone has a brain and understood what i meant

So, you screw up the name of a debuff and we're the ones that don't have brains?
Maybe you should correct your mistakes instead of insulting others. You come off as less of an ass.

l2p

OP clearly isn’t a NB main or even Alt.

"The Thief Stone" main stamblade. Had (and have) "Natvral", my magblade, for 4 years. I still love the changes. No one's actually testing the differences, they're definite buffs. Already tested it. Enjoying it greatly

Tasear

I think it makes things interesting especially for group play. It makes me consider doing something with my stamina nb in regards to tanking again or renew interest as a dps.

John_Falstaff

That's a good joke there. ^^ I hope you realize that if you're enjoying that flanking mechanic, then it's placebo effect, because 5% (and most likely after subtracting all other resistance debuffs) is nothing compared to Fracture. ^^

Itzmichi

Natvral wrote: »

Dojohoda wrote: »

Maim? (We are losing maim from Mass Hysteria.) Do you mean Minor Mangle that is being added to incap?

---
Some References:

Incapacitating Strike (morph): This morph will now apply Minor Mangle to the target for the duration of the stun if cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

Minor Mangle: Reduces target's max health by 10%.

Surprise Attack: This ability no longer applies Major Fracture. Instead, if you use the ability on the flank of an enemy (behind or at their sides), you reduce their Physical Resistance by 5%. This effect cannot stack, but will always prioritize the highest value.

yeah, mangle. at least someone has a brain and understood what i meant

Well isn't it about you having the brain in the first place to provide data so people understand you? I mean if you want to buy an apple and talking about this yellow sweet fruit nobody can help you, right? 🤔


While I Think NB nerf was needed even tho I'm playing Stamblade, there could have been other solutions like removing the buffs but adding them to other skills for example.

glavius

Doesn't minor mangle apply after the incap hit, making it useless? Or is it before?

hakan

if you gonna troll, dude, at least do it right.

you look dumb when you reply every comment "l2p xd" like a kids say ligma jokes on every chance they get.