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Suggestion: Wayshrine pack, Skill Lines, Level 50 boosts in the Crown Store
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I’m all for accountwide anything as long as it’s part of the game.. eg I am super happy that all of my toons get my max CP once they hit level 50. I would love to only have to do the Psijiic Order tedium once. We can happily debate which achievements should be accountwide and which should be character based until the cows come home.
I am all against ZOS selling this as a perk for the privileged
It’s either good game design (so freely available to all) or it’s money grubbing filth
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nihoumab14_ESO✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Or just class change tokens like in FFXIV (well, you can job change for free in that game, but ZOS would obviously take the opportunity to monetize it). Most devs argue that an MMO would die if people didn't have to repeat content on alts, but FFXIV is one of the biggest MMOs out there (most likely the second biggest, after WoW) and yet it encourages you to only play one character.
Except in FFXIV they incentivize you to do low level content in several ways:
1) Even though you can be every class on 1 character, you have to level each one individually, which means people are constantly doing low level stuff to level up alt jobs
2) FFXIV has several daily bonuses for different leveling brackets via dungeon roulettes so that max level players have a reason to do the low level stuff, and low level players get to play with high level players
3) FFXIV still has the problem of a lot of low level zones being very sparsely populated compared to how they were before that region became obsolete due to new level cap (in stark contrast to ESO where almost every zone feels populated due to the megaserver tech)1 -
Bevik✭✭✭✭I would rather have a system that allows you to unlock wayshrines, skyshards etc on a new character after reaching the maximum CP. Or let's say after your 5. CP character. I'm curious about the Necromancer but I already have 10 chars and the grind is boooooring.1 -
macsmooth✭✭✭✭The only thing I would like to see is the ability to collect all my characters hireling on one login of a character this would be a quality of life change not boosting to get to end game with no clue how my character works because I never spent any time on them
Skyshards in store = nope
Ive never played wow but believe these boosters was there but I play elder scrolls not wow2 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ya all are playing the wrong game if you want to jump to a maxed character with no effort or time invested. Try a MOBA like Dota 2, that’s more your speed.Edited by Sheezabeast on April 15, 2019 9:28AMGrand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!4 -
Skwor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So predicted this(so did many others to be honest). Welcome to the slippery slope.
Yes the upcomming crown purchase of skillpoints is a form of P2W. This is just the camel's nose in the tent.
It only gets worse from here as the entilted ask for more and they will get it becuase it will be seen as a revenue stream.
Slowly ESO will become more about creating a system to drive a player into microtransactions and less about gaming. Just look at the mobile version, the writing is on the wall.
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rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In ESO one can go to random zone with either lv3 or a lv50 cp160+ character and actually play through zone or grind dailies more or less meaningfully. Surely tempting to have option to pay 2 skip that with nth alt but don't think it's quite same as in like WoW where low level stuff is mostly irrelevant.
However If someone wants to pay 2 not play / pay 2 save time, its not my place to complain. All the benefits can be gotten by playing normally. In my opinion it is not p2w in same sense as ESO+ craft bag is. (Because Hanlon's razor don't believe ESO inventory implementation is intentionally crippled but it surely feels like it.)
I assume monetizers carefully calculate how much they potentially lose by allowing a payer-player to skip time it takes to do the skyshards &cet done for their shiny necromancer and make the price of it plenty profitable for them.0 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some people will not be happy until they can just load a template, open a gear container or two and have a fully geared and leveled character from the get go.
Those games are called MOBAs.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Paazhahdrimaak✭✭✭✭✭Why even play this game, if you are not going to play it?Edited by Paazhahdrimaak on April 15, 2019 2:31PM3 -
redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hmmmm.... No!"Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
- Daggerfall's Mightiest | Eternal Champions | Legacy | Tamriel Melting Pot [PS][NA] 2300 CP
- SweetTrolls | Spring Rose | Daggerfall Royal Legion | Tinnitus Delux [PC][EU] 2525 CP
- Bacon Rats | Silverlight Brotherhood | Canis Root Tea Party | Vincula Doloris [PC][NA] 2300 CP
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BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Why are things like Wayshrines not account-wide? I'm not talking about them being purchasable for real money because that is ridiculous, just, unlocked globally on initial discovery.
Whilst I disagree with Undaunted / Any skill lines being purchasable (That can be classed as P2W), I don't with any of the time wasting click-and-go collections and certainly not with Wayshrines.
Read the threads and you'll see that 99% of the discussion r.e this and skyshards (hilariously) is that it's some form of pay to win; it's not, not even close.
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ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭They already said they're doing this. I don't know why everybody is arguing at this stage. Whether you want it or not, it's coming.2
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tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They already said they're doing this. I don't know why everybody is arguing at this stage. Whether you want it or not, it's coming.
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ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭
I posted the source in a comment on a different thread - you can see it here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5940332#Comment_5940332
They don't mention wayshrines or lvl 50 boosts specifically, but do mention skill lines like mages/undaunted. So the full scope of how they're willing to go with it is probably open-ended.2 -
ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭No gameplay-related stuff other than DLCs and Expansions in the crown-store please.
Cant compare WoW leveling and ESO leveling.Sylvermynx wrote: »Well, it's been a thing to sell "jump to highest level" in WoW at least for years. I took advantage of it myself - after I had thirty level 90s (some of each class) and they had dumbed down the game to the point it wasn't really much fun. Then of course they came out with the WoD piece of crap and I canceled 7 accounts, leaving 70 toons sitting in the banks. That was in 2013; haven't ever been back and certainly don't miss it, though I do have family who still play.
I wouldn't buy any of it in this game, as I really love exploring on all my girls, getting the skyshards and wayshrines. So even if it shows up (and I haven't a clue whether it will or not) I wouldn't be utilizing it myself - so no money from me for any of that, ZOS!
Also that mentioned "service" doesnt boost you to max, but it boosts you ten levels below the level cap.
And the price of it is ridiculously high at 60 USD.
WoW leveling in Vanilla took months, even these days it takes 2-3 weeks if you are playing 2-4 hours every day, with heirlooms and xp buffs, spamming dungeons all day.
In ESO, it takes like 2 hours during an event to get from 1-50.Edited by ATomiX96 on April 15, 2019 3:42PM0 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭shaielzafine wrote: »To all the people who were complacent and accepting of buying skyshards: congratulations...you are the pebbles that proceed the landslide.
If these things come to pass, and you can just pay your way through the game, you are to blame.
HOPEFULLY, Zos wouldn't go this way, but we know how they'll do anything if money can be made.
How are these items pay to win? You can already give in game gold to somebody to run you in Skyreach, or for skin runs and achievements. And you can already convert Crowns to gold through the crown exchange discord, where a zos employee is also in the discord. I don't see how being able to buy skyshards or wayshrine unlocks is pay to win, there's no advantage over someone who wants to get their skyshards regularly walking around the zones. I also don't see a difference between the crown store 's ESO plus permanent XP boost or the 150% XP scrolls and a level 50 XP boost, you pay to skip for both but one is instant whereas one requires more Skyreach grinding.
Never said it was pay to win, but at what point does playing the game even matter if you can just buy everything?
What then, becomes the purpose of playing at all? You need not EARN anything. You just open the wallet and presto!
Lame....
Why do you care if someone else just buys everything?
Your experience is somehow diminished because someone else traded money for time? They get nothing more nor less than you at the end of the game, so why do you care what they do?
You have the option to spend the time that you feel is the only correct payment for progress, no one is taking that away.
Ask yourself, why are you even playing then? What's the point of playing a game if you..dont actually play it and just pay for everything?
I'm sure everyone will welcome with open arms all these new players who have no idea how to actually play who paid for their character jumping into vet content, right?
Judging by the combat metric threads here, that should go over really well ...
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Why do you care why anyone else does anything though. Hiw dies it affect youTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
shaielzafine✭✭✭✭✭Why are things like Wayshrines not account-wide? I'm not talking about them being purchasable for real money because that is ridiculous, just, unlocked globally on initial discovery.
Whilst I disagree with Undaunted / Any skill lines being purchasable (That can be classed as P2W), I don't with any of the time wasting click-and-go collections and certainly not with Wayshrines.
Read the threads and you'll see that 99% of the discussion r.e this and skyshards (hilariously) is that it's some form of pay to win; it's not, not even close.
Yeah, if they would just unlock everything globally like in other MMOs that would be great. But they already said they're doing skyshard packs in the crown store, so obviously they'd rather go the monetization route. Since they're going that route, why not add wayshrines and other things with that? The skill lines and xp boost already exist in some form in the store, and there's a lot of complaining it's "pay to win" but people can't seem to pinpoint exactly what buyers will win.
I posted the source in a comment on a different thread - you can see it here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5940332#Comment_5940332
They don't mention wayshrines or lvl 50 boosts specifically, but do mention skill lines like mages/undaunted. So the full scope of how they're willing to go with it is probably open-ended.
I LOL'd at "I hate leveling undaunted" 2:32:180 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
I remember what it was to level v16 years before - 16 days constantly farming - and now its just one night and you have lv50.
Learn how to play with your character2 -
Darkenarlol✭✭✭✭✭
✭what's the problem with someone willing to spend his $100 to get his character maxed or got some skills?
that dude worked and earned his money while you've been sitting on your ass and playing games
what's the point of *earn in by playing* when it is 10th+ alt? 30th+?
is it outist *** fear that someone from scary real world can get a bunch of skyshards or whatever
not by repetative mindless visiting same locations for 20th+ time but by spending some money on the game?
anyway it is totally up to ZOS and your opinion on their business plans means nothing. literally. NOTHING.
and btw you sighned it by accepting TOS0 -
Dexxadude✭✭I don't usually comment on the forums but HELL NO! why buy the game to then skip the content. No to Wayshrine, No to Skyshards and No to Skills. Play the game as its meant to be played not P2W5
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MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Great idea, OP. How about maelstrom weapons too, or any trial set, or hell, why not just put it all in the crown store, emperor title too. I mean, who has time to play the game as it was intended, right?1 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oh no... here's the slippery slope we were worried about...
EXACTLY why I have been against the skyshards.
Next thing will be Quests.
Hey, one character completed the quest, so therefore All characters get credit for completing it and instant XP from it to boot.
Pretty soon it will be - You have created your character - all achievements and quests have been completed.
8P
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barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭shaielzafine wrote: »To all the people who were complacent and accepting of buying skyshards: congratulations...you are the pebbles that proceed the landslide.
If these things come to pass, and you can just pay your way through the game, you are to blame.
HOPEFULLY, Zos wouldn't go this way, but we know how they'll do anything if money can be made.
How are these items pay to win? You can already give in game gold to somebody to run you in Skyreach, or for skin runs and achievements. And you can already convert Crowns to gold through the crown exchange discord, where a zos employee is also in the discord. I don't see how being able to buy skyshards or wayshrine unlocks is pay to win, there's no advantage over someone who wants to get their skyshards regularly walking around the zones. I also don't see a difference between the crown store 's ESO plus permanent XP boost or the 150% XP scrolls and a level 50 XP boost, you pay to skip for both but one is instant whereas one requires more Skyreach grinding.
Never said it was pay to win, but at what point does playing the game even matter if you can just buy everything?
What then, becomes the purpose of playing at all? You need not EARN anything. You just open the wallet and presto!
Lame....
Why do you care if someone else just buys everything?
Your experience is somehow diminished because someone else traded money for time? They get nothing more nor less than you at the end of the game, so why do you care what they do?
You have the option to spend the time that you feel is the only correct payment for progress, no one is taking that away.
In a hypothetical world, I would agree.
But in the real world, there are intangibles that do indeed affect others. Not the least of which is Toxicity.
Every game that turns into P2W ends up with an extremely Toxic player base - it goes both ways. The buyers laugh at those who can't simply shell out the bug bucks, and the frugal are jealous and angry at the 'not fair' disadvantage of having to work for everything.
Last thing we need is for the ESO player base to turn into the Archeage player base.
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