little feedback after one month

Dubsize

So i tried ESO for a month. For convinience i had a plus membership without crafting bag its unplayable in my opinion.

Some points i rly struggle with are:

I have to make to much compromises playing it.

-The classes and the way i want to play dont fit well so i felt very fast the lack of freedom.

-Classes in generell dont fit the Elder Scrolls very well theyre kinda weird. (Warden DK Mage)

-Classes getting boring very very fast

-The min max situation and the meta builds from the web to be competetiv, i want to build my own and make own choices but i think im the last who plays this way.

-Rushing in every social aspect like dungeons raids. I cant even listen to the quests and notice why im here and what im doing.

-Combat is meh its a bit like the worst from sp and mmos

so all in one its a not so good sp and bad mmo

BUT story and voiced quest are awesome. And the areas some of them are rly nice.

So have fun guys but im out it doesnt rly get me playing but was a ok month or so.

White wabbit

Good bye then

Chilly-McFreeze

Dubsize wrote: »

The min max situation and the meta builds from the web to be competetiv, i want to build my own and make own choices but i think im the last who plays this way.

Do you already tackle endgame vet content after a month or why do you feel it's necessary to slot BiS items? For everything else, to an extend even for PvP, you can indeed play how you want. Sure, class system limits us all, but for question and doing (normal) dungeons it nearly doesn't even matter what you slot.

Dubsize

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Dubsize wrote: »

The min max situation and the meta builds from the web to be competetiv, i want to build my own and make own choices but i think im the last who plays this way.

Do you already tackle endgame vet content after a month or why do you feel it's necessary to slot BiS items? For everything else, to an extend even for PvP, you can indeed play how you want. Sure, class system limits us all, but for question and doing (normal) dungeons it nearly doesn't even matter what you slot.

Im in a guild and even in the normal raids it began with dps here dps there... I played other mmos before and i cant here this word anymore. Of course u can run around with a wet noudle but getting spammed to death in seconds with a lava whip or another *** skill isnt fun for me.

I hear this argument often u can heal as a mage and so on ur so free and so on. But thats not true its an illusion people keeping alive. U can but u will suck at the most. Thats it and thats not a good feeling.

kongkim

#4 You are total right. The meta and Min/Max talk in this game is horrible and too much. Also hate it.
I alsway rundt a mix og some guid builds and my own. Its so borring to have the same as anyone els.

to many people in this game think you need 20k dps to do vet dungeons. because they dont want to take the time and only want to rush through them.

AlnilamE

Dubsize wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Dubsize wrote: »

The min max situation and the meta builds from the web to be competetiv, i want to build my own and make own choices but i think im the last who plays this way.

Do you already tackle endgame vet content after a month or why do you feel it's necessary to slot BiS items? For everything else, to an extend even for PvP, you can indeed play how you want. Sure, class system limits us all, but for question and doing (normal) dungeons it nearly doesn't even matter what you slot.

Im in a guild and even in the normal raids it began with dps here dps there... I played other mmos before and i cant here this word anymore. Of course u can run around with a wet noudle but getting spammed to death in seconds with a lava whip or another *** skill isnt fun for me.

I hear this argument often u can heal as a mage and so on ur so free and so on. But thats not true its an illusion people keeping alive. U can but u will suck at the most. Thats it and thats not a good feeling.

Well, you *can* run around wielding a wet noodle if you wish, but there are non-meta builds that are effective. And in PvP, some people get really creative.

But since you already decided that ESO is not the game for you, I won't try to change your mind and instead wish you well and hope you find a game you can truly enjoy.

kypranb14_ESO

I have no issue playing the way I want to. This applies to both PVE and PVP.

I enjoy the combat system, and I would rate ESO at the top of the list for combat systems in MMORPG.

I really enjoy Templars and Nightblades. I don't enjoy Dragonknights, Wardens, or Sorcerers as much. Maybe try a different class? I've maxed them all out regardless though, just in case they ever change in a way that I might enjoy.

If your having issues with people rushing through dungeons, I'd suggest asking in zone chat for like-minded people. Or even find a guild for it.

You absolutely can heal as a mage.My Magicka Nightblade deals ~20.4k damage per critical cast of Swallow Soul. This heals me for 35% of the damage done. I also have a spell called Healthy offering which allows me to deal damage to myself to heal other people. This spell heals ~14k without critically healing. My third heal is refreshing path, this heals everyone standing in it for thousands per second.

tinythinker

@Dubsize

Feedback is always welcome despite how some people reply to it. Nothing wrong with having an initial impression. I avoid some of the issues you mentioned by playing with guild members so I can listen to dialog on a first run of content.

If there are parts you like and parts you don't that's fine. Lots of people find enough they enjoy to keep logging in. It's also OK when people don't. I hope you find your niche if you ever try the game again. Good luck wherever you land!

Odovacar

Sorry to hear! Good luck on your next game you play.

Skwor

Played since beta, 5+ years, 14 alts 5 full crafters. Played all the Elder scrolls PC games. My experience on your criticisms is the exact opposite of yours.

I will give your 1 month insights all their due for a 1 month experience, not even sure why I bothered reading the post..

Good Bye seems the most appropriate thing to say.

Zypheran

I think you might be listening too much to the very vocal minority. I am playing this game for 4 years and the vast majority of people I have met are a lot more casual than what you are describing. I have never run a meta build because I don't enjoy that kind of prescribed gameplay, and yet it has never held me back. I can still participate effectively in every aspect of this game. Sure, I'm not going to be on the leader board and feature in the top 1%, but the real downfall in the min/max approach is the mistaken and widespread belief that if you're not at the very top then you must be rubbish! This is of course nonsense! This game is richly layered in its depth. There are many subtle levels between top and bottom. You don't really sacrifice that much by wandering off the BiS pathway.

MartiniDaniels

Dubsize wrote: »

So i tried ESO for a month. For convinience i had a plus membership without crafting bag its unplayable in my opinion.

Some points i rly struggle with are:

I have to make to much compromises playing it.

-The classes and the way i want to play dont fit well so i felt very fast the lack of freedom.

-Classes in generell dont fit the Elder Scrolls very well theyre kinda weird. (Warden DK Mage)

-Classes getting boring very very fast

-The min max situation and the meta builds from the web to be competetiv, i want to build my own and make own choices but i think im the last who plays this way.

-Rushing in every social aspect like dungeons raids. I cant even listen to the quests and notice why im here and what im doing.

-Combat is meh its a bit like the worst from sp and mmos

so all in one its a not so good sp and bad mmo

BUT story and voiced quest are awesome. And the areas some of them are rly nice.

So have fun guys but im out it doesnt rly get me playing but was a ok month or so.

Fair points, but ESO is much better when you know it deeper.
Beginning of the game has some strange combination of easy and tedious combat, which is empowered by high CPs making random normal dungeons and making them trivial to newbies.

Skwor

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Dubsize wrote: »

So i tried ESO for a month. For convinience i had a plus membership without crafting bag its unplayable in my opinion.

Some points i rly struggle with are:

I have to make to much compromises playing it.

-The classes and the way i want to play dont fit well so i felt very fast the lack of freedom.

-Classes in generell dont fit the Elder Scrolls very well theyre kinda weird. (Warden DK Mage)

-Classes getting boring very very fast

-The min max situation and the meta builds from the web to be competetiv, i want to build my own and make own choices but i think im the last who plays this way.

-Rushing in every social aspect like dungeons raids. I cant even listen to the quests and notice why im here and what im doing.

-Combat is meh its a bit like the worst from sp and mmos

so all in one its a not so good sp and bad mmo

BUT story and voiced quest are awesome. And the areas some of them are rly nice.

So have fun guys but im out it doesnt rly get me playing but was a ok month or so.

Fair points, but ESO is much better when you know it deeper.
Beginning of the game has some strange combination of easy and tedious combat, which is empowered by high CPs making random normal dungeons and making them trivial to newbies.

This makes no sense, how does high CP make a random dungeon trivial for a newbie? Uhmm.. newbies would have NO CPs.

snarkomatic

Find a better guild. What platform are you on?

There's a ton of room to play with the so-called meta and still do 30-40k+ dps, it just requires an understanding of game mechanics to accomplish. One of our best tanks is a sorcerer. One of our vet healers is a DK. I've run with a great sorc healer as well. You're not nearly as limited as some people might try to make you feel. It's certainly much more open-ended than WoW, for example.

That said, as everyone else has mentioned above me ... if it's not the game for you, it's not the game for you. Good luck and godspeed out there finding something that suits you better.

MartiniDaniels

And also this horrible system with which you became weaker with every lvl up if you are not changing gear each several levels.

essi2

If you want to experience group content at your own pace you need a social guild to do it with.

As for the classes and builds, ESO has one of the more flexible class systems in western MMORPGs.


It sounds like ESO just isn't the game for you

Mr_Potato

I've only been playing for about 8 months and for the most part, I would agree with the OP. A tank should be a tank, healer a healer, and damage dealers does damage. Is a tank that pops a damage enhancement spell really being an effective tank? Is a dps that pops a heal really producing enough damage? Not to mention healers that try to dps during trials. This creates a lot of holes in the roles and makes if very hard to see where the break-down is. Yes, this is all subject to individual interpretation.

Maybe the issue is with the limited spell bar and having to flip between them to continuously achieve something. I do not know.

Good luck in your next game OP. Let me know if you find something interesting.

Waffennacht

As a 4+ year vet.

He's mostly correct.

There's little freedom because there's very few choices; essentially once you pick mag or Stam the rest of your kit is pre determined. Got a Stam version and a mag that's it.

There is no comprised passive selection; it's not A or B or C in ESO; it's A and B and C.

While most games also have only 4/5 classes, their tree progression gives a way more diverse field.

PvE is too hard if you play as you want (vet dlc etc) but too easy if you know what you're doing; difficulty comes in the form of one shots.

Plenty of great things about ESO yes, but that doesn't change certain aspects OP hit on

Skwor

Waffennacht wrote: »

As a 4+ year vet.

He's mostly correct.

There's little freedom because there's very few choices; essentially once you pick mag or Stam the rest of your kit is pre determined. Got a Stam version and a mag that's it.

There is no comprised passive selection; it's not A or B or C in ESO; it's A and B and C.

While most games also have only 4/5 classes, their tree progression gives a way more diverse field.

PvE is too hard if you play as you want (vet dlc etc) but too easy if you know what you're doing; difficulty comes in the form of one shots.

Plenty of great things about ESO yes, but that doesn't change certain aspects OP hit on

And yet I use no BiS or meta builds and have completed two Coldwell golds for 2 alts and my healer has completed all DLCs as well as Caldwell's gold. My Sorc alt finished Coldharber / Molag using no CPs. I should note I did not plan it that way, I literally just forgot to assign any.

Now as far as VET of course you need to start aligning to a meta build, what world you expect otherwise? Hardmode is not hardmode if it does not require some min/maxng. Really no point if all content can be face rolled with no effort to improve your character.

As a 5+ year vet I am not seeing anything close to what you describe.

Chilly-McFreeze

Skwor wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Dubsize wrote: »

So i tried ESO for a month. For convinience i had a plus membership without crafting bag its unplayable in my opinion.

Some points i rly struggle with are:

I have to make to much compromises playing it.

-The classes and the way i want to play dont fit well so i felt very fast the lack of freedom.

-Classes in generell dont fit the Elder Scrolls very well theyre kinda weird. (Warden DK Mage)

-Classes getting boring very very fast

-The min max situation and the meta builds from the web to be competetiv, i want to build my own and make own choices but i think im the last who plays this way.

-Rushing in every social aspect like dungeons raids. I cant even listen to the quests and notice why im here and what im doing.

-Combat is meh its a bit like the worst from sp and mmos

so all in one its a not so good sp and bad mmo

BUT story and voiced quest are awesome. And the areas some of them are rly nice.

So have fun guys but im out it doesnt rly get me playing but was a ok month or so.

Fair points, but ESO is much better when you know it deeper.
Beginning of the game has some strange combination of easy and tedious combat, which is empowered by high CPs making random normal dungeons and making them trivial to newbies.

This makes no sense, how does high CP make a random dungeon trivial for a newbie? Uhmm.. newbies would have NO CPs.

I think he means random dungeons become trivial for newbies when they end up with 3 cp capped players who rush through it.

FierceSam

I tried ESO for a month.

But that was a long, long time ago.

Never could seem to shake it off.

Beardimus

Dubsize wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Dubsize wrote: »

The min max situation and the meta builds from the web to be competetiv, i want to build my own and make own choices but i think im the last who plays this way.

Do you already tackle endgame vet content after a month or why do you feel it's necessary to slot BiS items? For everything else, to an extend even for PvP, you can indeed play how you want. Sure, class system limits us all, but for question and doing (normal) dungeons it nearly doesn't even matter what you slot.

Im in a guild and even in the normal raids it began with dps here dps there... I played other mmos before and i cant here this word anymore. Of course u can run around with a wet noudle but getting spammed to death in seconds with a lava whip or another *** skill isnt fun for me.

I hear this argument often u can heal as a mage and so on ur so free and so on. But thats not true its an illusion people keeping alive. U can but u will suck at the most. Thats it and thats not a good feeling.

You have alot of inaccuracies in what you are saying. You can heal with a Pet Sorc right up through hard vet content. They have opened the game up hugely in this way.

I don't think you hav given the game enough time or a poem enough approach to get the most out of it.

Listing your actual problems i e what build you want etc would help. Loads of people don't min max, or copy streamers. You need better guilds i think to e joy the game

Wildberryjack

Dubsize wrote: »

Of course u can run around with a wet noudle but getting spammed to death in seconds with a lava whip or another *** skill isnt fun for me.

You're mostly talking about PvP aren't you. Someone with a meta build and a ton of experience is going to eat your lunch, yes. You won't be able to hold your own until you are on their level. It's that way in every MMO in existence.

Also, you can do everything on every class, that is freedom. You can build your character for however you want to play, that is freedom. Those two things aren't offered by hardly any other MMO as their class structures are usually very rigid. But if you want to excel at a specific element in this game then yes you will have to pick the right class and build... same as in every other MMO in existence.

If the game isn't for you that's fine, find one that is. It's supposed to be fun and if it isn't then you should move on.

dazee

kongkim wrote: »

#4 You are total right. The meta and Min/Max talk in this game is horrible and too much. Also hate it.
I alsway rundt a mix og some guid builds and my own. Its so borring to have the same as anyone els.

to many people in this game think you need 20k dps to do vet dungeons. because they dont want to take the time and only want to rush through them.

Normal vets 15 or even 10k dps is enough if you have patience and the intelligence to do mechanics. DLC vets sadly sometimes not.

ZOS needs to fix balance in this game so the meta isnt head and shoulders better than everything else. allow real choices.

lets be real. its not a choice if it sucks. no one will choose to suck.

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