Dragonscale Crown crates are predatory.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

luizhd wrote: »

Hey, OP. There`s no need to shame people for things they have no control over like a psychological issue. Why not have some respect instead of stooping to that kind of level. That person is putting some effort into getting out there and being vulnerable.

Let`s all act like adults here.

I'm quite used to it.

I have that information in my signature for the benefit of fellow board users so that it is explained what is happening if I go off on one.

Fortunately, I'm not bothered by that rather unfortunate comment in the slightest.

Imperial_Voice

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

luizhd wrote: »

Hey, OP. There`s no need to shame people for things they have no control over like a psychological issue. Why not have some respect instead of stooping to that kind of level. That person is putting some effort into getting out there and being vulnerable.

Let`s all act like adults here.

I'm quite used to it.

I have that information in my signature for the benefit of fellow board users so that it is explained what is happening if I go off on one.

Fortunately, I'm not bothered by that rather unfortunate comment in the slightest.

Good that you handle that sort of thing so well. I think some people just resort to mean spirited comments and personal attacks because they have no logical argument to make.

luizhd

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

luizhd wrote: »

Hey, OP. There`s no need to shame people for things they have no control over like a psychological issue. Why not have some respect instead of stooping to that kind of level. That person is putting some effort into getting out there and being vulnerable.

Let`s all act like adults here.

I'm quite used to it.

I have that information in my signature for the benefit of fellow board users so that it is explained what is happening if I go off on one.

Fortunately, I'm not bothered by that rather unfortunate comment in the slightest.

Good that you handle that sort of thing so well. I think some people just resort to mean spirited comments and personal attacks because they have no logical argument to make.

Sounds like the internet alright. To be fair tho, people are rarely ever objective and logical even if they say or feel like they are. But yeah, it`s a lot easier for some people to just attack you instead of trying to make some arguments.

Girl_Number8

Ohtimbar wrote: »

It's all predatory.

Predator is predatory too....

Sorry you didn't get what you wanted OP.

@IzzyStardust Yussss!! I so wanted the 🌈 to be an emote for PvP. I wish Zos would change it.

haelene

I don't understand how the argument "Zos is a business, they need to make money" is valid for this particular argument. Of course they are, and of course they do, nobody is denying that. It's okay for Zos to try and make money.

The crux of the problem is the way they are making money. Lootcrates are designed in such a way that you end up paying way more than is reasonable for the things you want, if you even actually get what you wanted in the first place.

Basically cash shops themselves aren't predatory, trying to makes money in and of itself isn't, but lootboxes are without a shadow of a doubt. If they sold things directly there would be less of an issue.

Having said that it's an unfortunate truth that lootboxes are here to stay as long as they continue to be profitable and unregulated.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

I got one of the black pets- an ugly guar tho. I want to exchange it for gems so bad

Edit: from the new crates

IzzyStardust

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Ohtimbar wrote: »

It's all predatory.

Predator is predatory too....

Sorry you didn't get what you wanted OP.

@IzzyStardust Yussss!! I so wanted the 🌈 to be an emote for PvP. I wish Zos would change it.

Same! *imma heal yo azz with rainbows!* lol and also nice alternative to kissthis xD

IzzyStardust

FleetwoodSmack wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

I love the rainbow 🌈 memento - but dammit zos, Why was this not an emote!?!! I would have loved that in PVP!

I love the hand puppet, too - your char even goes ‘mehmehmeh’ to it! Also it IS an emote - which is fabulous!

I got the apex wolf mount which appears very smoothly, and rides nice tbh not a fan of wolves but rather like this one!

I also got the pretty (non apex/radiant) senche, the azura body and face markings, and the bronze eye shadow among other things; which are all very nice!

I got a few banners which I cashed in for gems.

I bought the 5500 and the 3000 crown packs and spent them all + the 300 I had left on crates - I believe the total was 25.

I'm willing to bet they didn't allow the rainbow memento as an emote because of the salt it'd create in PvP. I'd have loved it too. ;_;

Nerf rainbows!

ZOS_RogerJ

Just a friendly reminder to keep the thread, civil, constructive and on-topic. It’s okay and very normal to disagree with others, and even to debate, but provoking conflict, baiting, inciting, mocking, etc. is never acceptable in the official The Elder Scrolls Online community.

Stewart1874

These crown crates are actually *** shite. I don't know who okayed them but jesus, absolutely awful. No costumes and pishy motif skins for 200 crown crate points - pathetic. If you're going to try and rob me at least make me interested in what you're flogging!

I've barely played this game in months - have accumulated over 8k crowns in unspent crowns. Log in most weekends to have a quick look before boredom sets in and I leave again.

Jayne_Doe

luizhd wrote: »

Of course it`s predatory lol. The whole psychology behind Lootboxes is to filter casual spenders from wales, enticing the former to give in to their addictive nature and low self control. The only reason it`s not considered "gambling" by the law in most counties (yet) is because technically you always get a "prize" and that`s done 100% on purpose in order to avoid breaking the law. I mean, come on... not only you can get duplicates in these crates, but the first 3 tiers of prizes are complete garbage everyone turns into gems to see if they can eventually buy something useful. Look at the sheer amount of garbage you need to get past in order to get the lowest ranking mounts

50, FIFTY prizes!!!!

So far I`ve opened around 11 boxes. 10 free twitch drop crates and the one you get when you reach a certain level. Every single free would only give me white or green tier prizes while the one I got by leveling up gave me a blue one. That means I was only able to get up to tier 3 out of 7.

2 days ago I saw a thread done by a guy who spent 150 bucks opening crates in order to get the top apex mount and still couldn`t get it. Know what`s even worse? Even if he turned every useless junk he got instead into gems he STILL wouldn`t be able to get the mount he wanted.

Naive is the person who thinks that isn`t the case. The worst kind however are the Enablers, which you can see quite often in the forum. Even in this exact thread. They`ll quickly try to rationalize why Lootboxes are alright by comparing real life costs with in-game premium purchases or say you need to pay for service A to use Service B in real life, so doing the same in a game is no different. Most of them have already spent dozens, hundreds or even thousands of dollars in games and accepting they are enablers and actively working against themselves and the rest of the player base would be too much for them to do so. Instead of that they`ll keep trying to justify it.

It`s a lost battle, dude. Honestly most forum users in here are long-time players who will pay for anything bethesda throws at them. You wont get a lot of support in here.

Umm...I'm a long-time player and I DON'T buy crates. ETA: And I DON'T buy everything (or even half the things) offered in the CS. Labeling all long-time players as whales doesn't help your argument.

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Michae

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

luizhd wrote: »

Of course it`s predatory lol. The whole psychology behind Lootboxes is to filter casual spenders from wales, enticing the former to give in to their addictive nature and low self control. The only reason it`s not considered "gambling" by the law in most counties (yet) is because technically you always get a "prize" and that`s done 100% on purpose in order to avoid breaking the law. I mean, come on... not only you can get duplicates in these crates, but the first 3 tiers of prizes are complete garbage everyone turns into gems to see if they can eventually buy something useful. Look at the sheer amount of garbage you need to get past in order to get the lowest ranking mounts

50, FIFTY prizes!!!!

So far I`ve opened around 11 boxes. 10 free twitch drop crates and the one you get when you reach a certain level. Every single free would only give me white or green tier prizes while the one I got by leveling up gave me a blue one. That means I was only able to get up to tier 3 out of 7.

2 days ago I saw a thread done by a guy who spent 150 bucks opening crates in order to get the top apex mount and still couldn`t get it. Know what`s even worse? Even if he turned every useless junk he got instead into gems he STILL wouldn`t be able to get the mount he wanted.

Naive is the person who thinks that isn`t the case. The worst kind however are the Enablers, which you can see quite often in the forum. Even in this exact thread. They`ll quickly try to rationalize why Lootboxes are alright by comparing real life costs with in-game premium purchases or say you need to pay for service A to use Service B in real life, so doing the same in a game is no different. Most of them have already spent dozens, hundreds or even thousands of dollars in games and accepting they are enablers and actively working against themselves and the rest of the player base would be too much for them to do so. Instead of that they`ll keep trying to justify it.

It`s a lost battle, dude. Honestly most forum users in here are long-time players who will pay for anything bethesda throws at them. You wont get a lot of support in here.

Umm...I'm a long-time player and I DON'T buy crates. ETA: And I DON'T buy everything (or even half the things) offered in the CS. Labeling all long-time players as whales doesn't help your argument.

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Oh, don't act all hurt. The point still stands, and remember that the word "most" isn't a synonym of "everyone". Maybe saying the most users are whales is the overstatement but that wasn't the main point of that post, don't you agree?

bigw925_ESO

reading quantact and Luizhd's arguments I have to say that I side with Luizhd on this one. its funny because early on he called out quantact as being both naive and an enabler without even knowing it. Quantact actually told him that he was the naive one who had spent $150 on loot crates. That only justifies Luizhd's argument even more. quantact spent $150 on loot crates and then justifies it by saying that ZOS needs the money.

ZOS charges a premium price ($60) for each expansion and then they add the option of the collectors edition on top of that for $70. They used to have the Physical collectors edition for over $100 (I bought 3 of them) Then they have ESO plus which a lot of people use. I know I personally pay for ESO+ for the crafting bag alone. They then have all of the items in the crown store for sale. A lot of which also aren't cheap.

So according to quantacts argument if they got rid of loot crates this game would fail. and ZOS would go belly up.

TelvanniWizard

Scam crates are a shame and shoul be eliminated. I'm all in for crown store, but ganbling for a chance to get something is disgusting, to say the least.

Unit117

Honestly eso and everyone should be disgusted by this practice.,it should not be considered acceptable

Starlock

Unit117 wrote: »

Honestly eso and everyone should be disgusted by this practice.,it should not be considered acceptable

I wish they did them like Overwatch boxes. I haven't played that game in months, but they did loot boxes right. They revamped them early on so you wouldn't draw a ton of duplicates and there were no trash items in them to speak of. Crates in this game should be like that. Then you could always feel like you were getting your money's worth.

Michae

Starlock wrote: »

Unit117 wrote: »

Honestly eso and everyone should be disgusted by this practice.,it should not be considered acceptable

I wish they did them like Overwatch boxes. I haven't played that game in months, but they did loot boxes right. They revamped them early on so you wouldn't draw a ton of duplicates and there were no trash items in them to speak of. Crates in this game should be like that. Then you could always feel like you were getting your money's worth.

Also you can get Overwatch lootboxes for free by playing the game. And I don't count Twitch drops here as they contain mostly trash. It was fine in ESO when you got some from daily rewards or from ESO+ subscription, now this all dried up.

FischyJones

The crates are illegal in most parts of europe.
Hey ZOS, how do you like a nice lawsuit?

Living_Ded

Hmm.. I feel like I've seen this post before....

redlink1979

At the end of the day, it's a personal choice to purchase the evil crates or not...

redlink1979

luizhd wrote: »

Honestly most forum users in here are long-time players who will pay for anything bethesda throws at them.

Wrong assumption. Way wrong.