With all the stamina morphs for necromancer, I hope ZOS goes back and looks at the old classes too

MaxJrFTW

They need to completely rebalance passives the for the 4 original classes. It's ridiculous how every warden and necromancer passive is good for both stamina and magicka, but for the other classes most of the passives are useless for stamina. The lack of stamina morphs has always been a huge issue for me as well. I consider it one of the major flaws of this game.

casparian

Alucardo wrote: »

they can't really go back and change magicka morphs to stamina on older classes because people are using them

If any magsorc is using Crystal Blast, ZOS would be doing them a favor by taking it away and giving it to stamsorcs.

Alucardo

casparian wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

they can't really go back and change magicka morphs to stamina on older classes because people are using them

If any magsorc is using Crystal Blast, ZOS would be doing them a favor by taking it away and giving it to stamsorcs.

Lmao actually yeah, that is one morph I've ever only seen one person use, and it was in PvP... I don't think his world would stop if it was changed tbh. He'd probably just start using snipe like the rest of his AD brethren

Defilted

It would be nice to be able to have hard choices between moprhs and a viable morph for stamina. Like having my cake and eating it too. Not possible, but a nice dream. Two magika morphs and Two stam morphs are never going to happen.

A slight change to Sorc passives or just one additional stam morph somewhere would probably be all StamSorc needs. I currently play a Duelwield/2h StamSorc(have for a while) and it is effective when used in concert with Dawnbreaker(PVP). I don't think Stam Sorc needs a huge buff, but a nudge would be very helpful.

Someone suggested a pet with a stam morph. Please no.... There is enough pet clutter.

Changing the other frag morph to Stam sounds interesting.. Not sure where I would put it in my current setup.. Would be fun to try though. 5 light attacks, then frag like NB? Random active skill proc/then cast like the magika version. Something new?

Canned_Apples

devilsTear wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Well we know the stam whip isn’t coming. They just reworked one of the whip morphs for the upcoming patch. If they were gonna add a stam whip they would have.

What are they planning with whip?

Molten Whip: Every Ardent Flame ability cast increases it's next cast by damage by x%, up to 3 times. Casting Molten Whip at any point will consume the bonus.

Alucardo wrote: »

One morph is always used more often than the other, outside of niche/"fun builds," with Templar being the only class that tends to utilize both magicka morphs.

Starlock

While a nice idea, I worry about them doing this.

Contrary to some beliefs, not everyone uses the allegedly popular morphs. No, you would not be doing us any favors by getting rid of it and reworking it as a stamina morph. These sorts of changes can ruin our characters in ways few other changes can. If done at all, they must be done very carefully. And not based on the allegedly popular choice for morphs, which I'd hazard to say most players really do not care about. They do not play the game often enough to care about which morph is supposedly the "correct" one to pick. They pick what is fun or what looks neat to them, which could be anything.

Tommy_The_Gun

Agree. Necro looks incredibly OP & Broken right now. Although they said that necromancer will have various tweaks before it goes on the PTS, with all do respect, tweaks wont do s**t.
Compared to classes we have right now in game, I am worried that ZOS will make new class even more P2W than Warden originally was (mostly in PvP). In case of Necromancer it might be P2W even in PvE (Scoreboards). I hope I am wrong, and this will not happen.
I any case, I can see it more & more clear: Classes in ESO with every nerf are slowly loosing their identity and are being homogenised.

I really do hope that we will see some nice buffs for classes in areas where they really need them.
Hope... hope is all we have.

Nerouyn

Footfalls wrote: »

Players have been asking for DK stamina whip for the longest time now, and stamina sorcerer has barely any stamina morphs to speak of (only three skills!)

Stam warden also only has three stamina morphs. Of course, that's 3/4 of warden's entire set of damage abilities.

Try being a mag warden.

Stamina players have four damage weapon skill lines to magicka's one. Plus werewolf.

Lord_Sando

Alucardo wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

they can't really go back and change magicka morphs to stamina on older classes because people are using them

If any magsorc is using Crystal Blast, ZOS would be doing them a favor by taking it away and giving it to stamsorcs.

Lmao actually yeah, that is one morph I've ever only seen one person use, and it was in PvP... I don't think his world would stop if it was changed tbh. He'd probably just start using snipe like the rest of his AD brethren

A Stam version of Crystal blast would be nice but the one that would really make the most sense would be a stam version of curse the delayed burst would bring the class in line with others while allowing the use of the daedric protection passive and blood magic passive. Also a stam morph of over load is LONG overdue since over load was gutted.

Urvoth

Not just for stamina, but some class skills and passives are just pointless/useless all round and need a big rework.

Crixus8000

Lord_Sando wrote: »

A Stam version of Crystal blast would be nice but the one that would really make the most sense would be a stam version of curse the delayed burst would bring the class in line with others while allowing the use of the daedric protection passive and blood magic passive. Also a stam morph of over load is LONG overdue since over load was gutted.

A stam curse would not allow us to use blood magic passive, as that is in dark magic line and curse is in daedric summoning.

If I could choose 2 dream skills it would be a stam version of crystal blast so we get a good damage stamina ability and gain access to blood magic passive and then a stam version of atro so we actually get a class ult and can take advantage of the currently useless passives in the deadric summoning line.

Chilly-McFreeze

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Lord_Sando wrote: »

A Stam version of Crystal blast would be nice but the one that would really make the most sense would be a stam version of curse the delayed burst would bring the class in line with others while allowing the use of the daedric protection passive and blood magic passive. Also a stam morph of over load is LONG overdue since over load was gutted.

A stam curse would not allow us to use blood magic passive, as that is in dark magic line and curse is in daedric summoning.

If I could choose 2 dream skills it would be a stam version of crystal blast so we get a good damage stamina ability and gain access to blood magic passive and then a stam version of atro so we actually get a class ult and can take advantage of the currently useless passives in the deadric summoning line.

Right about Blood Magic, but Curse would grant you Daedric Protection without being dead weight. And before someone chimes in with "but my mag sorc needs both morphs", just add the pet buff to the basic skill. While storm atro would be nice, I honestly wouldn't use it over DB in PvP.

Jamdarius

SFDB wrote: »

Stamina Staves and Magicka Swords skill lines. Make it so!

I would say time for Spear weapon skill line which would work the best with hybrid builds. A magicka and stamina based attacks morphs or something.

Crixus8000

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Right about Blood Magic, but Curse would grant you Daedric Protection without being dead weight. And before someone chimes in with "but my mag sorc needs both morphs", just add the pet buff to the basic skill. While storm atro would be nice, I honestly wouldn't use it over DB in PvP.

Good point, I find bar space such an issue though and it really bothers me that it's so hard to get daedric protection, because it'a needed on both bars. Thats why I really want a stam atro, because sure db would be best front as your main ult but if stam atro was useful it could be used in some other situations, just like sometimes spell wall is a better option than db. Then you could backbar atro and gain daedric protection while having it on front too from curse or armaments.

But I would also love to be able to use blood magic passive, stam sorc is squishy and this would be such a nice passive to have, it sucks looking at supposed class passives and not even being able to use them.

TrinityBreaker

SoLooney wrote: »

I feel like all classes besides the sorc have really good morphs for stam, some more than others.

Almost all the skills for sorcerer are catered to magicka. You have hurricane, bound armaments, I know I'm missing another skill. Crit surge is really good for stam sorc too. But skills def need rework, more stam morph options.

Stam DK says hello

Ysbriel

They already said on their last stream that they are going to focus on the Necromancer for now

miteba

#offtopic

@Canned_Apples where are these possible future changes? I've been reading about some but couldnt find anything in PTS or patch notes...
Can somebody link here? Thanks

dazee

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Having that many stamina morphs is actually bad for build choices. If one morph is for Magicka and the other for Stamina then there isn’t really any choice at all, you have to pick the one for your primary resource.

I prefer morphs that are a tough decision, like Liquid Lightning vs Flood, or Breath of Life vs Honor the Dead. Morphs like Impale vs Killers Blade are just boring.

That's backwards. Build choices exist so you can make DIFFERENT builds both stamina and magicka. Morphs so you can pick one for your specific needs exist to allow that.

What would solve this issue completely is to bring back hybrids. make damage scale on the total magicka AND stamina not one or the other.

Canned_Apples

@miteba
There aren't any patch notes. The pts isn't going to be updated until the 15th.
That's just something the people that went to play Elswyer at HQ said were one of several changes they noticed.

TriangularChicken

Faulgor wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

I feel like all classes besides the sorc have really good morphs for stam, some more than others.

Almost all the skills for sorcerer are catered to magicka. You have hurricane, bound armaments, I know I'm missing another skill. Crit surge is really good for stam sorc too. But skills def need rework, more stam morph options.

Yeah it's mainly Sorcerer that's lagging behind. Nightblades are of course fine, Templars have a good array of stamina morphs where it makes sense, and I think even DKs don't need that much - or lack of stamina morphs is certainly not their main issue. Besides a stamina whip, I think the only real contenders for a stam morph is Dragonknight Standard, which could have a poison damage morph.

As for Stamsorcs, they currently lack any defining theme whatsoever, so it's difficult to make concrete suggestions how to improve them. It's in their lore that they're skilled with artifacts and enchantments, so it's not unreasonable that they make more use of weapon skills than other stamina classes, but they need something to make that shine.

Yo I don't play stamplar, but even I know they are not in the best spot regarding skills and especially passives. There was a forum thread by Rhage (a famous Stamplar) where he posted a video about stamplars and their passives.

Agree on stam sorc part, they need some love!