Shield stacking sorcs are broken again...

Gretzel

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Not really. Essentially mag sorcs have settled into the only way to not be obliterated and while it is tanky AF and they still can produce damage, if you take away this there will be nothing left quite literally. Most people don’t like playing SB pet sorcs, I’d rather not. But you go down so quickly without it, one small mistake and you’re done. Bar space is crowded, almost every attack is stupid easy to dodge. My mag sorc is probably my third most played toon but just leave them alone. Pets have always been an issue for a lot of reasons, nothing new there. What mag sorc (and stam sorc) needs is a rework so that there is less cheese to rely on but more solid build choices.

I'm not talking about pet sorcs. People who rely on the zoo to get by are either bad players or role players.

Meh, you can roleplay and be good too. I just started this game a month ago so I'm working on it but in guild wars 2 I roleplayed and pvp'd and went toe to toe with first place championship players as necro.

Kova

Was this an April fool's thread? Or did we get a wave of new players who can't dawnbreaker?

HEBREWHAMMERRR

You mess with shields more and you’re going to murder magblade even further. You mess with a sorcs ward you’re going to put them in the ground with magblades. Competent stam characters can still handle sorcs, adapt your playstyle.

Didgerion

Alucardo wrote: »

Last sorc I fought used the resto ult 5 times before I gave up and walked away. I don't think it's shields that are the problem...

@Alucardo wait wait wait...what was the expected result?
What's the exact reason you put resto ulti on the overperforming pile?

You survived 5 sorcs resto ultis after-all...you are not revealing all your cards my friend....looks like there are other things in the game that overperform.

Alucardo

Didgerion wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Last sorc I fought used the resto ult 5 times before I gave up and walked away. I don't think it's shields that are the problem...

You survived 5 sorcs resto ultis after-all...you are not revealing all your cards my friend....looks like there are other things in the game that overperform.

Yep. Harness is overperforming. There's no way we both could have sustained as long as we did without harness. Next time I'm just going to take my hands off the keyboard. At the end of the fight I was shaking, parched, and felt like my eyes had sunken into the back of my face.

PhoenixGrey

Kova wrote: »

Was this an April fool's thread? Or did we get a wave of new players who can't dawnbreaker?

Every nerf sorc thread is an April fool's thread. Usually by a bunch who eat too many crayons for a living.

Iskiab

Shield and sorcs are fine as is. I’d say as close to perfectly balanced as you can get. Put 4 of them in a group and they don’t do too well, put a tanky DK in front of them so they can pull of their burst combo and they’re deadly.

I think the devs did a really good job tbh. Proof is this thread, when there are ‘OP threads’ and ‘we’ve been gutted’ too they’re in a good spot.

Stibbons

Shield stacking should should go. That was and still is the problem.

kalitoslime

ok NB gets detect pots Templar’s gets defile wardens get defiled Dk gets Defiled. What’s the debuff for Sorc shields?

SacredEarth

kalitoslime wrote: »

ok NB gets detect pots Templar’s gets defile wardens get defiled Dk gets Defiled. What’s the debuff for Sorc shields?

It is not needed.

MaxJrFTW

SacredEarth wrote: »

kalitoslime wrote: »

ok NB gets detect pots Templar’s gets defile wardens get defiled Dk gets Defiled. What’s the debuff for Sorc shields?

It is not needed.

Spoken like a true fotm meta chaser.

Arzharo

Sorcs are broken. Nothing more to say.

InvictusApollo

I have only three symbols for anyone whining about shields or sorcerers: l2p.

LukosCreyden

IS THIS A NERF SORC THREAD I SEE ??

Gilvoth

shield breaker set not breaking their shields like suppose to be.

PhoenixGrey

InvictusApollo wrote: »

I have only three symbols for anyone whining about shields or sorcerers: l2p.

Probably just give em more crayons to chew on.

Betty_Booms

kalitoslime wrote: »

ok NB gets detect pots Templar’s gets defile wardens get defiled Dk gets Defiled. What’s the debuff for Sorc shields?

Detect pots give a very small window of detection over a very large period to the most op skill in the game.

Mag Sorcs dont have a defile.....
Dks mitigate most of a sorcs damage by 50%....
All classes have access to one of the 2 shields worth stacking...the most powerful one.
Its just as bad as stam popping vigor before engaging....except vigor is more powerful...

Urvoth

There are literally a handful of BG sorcs that aren’t FOTM meta chasers. The rest of the sorcs you see your matches filled with are basically free points who can’t keep up their shields and only know how to spam flame reach and fury.

oxygen_thief

Urvoth wrote: »

There are literally a handful of BG sorcs that aren’t FOTM meta chasers. The rest of the sorcs you see your matches filled with are basically free points who can’t keep up their shields and only know how to spam flame reach and fury.

what should they spam?

Luckylancer

"I could not kill this magsorc for several minutes" are stupid. You miss the fact that he could not kill you too.

PhoenixGrey

Urvoth wrote: »

There are literally a handful of BG sorcs that aren’t FOTM meta chasers. The rest of the sorcs you see your matches filled with are basically free points who can’t keep up their shields and only know how to spam flame reach and fury.

The annoying part is how certain sorcs build for zero defense and still be effective due to their pocket healer due to resists stacking on shields.

One of the worst decision in this game IMO which I think is causing all these threads where zerglings can't figure out how to kill other zergling sorcs

Urvoth

oxygen_thief wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

There are literally a handful of BG sorcs that aren’t FOTM meta chasers. The rest of the sorcs you see your matches filled with are basically free points who can’t keep up their shields and only know how to spam flame reach and fury.

what should they spam?

They should do the normal combo...

MaxJrFTW

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

There are literally a handful of BG sorcs that aren’t FOTM meta chasers. The rest of the sorcs you see your matches filled with are basically free points who can’t keep up their shields and only know how to spam flame reach and fury.

The annoying part is how certain sorcs build for zero defense and still be effective due to their pocket healer due to resists stacking on shields.

One of the worst decision in this game IMO which I think is causing all these threads where zerglings can't figure out how to kill other zergling sorcs

This is a bg thread. Not a cyrodiil thread. Nobody is zerging anyone, except blood sport, donjay, and sunbark.

You also have to stop thinking every sorc thread is aimed at you. If every sorc was as good as you are i'd be asking for sorc buffs, not asking why they're so broken.

PhoenixGrey

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

PhoenixGrey wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

There are literally a handful of BG sorcs that aren’t FOTM meta chasers. The rest of the sorcs you see your matches filled with are basically free points who can’t keep up their shields and only know how to spam flame reach and fury.

The annoying part is how certain sorcs build for zero defense and still be effective due to their pocket healer due to resists stacking on shields.

One of the worst decision in this game IMO which I think is causing all these threads where zerglings can't figure out how to kill other zergling sorcs

This is a bg thread. Not a cyrodiil thread. Nobody is zerging anyone, except blood sport, donjay, and sunbark.

You also have to stop thinking every sorc thread is aimed at you. If every sorc was as good as you are i'd be asking for sorc buffs, not asking why they're so broken.

This situation is further aggravated in BG's. You don't have to keep 3 shields up to be alive when intensely pressured now. Sorc building with resists means they no longer have to choose between offence and defence in presence of a pocket healer and are not punished for mistakes. Just keep hardened ward up if necessary and continue DPS'ing

Arzharo

Sorcs aren't op. They're beyond broken. People denying that fact are delusional magsorc mains or fotms. They have everything - mobility, damage and immortality. Light armor magsorcs are tankier than heavy armor dks and they deal a ridiculous amount of damage.

olsborg

Shieldstacking got nothing on heavy armor turtle survivability.

InvictusApollo

Arzharo wrote: »

Sorcs aren't op. They're beyond broken. People denying that fact are delusional magsorc mains or fotms. They have everything - mobility, damage and immortality. Light armor magsorcs are tankier than heavy armor dks and they deal a ridiculous amount of damage.

Why won't you post some builds and calcualtions that prove your point?
Use the Build Editor and make some builds.
You won't. Even if you knew how, you wouldn't make any sorcerer builds that would be tankier than other classes while having the same damage output. How do I know? Because I've made tanky builds for every single class in this game.
The tankiest sorcerer build that I've created could soak 26k damage every second in a 1v1 scenario while doing some damage. Which is the same as for my tankiest stamblade build. There are several differences though. First of all that stamsorc dies immediately you make a single mistake or get hit with lag or some bug. And second of all it's damage is inferior.

As for mobility sorcs can outrun and outmanouver others... untill you get one competent stamina user who simply has a gap closer.

Volckodav

InvictusApollo wrote: »

Arzharo wrote: »

Sorcs aren't op. They're beyond broken. People denying that fact are delusional magsorc mains or fotms. They have everything - mobility, damage and immortality. Light armor magsorcs are tankier than heavy armor dks and they deal a ridiculous amount of damage.

Why won't you post some builds and calcualtions that prove your point?
Use the Build Editor and make some builds.
You won't. Even if you knew how, you wouldn't make any sorcerer builds that would be tankier than other classes while having the same damage output. How do I know? Because I've made tanky builds for every single class in this game.
The tankiest sorcerer build that I've created could soak 26k damage every second in a 1v1 scenario while doing some damage. Which is the same as for my tankiest stamblade build. There are several differences though. First of all that stamsorc dies immediately you make a single mistake or get hit with lag or some bug. And second of all it's damage is inferior.

As for mobility sorcs can outrun and outmanouver others... untill you get one competent stamina user who simply has a gap closer.

From what I see since last update the one that really shine in PvP are mDK, and thi sis especially true as they are coming back from far!