Shield stacking sorcs are broken again...

MaxJrFTW

What did they break this time? I'm assuming a lot of people finally caught up with the fact that shields are affected by resistance so they're just using Mighty Chudan, possibly protective traits, and the ever so balanced BRP resto. Either way, sorcs don't die. Whether i'm playing high mmr bgs with my main or low mmr bgs with alts, between streak, shield stacking, and endless fury, they're as OP as it gets.

I'll see if i can jump on the bandwagon before Elsweyr.

Thogard

Please do

Emma_Overload

LMFAO @ Mighty Chudan + Resto heals = "as OP as it gets."

Seriously, when I saw a thread about shields being "broken", I thought you were talking about the recently introduced bug that causes Ward to fail to cast until you roll dodge!

BTW, ZOS when IS this bug going to be fixed?

Urvoth

lol

Alucardo

Last sorc I fought used the resto ult 5 times before I gave up and walked away. I don't think it's shields that are the problem...

Bergzorn

Alucardo wrote: »

Last sorc I fought used the resto ult 5 times before I gave up and walked away. I don't think it's shields that are the problem...

Reads to me as they couldn't kill you either.

MaxJrFTW

Urvoth wrote: »

lol

I see you. Don't even try to deny mag sorcs are broken.

Vapirko

Not really. Essentially mag sorcs have settled into the only way to not be obliterated and while it is tanky AF and they still can produce damage, if you take away this there will be nothing left quite literally. Most people don’t like playing SB pet sorcs, I’d rather not. But you go down so quickly without it, one small mistake and you’re done. Bar space is crowded, almost every attack is stupid easy to dodge. My mag sorc is probably my third most played toon but just leave them alone. Pets have always been an issue for a lot of reasons, nothing new there. What mag sorc (and stam sorc) needs is a rework so that there is less cheese to rely on but more solid build choices.

MaxJrFTW

Vapirko wrote: »

Not really. Essentially mag sorcs have settled into the only way to not be obliterated and while it is tanky AF and they still can produce damage, if you take away this there will be nothing left quite literally. Most people don’t like playing SB pet sorcs, I’d rather not. But you go down so quickly without it, one small mistake and you’re done. Bar space is crowded, almost every attack is stupid easy to dodge. My mag sorc is probably my third most played toon but just leave them alone. Pets have always been an issue for a lot of reasons, nothing new there. What mag sorc (and stam sorc) needs is a rework so that there is less cheese to rely on but more solid build choices.

I'm not talking about pet sorcs. People who rely on the zoo to get by are either bad players or role players.

Morgul667

So we are back to nerf sorc threads? Wow that didnt last long

Morgul667

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Not really. Essentially mag sorcs have settled into the only way to not be obliterated and while it is tanky AF and they still can produce damage, if you take away this there will be nothing left quite literally. Most people don’t like playing SB pet sorcs, I’d rather not. But you go down so quickly without it, one small mistake and you’re done. Bar space is crowded, almost every attack is stupid easy to dodge. My mag sorc is probably my third most played toon but just leave them alone. Pets have always been an issue for a lot of reasons, nothing new there. What mag sorc (and stam sorc) needs is a rework so that there is less cheese to rely on but more solid build choices.

I'm not talking about pet sorcs. People who rely on the zoo to get by are either bad players or role players.

But the nerf sorc crowd is great ?

Vapirko

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Not really. Essentially mag sorcs have settled into the only way to not be obliterated and while it is tanky AF and they still can produce damage, if you take away this there will be nothing left quite literally. Most people don’t like playing SB pet sorcs, I’d rather not. But you go down so quickly without it, one small mistake and you’re done. Bar space is crowded, almost every attack is stupid easy to dodge. My mag sorc is probably my third most played toon but just leave them alone. Pets have always been an issue for a lot of reasons, nothing new there. What mag sorc (and stam sorc) needs is a rework so that there is less cheese to rely on but more solid build choices.

I'm not talking about pet sorcs. People who rely on the zoo to get by are either bad players or role players.

I’m not talking about that either. But most mag sorcs play with the matriarch and SB backbar just to be able to survive a bit, zoo sorcs are a different disuse.

olsborg

Emma_Overload wrote: »

LMFAO @ Mighty Chudan + Resto heals = "as OP as it gets."

Seriously, when I saw a thread about shields being "broken", I thought you were talking about the recently introduced bug that causes Ward to fail to cast until you roll dodge!

BTW, ZOS when IS this bug going to be fixed?

I need this bug to be fixed asap.

WuffyCerulei

Bet they’re the same sorcs who hide behind their pets.

MaxJrFTW

Level 29 already. That bad boy will be ready with undaunted and all by the next weekend. Was level 26 with a different magsorc, then realized the character was EP even though i picked Breton which should default it to DC...Ty for that one ZOS, i deleted the character and had to start another one. This double xp thing makes leveling a breeze.

Tremble, mortals, and despair! Doom has come to this world! - Archimonde, 2002

Trinity_Is_My_Name

LOL!

Urvoth

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

lol

I see you. Don't even try to deny mag sorcs are broken.

The LOS issue with pets is broken, but I think you’ll find most magsorc mains in PvP really would prefer a non pet build and are annoyed that zos is pushing sorc in the zookeeper direction. Shields(at least in non cp, idk about cp) are perfectly fine, but personally I’d prefer to go back to the old ones where you just needed to stack max mag.

Now you’re seeing a lot of magsorcs running bloodspawn and the matriarch, which used to both be relatively suboptimal. The extra ult from bloodspawn = resto ult whenever you need it, and the major protection from that plus vamp is huge dmg reduction. Shields aren’t a problem, it’s the peripheral components that are allowing for much better survivability.

I’d say a massive part of sorc survival comes from mobility and positioning, though. Since the speed changes and snare meta, sorcs can largely pick their fights, but you can still kill them fine.

Urvoth

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Level 29 already. That bad boy will be ready with undaunted and all by the next weekend. Was level 26 with a different magsorc, then realized the character was EP even though i picked Breton which should default it to DC...Ty for that one ZOS, i deleted the character and had to start another one. This double xp thing makes leveling a breeze.

Tremble, mortals, and despair! Doom has come to this world! - Archimonde, 2002

Hf reking low mmr noobs. It’ll be 25-0 games over and over till your mmr catches up.

ATomiX96

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

I'll see if i can jump on the bandwagon before Elsweyr.

Youre kinda late, the magsorc bandwagon left about 2 years ago. (crystal frag stun nerf)
But shieldstacking, idk dude, its not the reason magsorcs are kinda good atm.
hint: atro pressure, matriach healing, targetable pets, line-of-sight

Gilvoth

use shieldbreaker set.

InvictusApollo

Last time I fought a good sorcerer, he just sat on a rock because neither of us could do any damage to each other. And that was in noCP.

wheem_ESO

Gilvoth wrote: »

use shieldbreaker set.

I want to say such mean and hateful things about this comment

MaxJrFTW

Gilvoth wrote: »

use shieldbreaker set.

Why would i ever do that? That's a waste of a set.

Btw, i'm not being serious at all. I do believe mag sorcs are very strong in death match. Pre-applied execute, shield spam , and streak allows them for play recklessly. There is however, only 2 or 3 mag sorcs that i personally struggle against, the rest build too defensive to be a problem to anyone. There's also a couple of them whose play style is tailored around stealing kills in death match, but i don't see them a lot anyways.

PhoenixGrey

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Level 29 already. That bad boy will be ready with undaunted and all by the next weekend. Was level 26 with a different magsorc, then realized the character was EP even though i picked Breton which should default it to DC...Ty for that one ZOS, i deleted the character and had to start another one. This double xp thing makes leveling a breeze.

Tremble, mortals, and despair! Doom has come to this world! - Archimonde, 2002

I like your optimism. You will find out soon enough though.

Beardimus

Emma_Overload wrote: »

LMFAO @ Mighty Chudan + Resto heals = "as OP as it gets."

Seriously, when I saw a thread about shields being "broken", I thought you were talking about the recently introduced bug that causes Ward to fail to cast until you roll dodge!

BTW, ZOS when IS this bug going to be fixed?

I lolled too, i thought it was a thread necro shield stacking complaints are very 2016/17

gepe87

When I see a zoo group i just think to myself "you are such a disappoint to our might class".

Haojin

well, their damage is *** agaist the groups have purge / active los ing, which is rare.

the mobility makes me "meh *** it" when i meet a magsorc in pvp, it's way too long patience play.

hint: hit the sorcs stamina; both stun + immobilize + drain stamina poison.

bardx86

gepe87 wrote: »

When I see a zoo group i just think to myself "you are such a disappoint to our might class".

I do too. So i streak right up next to them and kill them first. They have zero damage and are not a threat really.

TheYKcid

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Seriously, when I saw a thread about shields being "broken", I thought you were talking about the recently introduced bug that causes Ward to fail to cast until you roll dodge!

BTW, ZOS when IS this bug going to be fixed?

Yeah this bug didn't get addressed at all lol.

The only thing ZOS "fixed" was the way it got you stuck in the ward cast animation. But the actual bug which causes your ward to not fire, and continue not to fire for the next ~2s, is still very much present.

ZarkingFrued

I mean shields are stackable still to the point of unkillable. A good magsorc can still just live forever until you just get bored fighting them.

Gilvoth

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

I mean shields are stackable still to the point of unkillable. A good magsorc can still just live forever until you just get bored fighting them.

that to me is perfectly fine and i have zero problem with that.
the problem comes in when they are able to kill you with mass damage while at the same exact time they are unkillable with the shields. THAT's where the problem is.
they are the only class that can do that.