Lets compare classes again

eso_lags

Im curious why the necromancer class is going to be released while stam sorc is the way it is. This class is getting is getting so much. So many buffs, so many debuffs, so many unique skills, stamina morphs, etc. I dont even know where to start. What the ***?

I actually think the class looks awesome but other classes are so gimped. I use stam sorc as an example because its probably the most gimped class in terms of skills and passives but other classes pale in comparison, to what the necromancer is looking to be, as well. It was the same thing with the warden, it has an identity. Stam sorc does not, not at all. So I would just like to ask zos, how are you going to put this new class out and leave stam sorc as is? Really? Or are we actually getting some real buffs in elsweyr, because its actually a joke at this point.

Im going to spell it out here and compare the two classes. This is mainly from a pvp damage perspective.

For skills stam sorc has 4/15 useful skills, 6 if you count the magicka stuns. 0/3 useful ultimates..

1 class damage skill in the form of an AOE DOT and self resistance buff that all classes get, a very good sustain/healing skill in dark deal, a passive stam buff with bound armor, and a brutality buff/heal with crit surge. 4 stam skills, 2 of which cost mag and 1 that is a passive skill on your skill bar. We also have 2 magicka stuns we can use if needed but again, magicka.

For passives we have 6/12 useful passives, 7 if we slot bound armor..

5% stam cost reduction, after blocking an attack the next ability costs 15% less, 15% ultimate cost reduction, 20% health and stam recovery IF we slot bound armor, 5% damage buff, 10% to 1% damage buff (depending on the players health), and 2% weapon damage for each sorc skill slotted (which usually isnt many).

Now for stamina necromancer, but the whole necro class is just strong in general.

So this is simple, everything is useful. The stamina necromancer has 15/15 useful skills and 3/3 ults. ALL of the skills are useful for mag or stam. REALLY? Maybe 14 if you dont count boneyard but i think it gives fracture, but im not 100% sure. Regardless, thats insane. You have 1 class with so little and now another class with everything.

For passives, yet again, every single one is useful to both stam and mag necro. 12/12 passives. This was a class made to have so many options for soooo many different play styles. Thats all I want with stam sorc, give us more options. Give us fracture, maybe another damage skill, and maybe a couple more passives.

Necromancer is coming with multiple stamina/magicka class damage skills and ultimates (pretty cool ones too). Major vulnerability, fracture, breach, major defile, multiple aoe damage skills, multiple healing skills, multiple resource return skills and passives, cost reduction passives, weapon and spell crit buff, penetration buff passive, buffed damage over time passive, healing absorption (wtf?), resistance buffs, major protection, ultimate regen, a skill that passively pulls enemies to you, minor protection, minor vulnerability, empower, stuns, immobilizations, snares, healing passiv, damage reduction passive, max health passive, extra resistance buff, multiple ways to PURGE, and im done im not even going to list the rest.

This class has abilites that synergise with each other. The summons, the skills that spawn corpses for various reasons. It has a god damn identity. Stam sorc does not. Other classes have lost big parts of their identity. And now we have the necro. Come on zos. It looks amazing, and ill certainly be playing it, but other classes need attention, stam sorc needs an identity. Im not sure how this isn't blatant. Maybe there are plans to give us more in elsweyr, but i just dont see it. Either way, we 100% need it because the difference between these two classes is an absolute joke. GG.

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therift

Stam sorc is not a class. It's a build option. Sorcerors are geared towards magic because that is the game and literary archetype.

Stam sorc is a niche variation.

NinchiTV

BEEN saying we need stam morphs.

therift

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

BEEN saying we need stam morphs.

*shrugs* We have Warden and now Necromancer for stamina builds that play like mages.

Lord_Sando

It's really a simple request, give stam sorc a stam morph of curse,frag, and overload. (that scales off of max stam and weapon damage.) If we have to live without buffs i can just deal with that but so class skills are needed on this class since implosion is gone and 3rd bar over load is gone.



BY THE WAY THE OVERLOAD CHANGE WAS UNCALLED FOR.


RIP THIRD BAR

IlCanis_LupuslI

The few passives stamsorc have are really good thou. Don make it another slot this for that passive class please!

TimeDazzler

Clickbait title.

Kadoin

I rather ZOS really bring back hybrids...Nothing can stop stam sorc from being boring, or stam anything. At least for me...

eso_lags

IlCanis_LupuslI wrote: »

The few passives stamsorc have are really good thou. Don make it another slot this for that passive class please!

For sure. The few things we have are good.. Dark deal is very good, crit surge is good, some of our passives. The problem is compared to every class, and especially compared to wardens/nightblades/and now necromancers, we have so little to work with.

Those classes give you so many options to do so many different things. Different play styles or different builds. We need options and we need an identity. But ya, the "slot this for that" is annoying. We need more. A curse morph that offers fracture, a stam frag. But zos probably doesn't want to step on mag sorcs toes. Its just crazy to compare necro to stam sorc, its mind blowing to me. I just cant imagine how someone could compare those two classes and think "balance".. Its unhealthy. At the very least they should give it fracture or minor berserk, at the very least.

ccfeeling

Both paid classes are pretty strong

eso_lags

ccfeeling wrote: »

Both paid classes are pretty strong

Weird how that happens.. Warden might not be the top class for everything but it certainly has many more options than some other classes, is very good at anything in the game, and is best for one thing which is small to large scale zerg busting.

Karmanorway

eso_lags wrote: »

Im curious why the necromancer class is going to be released while stam sorc is the way it is. This class is getting is getting so much. So many buffs, so many debuffs, so many unique skills, stamina morphs, etc. I dont even know where to start. What the ***?

I actually think the class looks awesome but other classes are so gimped. I use stam sorc as an example because its probably the most gimped class in terms of skills and passives but other classes pale in comparison, to what the necromancer is looking to be, as well. It was the same thing with the warden, it has an identity. Stam sorc does not, not at all. So I would just like to ask zos, how are you going to put this new class out and leave stam sorc as is? Really? Or are we actually getting some real buffs in elsweyr, because its actually a joke at this point.

Im going to spell it out here and compare the two classes. This is mainly from a pvp damage perspective.

For skills stam sorc has 4/15 useful skills, 6 if you count the magicka stuns. 0/3 useful ultimates..

1 class damage skill in the form of an AOE DOT and self resistance buff that all classes get, a very good sustain/healing skill in dark deal, a passive stam buff with bound armor, and a brutality buff/heal with crit surge. 4 stam skills, 2 of which cost mag and 1 that is a passive skill on your skill bar. We also have 2 magicka stuns we can use if needed but again, magicka.

For passives we have 6/12 useful passives, 7 if we slot bound armor..

5% stam cost reduction, after blocking an attack the next ability costs 15% less, 15% ultimate cost reduction, 20% health and stam recovery IF we slot bound armor, 5% damage buff, 10% to 1% damage buff (depending on the players health), and 2% weapon damage for each sorc skill slotted (which usually isnt many).

Now for stamina necromancer, but the whole necro class is just strong in general.

So this is simple, everything is useful. The stamina necromancer has 15/15 useful skills and 3/3 ults. ALL of the skills are useful for mag or stam. REALLY? Maybe 14 if you dont count boneyard but i think it gives fracture, but im not 100% sure. Regardless, thats insane. You have 1 class with so little and now another class with everything.

For passives, yet again, every single one is useful to both stam and mag necro. 12/12 passives. This was a class made to have so many options for soooo many different play styles. Thats all I want with stam sorc, give us more options. Give us fracture, maybe another damage skill, and maybe a couple more passives.

Necromancer is coming with multiple stamina/magicka class damage skills and ultimates (pretty cool ones too). Major vulnerability, fracture, breach, major defile, multiple aoe damage skills, multiple healing skills, multiple resource return skills and passives, cost reduction passives, weapon and spell crit buff, penetration buff passive, buffed damage over time passive, healing absorption (wtf?), resistance buffs, major protection, ultimate regen, a skill that passively pulls enemies to you, minor protection, minor vulnerability, empower, stuns, immobilizations, snares, healing passiv, damage reduction passive, max health passive, extra resistance buff, multiple ways to PURGE, and im done im not even going to list the rest.

This class has abilites that synergise with each other. The summons, the skills that spawn corpses for various reasons. It has a god damn identity. Stam sorc does not. Other classes have lost big parts of their identity. And now we have the necro. Come on zos. It looks amazing, and ill certainly be playing it, but other classes need attention, stam sorc needs an identity. Im not sure how this isn't blatant. Maybe there are plans to give us more in elsweyr, but i just dont see it. Either way, we 100% need it because the difference between these two classes is an absolute joke. GG.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_RobGarrett @ZOS_Gilliam

As a main sorc myself i agree we need better Access to Our skills as stam , but we should wait and see how necro turns out, nothing is written in stone yet

Tommy_The_Gun

Wanna be NB sap tank ? You have to BUY necromancer...

Alucardo

They should just rename stamsorc to "Weapon Skill Tree"

TrinityBreaker

Can I get some more stam options too?
-Stam DK

Silver_Strider

Unless ZOS does a near complete rework of all classes, which I'm not holding my breath on happening, Elsweyr will be a joke of a balance patch.

It's just par for the course with ZOS.

Emmagoldman

If 3rd bar was back id be cool

Kuramas9tails

Cries wrote: »

Clickbait title.

I was expecting a full, well written documentation of all the classes and their buffs/skills/passives compared side by side on what is live right now.

I was highly disappointed.

Itzmichi

Apples and oranges again.