Are people really trying to nerf something that hasnt even come out yet?!

BeefyMrTips

Dear ESO community,

What are you thinking complaining about an OP necro in PvP before it even drops. Stop it, get some help..

But but Beefy... we saw it in the thing and the site and the test...!!

Shutup! Lol it’s not out yet, calm yourself, you’re being ridiculous

susmitds

I don't need to shot by a Magnum bullet to know that high chance I will die.

The fact that Orc would be OP af was obvious before testing and testing that cemented that fact. But now it is too late to change that fact.

DoonerSeraph

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

Dear ESO community,

What are you thinking complaining about an OP necro in PvP before it even drops. Stop it, get some help..

But but Beefy... we saw it in the thing and the site and the test...!!

Shutup! Lol it’s not out yet, calm yourself, you’re being ridiculous

"Shut up! It's not even out!

Shut up! It's only 1st/2nd PTS week, they are fixing bugs!

Shut up! It'a only 3rd week of the PTS, they usually change things on the 4th!

Shut up! They may still make changes when it goes live!

Shu... Is it live now? With no changes? But how???!!!"

Not that I agree with nerfing Necro, but feedback to ZOS is only for the memes and trash bin.

Kulvar

There's a passive giving 300 Magicka and Stamina Recovery.
Non class skills cost will not magically increase for Necromancers.
So it's obvious that they'll have a huge Stamina sustain.

Raammzzaa

The new Necro class looks OP as all get out, and I can’t wait to play it! I just wish they would buff the original classes at the same time rather than go with another cycle of nerfs (wings, grim, snipe, etc.).

Chufu

susmitds wrote: »

I don't need to shot by a Magnum bullet to know that high chance I will die.

The fact that Orc would be OP af was obvious before testing and testing that cemented that fact. But now it is too late to change that fact.

Forget it, Orc doesn't need a nerf. No, no!!

Finally after more than 4 years we got love, we want to keep this. *clan agrees*

Kulvar

Raammzzaa wrote: »

The new Necro class looks OP as all get out, and I can’t wait to play it! I just wish they would buff the original classes at the same time rather than go with another cycle of nerfs (wings, grim, snipe, etc.).

And turn some DK/Templar morphs into stamina ones.

IzzyStardust

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

Dear ESO community,

What are you thinking complaining about an OP necro in PvP before it even drops. Stop it, get some help..

But but Beefy... we saw it in the thing and the site and the test...!!

Shutup! Lol it’s not out yet, calm yourself, you’re being ridiculous

Hi! This is the forum. The forum, this is @BeefyMrTips - have y’all met?

xaraan

well, I do think it would be better to see things on the PTS, but in the end... yes. That is why they ask for feedback before things go live.

edit: also, it's pretty easy in some instances to crunch numbers or read descriptions and see problems before they rear their head. Not saying every complaint is right, but ZoS fails to see some pretty obvious problems with balance sometimes.

Spartabunny08

P2W class just like the warden except worse. They're actually giving this class buffs that they've been nerfing on other classes amd armor sets. Your really gonna say that? Interesting. This is ridiculous.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I mean, it happened this time last year with Warden. Haha

likecats

susmitds wrote: »

I don't need to shot by a Magnum bullet to know that high chance I will die.

The fact that Orc would be OP af was obvious before testing and testing that cemented that fact. But now it is too late to change that fact.

Orc is OP by 500 stamina. Reduce it by that much, it will be perfectly balanced.

Hardly OP af.

ruikkarikun

Strop nerf train.

Tasear

😓🤔 if only bosmers used this line too.

There's are real concerns but let's definitely not have a repeat of warden.

Demra

I think ppl would have been calmer if the devs would fix bugs, patch out things and balance skill quickly, often and regularly. But because it happens mostly 2-3 times a year a little bit; folks feel they need to predict results ahead of release or they will have to deal with the consequence for a long period of time.

Pulque

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

Dear ESO community,

What are you thinking complaining about an OP necro in PvP before it even drops. Stop it, get some help..

But but Beefy... we saw it in the thing and the site and the test...!!

Shutup! Lol it’s not out yet, calm yourself, you’re being ridiculous

Remember ridiculous double-dw enchantment meta? how many people had been talking about that sh*t in pts? Did class representative not inform zos of that? Did it come to live? How long did it last until fix?

There is a difference between nerfing poor nightblade tank to oblivion and fixing broken necro. But zos will make necro OP in some aspects to promote selling.

ecru

Expunge is broken. Removing three negative effects with no cost while also getting resources back for doing so has absolutely no place in pvp. Add up the amount of damage that can be mitigated with this ability--such as removing the dot from claw, breath, and major fracture of a stamdk--and tell me that it's fair to be able to do this at no cost while also getting resources back from the same ability. With this specific example, you're removing a major penetration debuff and mitigating probably 15-20k incoming damage while getting back resources.

The fact that this ability might make it to the PTS in that state is just completely bizarre to me. Are the class developers that out of touch?

ezio45

its not out yet. Im just giving my feedback about what seems a bit extreme or underwhelming.

I have said things about necro are op, particularly the Goliath.

I have also said multiple things about necro I feel are weak or not practical.

So when it does come to pts we can actually get a solid version of it that requires minor tweaks, instead of 800 people focusing on the fact that Goliath is the most broken skill to be added to this game we can do actual playing around with skills and seeing what needs adjustment. Instead of those 800 players just focusing on the obvious that this is insane

Crixus8000

The necro spammable looks broken for pvp, an aoe, high dmg spammable attack that heals huge amounts and negates 2k healing each time ?

Stx

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

Dear ESO community,

What are you thinking complaining about an OP necro in PvP before it even drops. Stop it, get some help..

But but Beefy... we saw it in the thing and the site and the test...!!

Shutup! Lol it’s not out yet, calm yourself, you’re being ridiculous

You're right. Players shouldn't provide feedback during the TESTING phase... Should just wait until things go live to fix them.

That makes sense.

Ysbriel

Yes people are really doing that, the Necromancer class might be new but Nerfmancers are a class of old.

Savos_Saren

ecru wrote: »

Expunge is broken. Removing three negative effects with no cost while also getting resources back for doing so has absolutely no place in pvp. Add up the amount of damage that can be mitigated with this ability--such as removing the dot from claw, breath, and major fracture of a stamdk--and tell me that it's fair to be able to do this at no cost while also getting resources back from the same ability. With this specific example, you're removing a major penetration debuff and mitigating probably 15-20k incoming damage while getting back resources.

The fact that this ability might make it to the PTS in that state is just completely bizarre to me. Are the class developers that out of touch?

@ecru

Expunge costs 2k health to use. From what I understand- the tooltip screenshots aren't up to date. The people that actually played the game during the preview said it was 2k health cost. Careful about expunging too much!

Ozazz

honestly is needs to be op! for the games sake

dazee

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

Dear ESO community,

What are you thinking complaining about an OP necro in PvP before it even drops. Stop it, get some help..

But but Beefy... we saw it in the thing and the site and the test...!!

Shutup! Lol it’s not out yet, calm yourself, you’re being ridiculous

People love calling for nerfs especially ones who have decided they'll never use the class they want nerfed, so they just see it as killing the competition.

Iskiab

Stx wrote: »

BeefyMrTips wrote: »

Dear ESO community,

What are you thinking complaining about an OP necro in PvP before it even drops. Stop it, get some help..

But but Beefy... we saw it in the thing and the site and the test...!!

Shutup! Lol it’s not out yet, calm yourself, you’re being ridiculous

You're right. Players shouldn't provide feedback during the TESTING phase... Should just wait until things go live to fix them.

That makes sense.

What have you tested?

idk

OP is not familiar with this games history.

Warden - calls for nerfs before it was released.
Templar - calls for nerf before the game was released.

Do I need to continue?

ecru

Savos_Saren wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Expunge is broken. Removing three negative effects with no cost while also getting resources back for doing so has absolutely no place in pvp. Add up the amount of damage that can be mitigated with this ability--such as removing the dot from claw, breath, and major fracture of a stamdk--and tell me that it's fair to be able to do this at no cost while also getting resources back from the same ability. With this specific example, you're removing a major penetration debuff and mitigating probably 15-20k incoming damage while getting back resources.

The fact that this ability might make it to the PTS in that state is just completely bizarre to me. Are the class developers that out of touch?

@ecru

Expunge costs 2k health to use. From what I understand- the tooltip screenshots aren't up to date. The people that actually played the game during the preview said it was 2k health cost. Careful about expunging too much!

2k health is seriously almost nothing. It might as well not even have a cost.

dazee

ecru wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Expunge is broken. Removing three negative effects with no cost while also getting resources back for doing so has absolutely no place in pvp. Add up the amount of damage that can be mitigated with this ability--such as removing the dot from claw, breath, and major fracture of a stamdk--and tell me that it's fair to be able to do this at no cost while also getting resources back from the same ability. With this specific example, you're removing a major penetration debuff and mitigating probably 15-20k incoming damage while getting back resources.

The fact that this ability might make it to the PTS in that state is just completely bizarre to me. Are the class developers that out of touch?

@ecru

Expunge costs 2k health to use. From what I understand- the tooltip screenshots aren't up to date. The people that actually played the game during the preview said it was 2k health cost. Careful about expunging too much!

2k health is seriously almost nothing. It might as well not even have a cost.

you've seen all the people who think its ok to run around with less than 15k health right? and thats WITH HP food.

Morgul667

I gotta agree with OP the drama is too much for something month away from release

Iskiab

dazee wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Expunge is broken. Removing three negative effects with no cost while also getting resources back for doing so has absolutely no place in pvp. Add up the amount of damage that can be mitigated with this ability--such as removing the dot from claw, breath, and major fracture of a stamdk--and tell me that it's fair to be able to do this at no cost while also getting resources back from the same ability. With this specific example, you're removing a major penetration debuff and mitigating probably 15-20k incoming damage while getting back resources.

The fact that this ability might make it to the PTS in that state is just completely bizarre to me. Are the class developers that out of touch?

@ecru

Expunge costs 2k health to use. From what I understand- the tooltip screenshots aren't up to date. The people that actually played the game during the preview said it was 2k health cost. Careful about expunging too much!

2k health is seriously almost nothing. It might as well not even have a cost.

you've seen all the people who think its ok to run around with less than 15k health right? and thats WITH HP food.

What! That’s an amazing pvp strategy if you ask me. I wish more people would use it... on other teams. All you need is damage, self healing is for wussies who like fights longer than 2 seconds.

lucky_Sage

They did the same thing with the warden