Alliance Lock is coming

xan4silkb14_ESO

According to previews of Elsweyr, alliance lock is coming to Kyne, Sotha, and Vivec. Shor will remain the same without an alliance lock. I.e. you can't home 2 different alliance factioned characters to the same campaign and if one character drops it to allow a different faction access, that character will lose all AP earned and not earn end of campaign rewards.

Additionally you will not have to set a guest campaign but can visit the others as if it were a guest campaign.

Other news - Emperor will only be able to be earned once per campaign per account
Super weapon will spawn randomly, not near keeps but generally closer to the losing alliance side when it does spawn.
Current Emp will not be allowed to pick up super weapon.
Will drop when you die, and despawn if not picked up within 30 minutes.

Jaxaxo

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

According to previews of Elsweyr, alliance lock is coming to Kyne, Sotha, and Vivec. Shor will remain the same without an alliance lock. I.e. you can't home 2 different alliance factioned characters to the same campaign and if one character drops it to allow a different faction access, that character will lose all AP earned and not earn end of campaign rewards.

Additionally you will not have to set a guest campaign but can visit the others as if it were a guest campaign.

Other news - Emperor will only be able to be earned once per campaign per account
Super weapon will spawn randomly, not near keeps but generally closer to the losing alliance side when it does spawn.
Current Emp will not be allowed to pick up super weapon.
Will drop when you die, and despawn if not picked up within 30 minutes.

but i guess u can home on 1 char and guest it on other char without any problems?

Leeched

Good thing I started doing more PvE recently. PvP will die with that system. In the end all Campaigns will be dominated by a single faction. It will be even worse than now.

xan4silkb14_ESO

Jaxaxo wrote: »

but i guess u can home on 1 char and guest it on other char without any problems?

I guess so. It wasn't mentioned whether the alliance lock would be in effect for the "guest" campaign of characters or not.

I suppose another question I have is, if you lose all AP earned when you "drop" your home campaign, what happens to the under 50 who level out of the campaign? They are in essence dropped from the campaign. Has ZoS ensured that these characters don't lose their AP earned when they get kicked from the Under 50 campaign?

Qbiken

Leeched wrote: »

Good thing I started doing more PvE recently. PvP will die with that system. In the end all Campaigns will be dominated by a single faction. It will be even worse than now.

Yep, it sounds horrible.

DirkRavenclaw

Awesome, finally, the one thing that stops me from investing more Time with my PVP Guild is that so many people swap Alliances during Campaign. Finally, ZOS is listening and i know of a great many People that will come back into PVP on Day 1 that goes life. Good Bye AP Farmers, Hello competative Gameplay, Thank you ZOS.

Turelus

Leeched wrote: »

Good thing I started doing more PvE recently. PvP will die with that system. In the end all Campaigns will be dominated by a single faction. It will be even worse than now.

From my understanding faction lock will be a new campaign, not locks on all of them.

They specifically stated to me in a conversation they want to have Cyrodiil remain open to anyone playing with any of their friends regardless of factions, so from that I would extrapolate there will always be unlocked campaigns.

MalagenR

This sounds like the correct way to turn Cyro into an organized massive PVP zone that requires you to be in a PVP guild and actually group up with players in your faction if you want to accomplish faction wide goals like Emperorship and winning the campaign.

This takes the power away from the super dominant PVP guilds that are able to organize their players across all factions into one alliance and then take it to the top immediately. Hopefully this causes those large guilds to break up making PVP guilds more accessible and well known to casual players.

I don't think PVP will die. There just aren't games that are fantasy based MMO's that have better PVP available right now.

Zevrro

What exactly is this solving? I see a lot of people asking for it but I'm not sure what the goal is.

xan4silkb14_ESO

Leeched wrote: »

Good thing I started doing more PvE recently. PvP will die with that system. In the end all Campaigns will be dominated by a single faction. It will be even worse than now.

So, if different alliance characters are allowed as "guests" despite the lock, the only thing you are losing out on is the end of campaign rewards for that particular campaign on that particular character. As far as I can tell, you'd still be able to visit a campaign with your AD/EP character even if you homed a DC character on that campaign or whatever combination you have. So how is that really different for serial faction hoppers? Are they really in it for the "superior" end of campaign rewards?

Also, how is ZoS going to actually make sure you lose the AP earned? Theoretically you could spend all your AP and then drop the campaign.

ATomiX96

Jaxaxo wrote: »

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

According to previews of Elsweyr, alliance lock is coming to Kyne, Sotha, and Vivec. Shor will remain the same without an alliance lock. I.e. you can't home 2 different alliance factioned characters to the same campaign and if one character drops it to allow a different faction access, that character will lose all AP earned and not earn end of campaign rewards.

Additionally you will not have to set a guest campaign but can visit the others as if it were a guest campaign.

Other news - Emperor will only be able to be earned once per campaign per account
Super weapon will spawn randomly, not near keeps but generally closer to the losing alliance side when it does spawn.
Current Emp will not be allowed to pick up super weapon.
Will drop when you die, and despawn if not picked up within 30 minutes.

but i guess u can home on 1 char and guest it on other char without any problems?

I think it said somewhere you cant join campaigns as guest anymore.



Source: https://www.eso-library.com/core/index.php?chapter-elsweyr-en/

jaws343

So in other words, PVP will turn into 3 locked campaigns that are faction capped by each faction respectively. A Blue campaign, a Yellow campaign, and a Red campaign. You know, how the PVP events end up so that players can face the least resistance possible to "win" the campaign.

xan4silkb14_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

Leeched wrote: »

Good thing I started doing more PvE recently. PvP will die with that system. In the end all Campaigns will be dominated by a single faction. It will be even worse than now.

From my understanding faction lock will be a new campaign, not locks on all of them.

They specifically stated to me in a conversation they want to have Cyrodiil remain open to anyone playing with any of their friends regardless of factions, so from that I would extrapolate there will always be unlocked campaigns.

Ok, I assumed Kyne, Sotha and Vivec since they seem to indicate that we don't have enough population normally, midyear mayhem notwithstanding, to have more campaigns.

Even if it affects the current campaigns, the only difference in a "guest" campaign and a "home" campaign is you don't earn the end of campaign rewards in the "guest" campaign. As noted already, there wasn't a mention of limiting guest campaigns with a faction lock. In fact they were doing away with that distinction of guest campaigns entirely and you should be able to more easily visit all campaigns as long as your visit isn't prohibited by a faction lock.

xan4silkb14_ESO

ATomiX96 wrote: »

Jaxaxo wrote: »

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

According to previews of Elsweyr, alliance lock is coming to Kyne, Sotha, and Vivec. Shor will remain the same without an alliance lock. I.e. you can't home 2 different alliance factioned characters to the same campaign and if one character drops it to allow a different faction access, that character will lose all AP earned and not earn end of campaign rewards.

Additionally you will not have to set a guest campaign but can visit the others as if it were a guest campaign.

Other news - Emperor will only be able to be earned once per campaign per account
Super weapon will spawn randomly, not near keeps but generally closer to the losing alliance side when it does spawn.
Current Emp will not be allowed to pick up super weapon.
Will drop when you die, and despawn if not picked up within 30 minutes.

but i guess u can home on 1 char and guest it on other char without any problems?

I think it said somewhere you cant join campaigns as guest anymore.



Source: https://www.eso-library.com/core/index.php?chapter-elsweyr-en/

There's a thread in the general discussion board on someone who got a preview of the changes coming and the video on Cyrodiil changes mentions that you can still visit the other campaigns, just won't have a guest campaign designation.

dtsharples

It seems more likely to be something along the lines of this idea:

Lock an EP char to Vivec - all other EP chars have access to Vivec and are also locked.
All these EP characters can visit Shor, Sotha + Kyne as guests only.

If you then lock a DC char to Sotha - Sotha will become unavailable to your EP chars. But all DC chars will have access.
Your EP chars will still have access to Shor + Kyne as guests.

Seems like Shor will remain the campaign for faction hopping. Not sure how that will affect rewards etc, if at all.

Guess it's all speculation until ZOS release something official.

TriangularChicken

jaws343 wrote: »

So in other words, PVP will turn into 3 locked campaigns that are faction capped by each faction respectively. A Blue campaign, a Yellow campaign, and a Red campaign. You know, how the PVP events end up so that players can face the least resistance possible to "win" the campaign.

Exactly my thoughts. I hope they show some love to BGs, my hopes for Cyro are gone.

Thanatos_inside

I have characters all 3 alliances. I wanna play only vivec. Sooo add free change alliances ticket (5). Or leave this idea.

xan4silkb14_ESO

dtsharples wrote: »

It seems more likely to be something along the lines of this idea:

Lock an EP char to Vivec - all other EP chars have access to Vivec and are also locked.
All these EP characters can visit Shor, Sotha + Kyne as guests only.

If you then lock a DC char to Sotha - Sotha will become unavailable to your EP chars. But all DC chars will have access.
Your EP chars will still have access to Shor + Kyne as guests.

Seems like Shor will remain the campaign for faction hopping. Not sure how that will affect rewards etc, if at all.

Guess it's all speculation until ZOS release something official.

True, until ZoS releases the official word on how it works we're speculating on what it means.

But going by what was said and not inferring anything that wasn't, only home campaigns for Under 50, No-CP and 30 day campaigns are faction locked, i.e. you can't home campaign 2 different characters with different alliances in the same campaign. You won't have to designate a guest campaign but still be able to visit the other campaigns. You can home any alliance character on the 7 day standard(Shor) as it is not alliance locked, but you could potentially lock out all the other campaigns to only one faction as a home.

Most of my characters are DC. I could home one or more in Sotha, one or more in Kyne, and one or more in Vivec and my one each EP and AD would have to set their home as Shor. I still could have my EP or AD visit any of the other campaigns, they just would not be able to earn the end of campaign rewards in those as long as I have a DC character homed there.

Since it was stated you could visit the other campaigns just not have to choose a guest. It was not stated that you could only visit campaigns that weren't alliance locked one of your characters of a different faction setting it as a home campaign.

Defilted

This is a good change. Campaigns for the way people like to play now and campaigns for alliance team play. All sides win.

xan4silkb14_ESO

Thanatos_inside wrote: »

I have characters all 3 alliances. I wanna play only vivec. Sooo add free change alliances ticket (5). Or leave this idea.

My take is you currently can still only play Vivec, whether or not they create a new 30 day CP campaign to be faction locked. If they don't create a new one, you could only home 1 of those characters in vivec and earn the end of campaign rewards from one faction.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

According to previews of Elsweyr, alliance lock is coming to Kyne, Sotha, and Vivec. Shor will remain the same without an alliance lock. I.e. you can't home 2 different alliance factioned characters to the same campaign and if one character drops it to allow a different faction access, that character will lose all AP earned and not earn end of campaign rewards.

Additionally you will not have to set a guest campaign but can visit the others as if it were a guest campaign.

Other news - Emperor will only be able to be earned once per campaign per account
Super weapon will spawn randomly, not near keeps but generally closer to the losing alliance side when it does spawn.
Current Emp will not be allowed to pick up super weapon.
Will drop when you die, and despawn if not picked up within 30 minutes.

This is all FANTASTIC news!!!!!!! Finally, ZOS listened to the players!

frostz417

Once again clueless role play zerglings are catered to yet again. They thought 1 faction dominating is an issue now. Just wait lmfao.
Doesn’t matter, I couldn’t care less about faction pride of any of that absurd role play nonsense. I play to gain AP and get kills, so this faction lock will just be a bummer for players like me

frostz417

MalagenR wrote: »

This sounds like the correct way to turn Cyro into an organized massive PVP zone that requires you to be in a PVP guild and actually group up with players in your faction if you want to accomplish faction wide goals like Emperorship and winning the campaign.

This takes the power away from the super dominant PVP guilds that are able to organize their players across all factions into one alliance and then take it to the top immediately. Hopefully this causes those large guilds to break up making PVP guilds more accessible and well known to casual players.

I don't think PVP will die. There just aren't games that are fantasy based MMO's that have better PVP available right now.

A lot of people couldn’t care less about such things as winning for the faction. We just want AP and to kill things. Therefore faction lock is lame

xan4silkb14_ESO

frostz417 wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

This sounds like the correct way to turn Cyro into an organized massive PVP zone that requires you to be in a PVP guild and actually group up with players in your faction if you want to accomplish faction wide goals like Emperorship and winning the campaign.

This takes the power away from the super dominant PVP guilds that are able to organize their players across all factions into one alliance and then take it to the top immediately. Hopefully this causes those large guilds to break up making PVP guilds more accessible and well known to casual players.

I don't think PVP will die. There just aren't games that are fantasy based MMO's that have better PVP available right now.

A lot of people couldn’t care less about such things as winning for the faction. We just want AP and to kill things. Therefore faction lock is lame

If you really don't care about winning for the faction the only thing you are losing is end of campaign rewards for 2 out of 3 factions if they all play in the same campaign that isn't Shor. You still get AP and the kill things.

Mintaka5

frostz417

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

MalagenR wrote: »

This sounds like the correct way to turn Cyro into an organized massive PVP zone that requires you to be in a PVP guild and actually group up with players in your faction if you want to accomplish faction wide goals like Emperorship and winning the campaign.

This takes the power away from the super dominant PVP guilds that are able to organize their players across all factions into one alliance and then take it to the top immediately. Hopefully this causes those large guilds to break up making PVP guilds more accessible and well known to casual players.

I don't think PVP will die. There just aren't games that are fantasy based MMO's that have better PVP available right now.

A lot of people couldn’t care less about such things as winning for the faction. We just want AP and to kill things. Therefore faction lock is lame

If you really don't care about winning for the faction the only thing you are losing is end of campaign rewards for 2 out of 3 factions if they all play in the same campaign that isn't Shor. You still get AP and the kill things.

The rewards acquired for winning campaigns are so minuscule in comparison to just acquiring tier 3 it’s almost a joke to even care about it 😂😂

I also prefer to join the losing faction since the winning faction has a bunch of zerglings which are easily farmable, and less issue of people in my same faction jumping in and ruining good farms

Gilvoth

that's not Good Enough.
people can still faction hop and cause the same problems they do right now.
the only difference this is going to make, is its going to make cheaters not get AP and end campaign rewards.

Zevrro

Gilvoth wrote: »

that's not Good Enough.
people can still faction hop and cause the same problems they do right now.
the only difference this is going to make, is its going to make cheaters not get AP and end campaign rewards.

What problems exactly? Most people faction hop because they want to play on a less populated alliance. If anything that's a positive for campaign balance.

ccmedaddy

RIP my monthly transmute gems

xan4silkb14_ESO

ccmedaddy wrote: »

RIP my monthly transmute gems

You can still get the monthly transmute gems on 2 factions unless they create new campaigns. You just have to slum on Vivec/Sotha(whichever you don't play) to get enough AP for your tier 3 rewards.

josh.lackey_ESO

Horrible change.

They should go the other way. You should be able to queue in as any faction, regardless what you picked when you made your character. Faction loyalty is toxic, and only breeds animosity and bad sportsmanship.