Dedicated Server For ESO+ Subscribers

Apox

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Absolutely not. The amount theyd have to pay for a special server just to keep ESO+ from getting a server disconnect once every 4 or 5 hours would take a hugr amount of money away from development for basically nothing.

development doesnt mean *** if you cant actively play and enjoy the game, which is awfully hard to do with frequent disconnects, bugs, glitces, and generally high ping around the board when compared to other games. i get 30ms ping in other games, i cant even play a mele character in pvp in eso because the server desync makes it impossible to reliably land my attacks.

honestly, i was in a bg yesterday, i charged someone with crit rush, travelled the entire distance, dealt damage to their character, and was met with a piercing javelin that knocked my character back to its original location from before using crit rush. this is some vanilla wow crap. literally, the wow devs are deliberately deigning wow classic pvp to have this behavior t ogive it a more authentic 2005 feel.

screw development, make the game playable

Verbal_Earthworm

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Turelus wrote: »

Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I think you have a misguided idea on just what contributes to server lag.

Fair enough, so what does contribute to server lag then?

Guide me, oh wise one.

Something happens on the client, client sends all info about what happened to sever, server has to find out what outcome to choose, server needs to have all variables, calculate all variables, send back answer.

Now think of all the information that has to be sent to resolve that, now times it by the number of people in an active area doing the same.

Even if you segregated the ESO+ and Non-ESO+ players you would still get enough people on both servers to cause issues.

So. Too many players is the problem?

Correct. This is exactly the problem on PC-EU right now.

We are being placed in a login queue.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/467833/server-login-queue-turned-on-for-pc-eu-april-10/p1

Jhalin

Every player deserves a functional game. You’re asking for them to ignore the rest of playerbase having performance issues.

This game is B2P and they make a hefty profit off their digital goods (no post-production costs, easy reskining, overpriced cosmetics, intentionally misleading descriptions and lackthereof regarding account v server v character-wide purchases, gambling crates)

They are not low on cash, they can afford to fix their game. They’re simply not willing to hire the team needed to do so, because it cuts into their bottom line.

And as we’ve seen, too many players are content to be taken advantage of for ZOS to ever consider changing those methods. We have people praising the decision to let someone buy their way out of gameplay to get in-game power. Too many say “just deal with the bugs” and have given up trying to make anything better.

Occasional issues are one thing, but every patch breaking and degrading performance even more is not the fault of the players. It’s the company, their greed, and their incompetence.

shaielzafine

No. Lol. If you think adding eso+ exclusive servers will be the answer to all the performance problems, ping spikes, skill lag, large amount of bugs in this game, then you're wrong. I think you will also find that a lot of people who play this game subscribe as well, so it might actually be less laggy if there was a non- ESO+ server. I bet that the contents of the crafting bag and inventory and all kinds of information per account matters when you load in to a server. (Why else would they ask us to minimize inventory during that one patch recently?)

Also, ZOS already decided on their money making model. Why should they change it now? Are we going to have ESO extra plus ++ next with an extra tier of payment for better servers? Currently the payment model for ESO is:

1. Buy the game to play (B2P)
2. Buy the expansions
3. Buy DLCs 3x a year to play and / or the option to do ESO+ subscription
4. Micro & Macrotransactions in the Crown Store (everything from small XP scrolls to hundreds of dollars per cosmetic item like houses)
5. Crown Crate Gambling / Lootboxes - all RNG cosmetic items

With their constantly updated monetization model, they should be able to afford fixes to server performance and issues. Heck, I even see a giant ad every time I log in to ESO to buy buy buy more items, while the game lags and struggles to render things in populated areas like Vvardenfell & Alinor.

DenMoria

Funny, but these seem to be the same complaints I was hearing waaaaayyyyy back in the day when I joined these forums.

Obviously PvP is still awful and I'm sorry.

I'm lucky that I don't participate or I might be raisin' a ruckus too!

Come on ZoS - after all this time, there has to be some sort of solution.

Sylvermynx

Eh, just "no" from me.... and I sub two accounts, 6 months at a time....

Kali_Despoine

So what happens when I stop a sub? Do I get kicked back to the getto server?

Would be nice to host and have my friends join me on a proper moded server

the problem w/ the servers is not the hardware
it's the code and the fail state that it has been in since the original coders left early in development
if you go back to the first or 2nd podcast wrobbler talks about the issuses with the pvp code and how the code works.
Soon this game will be washed down w/ just hard number calculations and not % based.
We are seeing this with that last dlc update to Race changes.

lols

chaz

I would love to honestly contribute to this thread however sadly none of you stand out.

I don't even remember seeing half the people I did see post in the Beta forums that post here in the normal forums.

What is the requirement for eso plus sub'rs to get their own dedicate server? Oh wait, did you mean just the beta players like me? That stands out, and has the same character since morrowind and was destined to play beta in Eso to bring my creation, talent, contributions, snaz, pahzazz!, OhSchnapp in a bottle muhbaz!

Seriously I truly don't know what it would be worth to have such a small tiny group of beta players having our own server. To be honest the 70 beta players I've added as friends in beta, no longer play. Hasn't been online in years.

Zenimax only gets new players because they're good at marketing schemes and crafty little sneaks with freebees and ploys. But after that promotion ends it pretty much goes back to normal. I find it so far fetchingly outlandish that anyone here really believes the lies from closed mouths that slip through teeth about servers being taxed.

Think of the server as a normal tire.

You drive and drive and drive , season after season, yet never rotate nor change. Those tires are bound to go skin bald. Pretty much what's happening here. There really is only so much bubble gum and duct tape you can slap on to keep things running. Eventually, everything phails and needs to be replaced.

But don't take my word for it, it has always been this way since the dawn of time. Gawd knew this, why do you think people grow old and pass on, to be replaced by something else. Happens to fish. You just do see it. Happens to animals, but you just don't care. So, also happens with tech. But people are too oblivious to it. Right 8-track man! Go outside and look for a payphone. People will look at you funny. Better yet, ask someone where the nearest payphone is while recording the conversation using your iPhone. I'll bet that'll be a winner.

Nope, I just don't think I have anything to say in this thread. I may think of something to write, until then, I'll just keep thinking out loud.

Darlon

Worst idea ever...

Kombinator

Not really.

1. I doubt, that they make enough money for a server from non-suscribers.
2. The number of players wouldn't be large enough.
3. Non-suscribers can still help in activities. If DLC bought, then even in DLC areas.

I think the best solution would have been, and could be more levels, that are only obtainable with DLC, or suscribtion. Give a serious reason to buy these, if they need extra money to maintain servers. Technically they offer a choice. Maybe new layer of difficulty for dungeons for the higher leveled.

It would be like this:

New max. level +10 for each mayor content DLC. CP turn into true levels while max spendable CP also increased for each DLC, and reverse when suscribtion ends.

New layer of dungeon available for level 80. Equipment now scales up to level 80 separated for every 10 levels.

PVP would be pretty much exclusive for those who have DLC, or suscribtion. As well as the new dungeon difficulty. But if you are only interested in story, then you could buy the DLCs as you finish the story, if still interested, or you could buy suscribtion, and play full experience until get bored.

dazee

OMG those leeches who dont have ESO plus! they NEVER buy crowns we have proof right? I mean we should ban them all!

FierceSam

Just no. This idea is utter filth.


I sub. Mainly in the clearly deluded expectation that my sub will be used to benefit and improve the performance of the game. But that’s MY choice to (insanely) support the game. No one FORCES anyone to sub.

When I meet cool players (or uncool ones) in game I don’t give a rat’s arse whether they have subbed or not. They (you) are all part of the richness of my ESO experiences.

This segregationist tendency is as morally bankrupt as ZOS’s P2W selling skyshards gambit. ZOS would be delighted with you, you truly are their 5th column.

All players are equal.

Metafae

2016 - One Tamriel releases, everyone rejoices as we can now all play together.

2019 - People be screaming to segregate the rich from the poor.

GG

Gilora

No.

Subscriber here.

Aixy

No !

Tommy_The_Gun

Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »

ESO+ players should get their own server to play on, they are paying for it already.

Good luck with that. You will be lucky to find people to help you to do a World Boss in Deshaan, let alone form a group to do trials. The thing is, it may seem that way on forums because of ESO+ "fanboys" (I bought it, therefore it is the best thing in the world etc.) But the reality is forum users are the minority of ESO players. Maybe like 10 - 30 % at best.

Besides, what if some one is not using ESO+ but buys DLCs, chapters and occasionally some other stuff from crown store ? They support the game too. I would assume even more so than ESO + simply because there are more players like that.

Alucardo

As an ESO+ subscriber who can barely play this game because of crap performance would I like this? Of course. But the amount of animosity it would provide wouldn't be worth it, not to mention the backlash ZOS would most likely get for adding such a feature in the first place.

JamilaRaj

DenMoria wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

One of the worst ideas ever, to be brutally honest. It would be awful to separate players in this way, and it wouldn't work. It would just lead to even more complaining every time the players on the special server started lagging - which could be for any number of reasons but probably not directly related to the actual server itself. The player's end, the server hardware, the network between the player and the servers and the server/game code would all be the same regardless of such a measure.

But why on Nirn would you want to mingle with the unwashed (or in this case unpaid) masses?

We are simply better than the "cheap". It's a fact!

Because if you played on some VIP server only with other whales who buy everything, your purchases would have much less value. For example, if you bought a new costume to show off, your prestige would not increase, because everyone would have it too; you would have to pay just to make it not decrease, the costume would be obligatory uniform. Or if you bought a new expansion with a new OP class, you could not dominate the lesser people in PvP with it, because every other whale would have it too; again, you would have pay for no real advantage over anyone.
Therefore either smart whales would move over to "free" servers, if it was possible, or, if it was not possible, P2W business model would be in serious trouble. See, P2W is basically corruption and people happily participate in corruption as long as they get preferential treatment in exchange for bribes, and do not mind that people doing them favours are enriching themselves. But if everyone around gets preferential treatment, it stops feel like it and instead feels like paying for nothing.

Eldartar

No, Just No, talk about Elitist ideas!!

Il3rotherhood

Don't feel entitled because you decided to lay down hundeds of dollars in something completely optional to play the game lol