DK is corny af rn

a1i3nz

Whoa coming back after a while and PVP blows. I could count half of any Zerg and DK spamming wings and mist form.

I can watch one guy tanking 20 other players only using those two moves.

Is this just another rotation where you guys make one class OP for a while and then nerf it or nah?

Kartalin

Unless the DK was also killing a bunch of the players they attracted then it’s no big deal, just a troll tank. If the DKs friends were killing all the players then the joke’s on them for falling into that trap.

Vapirko

Mag DKs are not OP in any sense. What is even the point of this thread. Maybe spend a few weeks back in PvP at least before you start adding to the “god mode” threads.

NirnStorm

A good magdk can outlive a group of enemy players and kill them all one by one.

You know who else can do that? A good player playing ANY class.

Magdk are the weakest class in the game in regards to both class regen and handling the bleed/obliv damage meta. Wings is the only skill that keeps them somewhat playable, and still they are way less powerful than most other classes.

Iskiab

NirnStorm wrote: »

A good magdk can outlive a group of enemy players and kill them all one by one.

You know who else can do that? A good player playing ANY class.

Magdk are the weakest class in the game in regards to both class regen and handling the bleed/obliv damage meta. Wings is the only skill that keeps them somewhat playable, and still they are way less powerful than most other classes.

They are? Sounds to me more like MagDKs don’t want to slot back bar resto and stick to sword and board. At what point is it the player and not the class?

NyassaV

Vapirko wrote: »

Mag DKs are not OP in any sense. What is even the point of this thread. Maybe spend a few weeks back in PvP at least before you start adding to the “god mode” threads.

lol

not god mode but lol

DK has always been a bit OP in some cases

Betty_Booms

NirnStorm wrote: »

A good magdk can outlive a group of enemy players and kill them all one by one.

You know who else can do that? A good player playing ANY class.

Magdk are the weakest class in the game in regards to both class regen and handling the bleed/obliv damage meta. Wings is the only skill that keeps them somewhat playable, and still they are way less powerful than most other classes.

Thanks for the laugh. Strongest CC in the game. Reflective scales. Health return on power whip and embers....OP cheap ultimate.....

Bahahahaha..your funny.

WillhelmBlack

Is it nerf MagDK day?

LordTareq

a1i3nz wrote: »

Whoa coming back after a while and PVP blows. I could count half of any Zerg and DK spamming wings and mist form.

I can watch one guy tanking 20 other players only using those two moves.

Is this just another rotation where you guys make one class OP for a while and then nerf it or nah?

I like to imagine all the DK players play this as their collective themesong while terrorizing PvP

Savos_Saren

I love to see Nightblade mains respond that DKs are OP.

“WiNgS aRe OvErPoWeReD!!!” [cloaks away]

As it was said earlier: a good player can make any build amazing. Every class (stam or mag) has some aspect about it that is annoyingly OP to a different class. It’s supposed to be the rock/paper/scissors of balance.

Thogard

DKs offense is primarily single target, making it good at dueling but not so great in group vs group stuff

Iskiab

Thogard wrote: »

DKs offense is primarily single target, making it good at dueling but not so great in group vs group stuff

I disagree. I’ve seen DKs struggle to get killing blows in death matches because of the execute thing, but that is only part of their contribution. Half the pvp specs I see these days are dead weight unless they have a tanky type in front of them because they’re too glass canon.

If I made a BG premade dream team I’d always have a DK. It’s like pvp healing, it can be frustrating if your team goes off and does their own thing, but if you solo queue you can’t choose your team.

Sleep724

Betty_Booms wrote: »

NirnStorm wrote: »

A good magdk can outlive a group of enemy players and kill them all one by one.

You know who else can do that? A good player playing ANY class.

Magdk are the weakest class in the game in regards to both class regen and handling the bleed/obliv damage meta. Wings is the only skill that keeps them somewhat playable, and still they are way less powerful than most other classes.

Thanks for the laugh. Strongest CC in the game. Reflective scales. Health return on power whip and embers....OP cheap ultimate.....

Bahahahaha..your funny.

Yea I know their ultimate is so op. It only costs 70 ultimate, applies major defile and increases your damage against them by 20%... Oh wait.

LordTareq

Thogard wrote: »

DKs offense is primarily single target, making it good at dueling but not so great in group vs group stuff

Yes, except that they have an AOE snare, an AOE root, 2 AOE ultimates, and about 3 abilities that deal AOE damage.

NyassaV

Iskiab wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

DKs offense is primarily single target, making it good at dueling but not so great in group vs group stuff

I disagree. I’ve seen DKs struggle to get killing blows in death matches because of the execute thing, but that is only part of their contribution. Half the pvp specs I see these days are dead weight unless they have a tanky type in front of them because they’re too glass canon.

If I made a BG premade dream team I’d always have a DK. It’s like pvp healing, it can be frustrating if your team goes off and does their own thing, but if you solo queue you can’t choose your team.

Just because they don't get killing blows doesn't mean they aren't useful and fun to play.

CatchMeTrolling

Thogard wrote: »

DKs offense is primarily single target, making it good at dueling but not so great in group vs group stuff

Why aren’t they good in groups? If anything they’re top 3 group support. Debatably Top 1 or 2 for group support dps, magden is my choice, best group support all around.

Magdk has aoe damage, snares, roots, ultimates, group buff and while the cc is single target it’s still effective. Out of all classes magdk is probably the best class overall in this meta when you consider how well they do in 1v1 and group play. Because what other spec does both at the same level as magdk? Magplar?

Thogard

Iskiab wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

DKs offense is primarily single target, making it good at dueling but not so great in group vs group stuff

I disagree. I’ve seen DKs struggle to get killing blows in death matches because of the execute thing, but that is only part of their contribution. Half the pvp specs I see these days are dead weight unless they have a tanky type in front of them because they’re too glass canon.

If I made a BG premade dream team I’d always have a DK. It’s like pvp healing, it can be frustrating if your team goes off and does their own thing, but if you solo queue you can’t choose your team.

You and I aren’t playing in the same matches.

There are no high MMR Stam DKs that are effective with class abilities on PC NA. Highest would be mystikal but he uses proc sets and weapon abilities, not class dmg abilities. He’d be the first to tell you that he’s limited by his class choice.

NyassaV wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

DKs offense is primarily single target, making it good at dueling but not so great in group vs group stuff

I disagree. I’ve seen DKs struggle to get killing blows in death matches because of the execute thing, but that is only part of their contribution. Half the pvp specs I see these days are dead weight unless they have a tanky type in front of them because they’re too glass canon.

If I made a BG premade dream team I’d always have a DK. It’s like pvp healing, it can be frustrating if your team goes off and does their own thing, but if you solo queue you can’t choose your team.

Just because they don't get killing blows doesn't mean they aren't useful and fun to play.

They are fun to play and useful.. but compared to a stamden, Stam sorc, or stamplar they simply don’t bring as much to the table for the group. Individual survivability is not something that benefits a group.

a1i3nz

The point is nothing

Just saying what I see

Some of y’all been on here every day since 2014 huh

Vapirko wrote: »

Mag DKs are not OP in any sense. What is even the point of this thread. Maybe spend a few weeks back in PvP at least before you start adding to the “god mode” threads.

^looks at his profile and sees the one true forum warrior

Vapirko

NyassaV wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Mag DKs are not OP in any sense. What is even the point of this thread. Maybe spend a few weeks back in PvP at least before you start adding to the “god mode” threads.

lol

not god mode but lol

DK has always been a bit OP in some cases

Maybe we don’t play the same game but imo DKs haven’t been OP for a long time. Mag DKs are strong rn because the slow tanky meta is in. They’re good 1v1 running skoria. If they’re not running that particular proc set they’re pretty easy to deal with.

Wing

I actually feel unrelated to the anti DK bias that the topic of troll tanks is pretty legit these days.

they have always been an issue, but I feel like I have seen more of them lately, usually there is like at least one in a zerg but I was constantly running into 2-3 in small mans?

particularly templar and warden in this case as they were able to support others very easily while still remaining impossible to kill.

I was incredibly surprised as I have damn near 70% defile on my main and they were still able to heal through like it was nothing with 10 people just pummeling them (not ALL noobs)

im damn near considering jumping on that bandwagon myself

Vapirko

Wing wrote: »

I actually feel unrelated to the anti DK bias that the topic of troll tanks is pretty legit these days.

they have always been an issue, but I feel like I have seen more of them lately, usually there is like at least one in a zerg but I was constantly running into 2-3 in small mans?

particularly templar and warden in this case as they were able to support others very easily while still remaining impossible to kill.

I was incredibly surprised as I have damn near 70% defile on my main and they were still able to heal through like it was nothing with 10 people just pummeling them (not ALL noobs)

im damn near considering jumping on that bandwagon myself

This is a separate issue entirely. ZOS has failed to truly addresss the tank issue for way too long and it’s gotten so out of hand that now most players are tanks. I now fully expect that if I engage a player they may very well just stand there and ignore me knowing that I cannot kill them and they lack the damage to kill me without their group/zerg. Imo it is a problem second only to the snare issue. It’s really sad. Because of certain sets people are stacking 55k+ resists these days. They desperately need to address this without hitting medium and light builds.

Trancestor

Dks are good at shutting down ranged classes and being annoying zergling tanks, other than that they arent that great. Even in dueling i dont think they are that top tier anymore, magsorcs hit harder and are tankier and good magplars with bubble will pressure the hell out of a DK, still top 3 tho but other classes like stamsorc and stamblade come very close.

Ramzdonb16_ESO

Mag DKs are in an awful spot right now. Struggling to make things work like they used to last patch. Been sticking to my stamblade because they're op. Not on the wardens level though they are just disgusting.

Jeezye

Thogard wrote: »

DKs offense is primarily single target, making it good at dueling but not so great in group vs group stuff

I actually strongly disagree with what you are saying here. I just dusted off my magdk, threw in some random BSW + bloodthorn pieces with a lightning staff and have absolutly amazing aoe damage. WoE, inhale, leap, talons are all extremely strong and resource efficient skills. I'm not saying I'm expert at playing magdk, but I'm sure if I round up my build and sharpen my skills this build absolutly destroys in group combat, and there's a lot of passive bonuses magdk brings to the group.

Alucardo

Savos_Saren wrote: »

I love to see Nightblade mains respond that DKs are OP.

“WiNgS aRe OvErPoWeReD!!!” [cloaks away]

As it was said earlier: a good player can make any build amazing. Every class (stam or mag) has some aspect about it that is annoyingly OP to a different class. It’s supposed to be the rock/paper/scissors of balance.

I don't want mdks nerfed at all, but I had to chime in as a magblade who doesn't use cloak.
How would you feel if I could reflect your light attacks, your flame lash, and your burning embers? Because DKs can reflect my light attacks, my primary spammable and my DoT.
So say whatever you want, but fighting a dk as a magblade is a lot harder than the other way around.

frostz417

Only issue with MDK is wings completely negating certain styles with no counters to it. Most of the good DK’s who hit wings keep em up and sustain it.
Honestly they could use a sustain buff but aside from that wings needs to be done away with. Replace it with a 50% health shield and increase the duration of snare and root immunity to 4 seconds.

Noctus

Wing wrote: »

I was incredibly surprised as I have damn near 70% defile on my main and they were still able to heal through like it was nothing with 10 people just pummeling them (not ALL noobs)

im damn near considering jumping on that bandwagon myself

I HAVE BEEN PREACHING THIS.

noone believes me untill they see it with their own eyes omg that satisfaction.

its like u saw an actuall vampire or unicorn or a vampire riding a unicorn and people would call u crazy even tho u speak the truth

Datthaw

Dk is strong right now, anyone who says otherwise is lying and wants to downplay it because zos goes all nerf crazy when something performs well.

kylewwefan

I made a DK because they were supposed to be so OP. While it is fun to play, I never felt super strong. So I turned her into a PvE tank. She does very well at that role.

Iskiab

kylewwefan wrote: »

I made a DK because they were supposed to be so OP. While it is fun to play, I never felt super strong. So I turned her into a PvE tank. She does very well at that role.

Agreed, they’re strong it’s just how most play their spec. The self healing is strong enough that most feel that they don’t need a resto staff, and spec pure glass canon and crutch on wings for defense. It’s been a solid tactic for a while but with Templars being mainly channels and sorcs having some non-reflectable stuff they haven’t adapted.

Have you ever seen a magdk with a resto staff? S&B and fire is the standard. Most mag classes would die in seconds if they tried the same tactic. Right now it’s just cloak blades and magdk who can pull it off, and a cloak blades will die in 2 GCDs if they’re caught. DKs seem to complain if they can’t tank 10 people at once without a defensive set.

Alucardo

kylewwefan wrote: »

I made a DK because they were supposed to be so OP. While it is fun to play, I never felt super strong. So I turned her into a PvE tank. She does very well at that role.

They're strong, but they are hard to play effectively, so it's fine. Classes like stamblade where you have hard hitting abilities with debuffs attached to them like incap and surprise attack, AND also have the ability to disappear at will are strong and easy to play, which is generally why they are complained about and looked down on more.
Like, if I get killed by a nightblade I think nothing of it because they got carried by their class. If I get killed by a magicka dk I think "Damn, they were pretty good"