Earthgore in PVP zones

Warpig6Delta

Please, I know it's a lot to ask, but when stam toons are rocking Earth gore as a "second chance" it should be looked at. I get it, play how you want etc. I get it believe me, I've made some crazy wacko builds but when stam blades are even crutching off Earthgore. It's time to take a look at it. I know it's been nerfed, but it's become the monster set of choice for players in cyro everywhere. So I think in my humble opinion, maybe lock it out once you enter a pvp zone, until a decision from the devs can be achieved . I know plenty of PVP peeps who agree, when you start getting them second chance monster sets that cleanse and insta heal yourself and others around. Well, you don't get carried much more then that. Ever since it hit the golden I've seen every Tom, ***, and Harry put that monster set on and hit the cyrodill world. And the worst of the worst, I've seen a guy heal guards in the background on a resource keeping them up. It's basically a meme...once upon a time if you didn't get it with blood, sweat, and soul gems in Bloodroot forge, well....you didn't get it. My .02 cents

ecru

It wasn't nerfed, it was buffed, or the change was at least neutral. It's a major crutch that saves people from dying and I have had countless kills stolen from me by an Earthgore proc. Seeing someone being saved like that through no effort of their own or their teammates is extremely discouraging and a really negative experience in general. You blow your ult, nearly die to secure a kill, basically doing everything possible to get them into execute range, and they're saved (or multiple people are saved) simply because they're wearing a 2 piece set. It's absurd and something that shouldn't be possible. Heals as powerful as earthgore should be limited to expensive abilities that you have to activate on your own or ults, but in ESO they're frequent and automatic because every other person has the set on.

We really need pvp specific nerfs on item sets like Earthgore. Saving yourself or someone else from certain death should require you to actually play the game, not just be present.

Destyran

I kill people in earth gore proc a lot it just prolongs their death of I don’t. I don’t think we should nerf this pve progression set for pvp.

VaranisArano

Oh, it was nerfed. Used to be that it soaked up every ground-based effect with a single proc.

It's still a really good set, maybe still too good. But its definitely nerfed from what it was.

Solariken

I don't think they should go down the slippery slope of disabling specific item sets in PvP, but I think this set is too strong and needs adjustment.

Show me DD set that deals 30k AoE damage and soaks up enemy healing... It doesn't exist because it would obviously be OP.

Qbiken

Remove the healing completely from the set. Replace it with a buff that increases the healing taken when standing inside the red area for it's duration. This way your healer still has to heal you in order to save you.

Kadoin

Don't forget the lag it contributes to when a certain faction stacks and nearly everyone seems to be wearing it...

darkblue5

Qbiken wrote: »

Remove the healing completely from the set. Replace it with a buff that increases the healing taken when standing inside the red area for it's duration. This way your healer still has to heal you in order to save you.

I mean whenever you damage most zergs or ball groups all you see is Red Rain when you really should be listening to Purple Rain. Clearly it is good, but what's kinda silly is using it in 3 dps 1 tank dungeon runs on tanks. On the PVE side it may well need nerfs to make healers actually needed for heals. This idea covers both.

Alucardo

Qbiken wrote: »

Remove the healing completely from the set. Replace it with a buff that increases the healing taken when standing inside the red area for it's duration. This way your healer still has to heal you in order to save you.

I like this 👍

SacredEarth

There are many legitimate concerns being raised in the Forums, but I fail to see this as one. I play a healer in BGs and I actually stopped using Earthgore because of it being too unreliable. It works great for defensive games or in any moment when your team is staying in one area, which is like 5% of the time. Otherwise it is proccing at bad times or the battle moves out of the effect. I actually switched to Troll King for more reliability. I could see how a DD build using this could seem OP, but in the burst meta I see people die while in the bloodrain often. No, this set doesn't need a nerf, at least not at my level of play. (somewhere between trash and noob).

NirnStorm

Pretty sure it was announced in the class reps notes that ZOS will be looking at earthgore performance by next patch. Hopefully it will be adjusted the right way when Khajiit lands are released.

Vapirko

Agree completely. This set is way out of line. You can get four people on you all wearing Earthgore. This set is nothing but a crutch. Healers were doing just fine in this game without it and it was a terrible decision to introduce.

TheBonesXXX

If they don't let it layer it won't be a prob.

Warpig6Delta

Qbiken wrote: »

Remove the healing completely from the set. Replace it with a buff that increases the healing taken when standing inside the red area for it's duration. This way your healer still has to heal you in order to save you.

That's a great idea!

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Don't worry EG is totally nerfed next patch

Coggo

Qbiken wrote: »

Remove the healing completely from the set. Replace it with a buff that increases the healing taken when standing inside the red area for it's duration. This way your healer still has to heal you in order to save you.

Oh this is a very good suggestion. DO IT. ZOS!

Chubarov_S

Qbiken wrote: »

Remove the healing completely from the set. Replace it with a buff that increases the healing taken when standing inside the red area for it's duration. This way your healer still has to heal you in order to save you.

In this case, it is necessary nerf Troll king, Blood Spawn, Chokeltron, Engine Gardian, Pirate Skeleton, Lord Warden and pieces to resists, as they give the same protection. When I was told that I won only because Erthgore, I just changed a set on resists and ..... also won.
Do not forget that the set is being put is another strong set and if you nerf, nerf ALL protective as monster sets.

Undefwun

Chubarov_S wrote: »

In this case, it is necessary nerf Troll king, Blood Spawn, Chokeltron, Engine Gardian, Pirate Skeleton, Lord Warden and pieces to resists, as they give the same protection. When I was told that I won only because Erthgore, I just changed a set on resists and ..... also won.
Do not forget that the set is being put is another strong set and if you nerf, nerf ALL protective as monster sets.

Not the same thing.

a) YOUR resists are not a group thing. They are not saving everyone.
b) If you notice that you are facing a tankier player you can change your approach to the fight.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Simple solution for PVPers: Turn off all Monster Sets in PVP zones. Done. Then you guys would complain that you don't get to use them....sigh. Never ends with the nerf threads.

wheem_ESO

I saw a picture of an Earthgore tooltip posted in a Discord that's apparently from the Boston event, showing some changes:

(1 item) Adds 4% Healing Done
(2 items) When you heal yourself or an ally that is under 50% Health, you conjure a pool of quenching blood underneath them, immediately removing all previous enemy placed effects, and healing the lowest Health ally in the area for 31200 Health over 6 seconds. This effect can occur once every 35 seconds.

If those changes go through, I believe that's a doubling of the 1 piece bonus, and limiting the proc to the lowest HP player in the area, rather than everyone.

Edit:
That probably won't help the situation of offensive Stamina builds running the set for their own benefit (unless a friendly player happens to be really close to them when a Vigor triggers it), but at least it won't be as powerful in the hands of a zerg.

Iskiab

What campaign do you guys play on? In BGs most healers prefer different sets. In the 30 day non-CP campaign I’ll sometimes see it but not often.

Are you actually seeing the proc or is this a salty ‘I lost in pvp so some set must be broken’ thread?

Sheuib

I don’t see it as a problem. I mostly play on shor NA campaign so we don’t have to deal with the ball groups. When I do play on Vivec I avoid the ball groups.

wheem_ESO

Iskiab wrote: »

What campaign do you guys play on? In BGs most healers prefer different sets. In the 30 day non-CP campaign I’ll sometimes see it but not often.

Are you actually seeing the proc or is this a salty ‘I lost in pvp so some set must be broken’ thread?

I don't really do Cyrodiil very often at all, but some dedicated healers in BGs will run the set at high MMR on PC-NA. It's particularly annoying when against premades, since it's often hard enough to actually get someone low to begin with, then Earthgore ruins your shot at a kill.

Iskiab

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

What campaign do you guys play on? In BGs most healers prefer different sets. In the 30 day non-CP campaign I’ll sometimes see it but not often.

Are you actually seeing the proc or is this a salty ‘I lost in pvp so some set must be broken’ thread?

I don't really do Cyrodiil very often at all, but some dedicated healers in BGs will run the set at high MMR on PC-NA. It's particularly annoying when against premades, since it's often hard enough to actually get someone low to begin with, then Earthgore ruins your shot at a kill.

That’s odd, almost all healers I speak with in high MMR prefer nightflame. PC-NA. Health pools jump like crazy in pvp and pvp healing is a lot twitch. Someone can jump from over and under 50% healthy 5 times per player per minute (if I had to guess).

I’ve seen you in BGs but think you’re in a higher bracket. I still get a lot of groups who don’t run good defense, but sometimes come across the super tanky premades.

Are people who’re complaining actually seeing the animation?

Thogard

Iskiab wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

What campaign do you guys play on? In BGs most healers prefer different sets. In the 30 day non-CP campaign I’ll sometimes see it but not often.

Are you actually seeing the proc or is this a salty ‘I lost in pvp so some set must be broken’ thread?

I don't really do Cyrodiil very often at all, but some dedicated healers in BGs will run the set at high MMR on PC-NA. It's particularly annoying when against premades, since it's often hard enough to actually get someone low to begin with, then Earthgore ruins your shot at a kill.

That’s odd, almost all healers I speak with in high MMR prefer nightflame. PC-NA. Health pools jump like crazy in pvp and pvp healing is a lot twitch. Someone can jump from over and under 50% healthy 5 times per player per minute (if I had to guess).

I’ve seen you in BGs but think you’re in a higher bracket. I still get a lot of groups who don’t run good defense, but sometimes come across the super tanky premades.

Are people who’re complaining actually seeing the animation?

Iskia we’re really not sure if you’re high MMR because we never see you in those matches.

Not an attack on you or anything because MMR has nothing to do with skill. I just keep seeing you writing that and then not seeing you in the high MMR matches.

LordTareq

With OP crap like Zaan / Selene / Velidreth / Valkyn Skoria in the game, Earthgore isn't really that much worse to warrant to nerf it and nothing else. They should downgrade every overperforming monster set.

Iskiab

Thogard wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

What campaign do you guys play on? In BGs most healers prefer different sets. In the 30 day non-CP campaign I’ll sometimes see it but not often.

Are you actually seeing the proc or is this a salty ‘I lost in pvp so some set must be broken’ thread?

I don't really do Cyrodiil very often at all, but some dedicated healers in BGs will run the set at high MMR on PC-NA. It's particularly annoying when against premades, since it's often hard enough to actually get someone low to begin with, then Earthgore ruins your shot at a kill.

That’s odd, almost all healers I speak with in high MMR prefer nightflame. PC-NA. Health pools jump like crazy in pvp and pvp healing is a lot twitch. Someone can jump from over and under 50% healthy 5 times per player per minute (if I had to guess).

I’ve seen you in BGs but think you’re in a higher bracket. I still get a lot of groups who don’t run good defense, but sometimes come across the super tanky premades.

Are people who’re complaining actually seeing the animation?

Iskia we’re really not sure if you’re high MMR because we never see you in those matches.

Not an attack on you or anything because MMR has nothing to do with skill. I just keep seeing you writing that and then not seeing you in the high MMR matches.

Yea, I think I’m in the middle high tier if that makes sense. I’ll sometimes be thrown in that tier and sometimes be in a lower tier. I think I saw you once on a templar?

I think the system is based on score, so while pure healing I’ve been getting crappy scores. I solo queue at different times of the day and most days just do the daily. I do more AvA.

Like look at this score, what BS. Are these high MMR names?

https://imgur.com/njoRXKN

I assume I’m sometimes in high MMR because I’ll be up against streamers like Fengrush or Dotsgaming in premades.

https://imgur.com/cVbdzoM

Since your score is hidden, I’m really not sure.

Thogard

Iskiab wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

What campaign do you guys play on? In BGs most healers prefer different sets. In the 30 day non-CP campaign I’ll sometimes see it but not often.

Are you actually seeing the proc or is this a salty ‘I lost in pvp so some set must be broken’ thread?

I don't really do Cyrodiil very often at all, but some dedicated healers in BGs will run the set at high MMR on PC-NA. It's particularly annoying when against premades, since it's often hard enough to actually get someone low to begin with, then Earthgore ruins your shot at a kill.

That’s odd, almost all healers I speak with in high MMR prefer nightflame. PC-NA. Health pools jump like crazy in pvp and pvp healing is a lot twitch. Someone can jump from over and under 50% healthy 5 times per player per minute (if I had to guess).

I’ve seen you in BGs but think you’re in a higher bracket. I still get a lot of groups who don’t run good defense, but sometimes come across the super tanky premades.

Are people who’re complaining actually seeing the animation?

Iskia we’re really not sure if you’re high MMR because we never see you in those matches.

Not an attack on you or anything because MMR has nothing to do with skill. I just keep seeing you writing that and then not seeing you in the high MMR matches.

Yea, I think I’m in the middle high tier if that makes sense. I’ll sometimes be thrown in that tier and sometimes be in a lower tier. I think I saw you once on a templar?

I think the system is based on score, so while pure healing I’ve been getting crappy scores. I solo queue at different times of the day and most days just do the daily. I do more AvA.

Like look at this score, what BS. Are these high MMR names?

https://imgur.com/njoRXKN

I assume I’m sometimes in high MMR because I’ll be up against streamers like Fengrush or Dotsgaming in premades.

https://imgur.com/cVbdzoM

Since your score is hidden, I’m really not sure.

Yeah my stamplar is my lowest MMR toon Right now vancevella is the only toon I recognize on your list. When it’s 4AM est he’ll get bumped up to high MMR due to the lack of other players in that range at that time.

Fengrush and dottz are both mid MMR players. Fengrush’s Stam sorc pushes to upper MMR, and any time he’s grouped with Bobbius (mograine ironfist) then combined they’ll be in the highest MMR.

Edit: again, not trying to say anything about any of these players. MMR has nothing to do with skill. If fengrush played just one or two characters instead of spreading his matches out between 8 then he’d be high MMR for sure.

For streamers that stream high MMR matches, you can watch me, mystikkal, or novellilol

Moonsorrow

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Don't worry EG is totally nerfed next patch

Hmm, maybe it finally happens then. Just in time we do get a new class that has a ranged resurrection for 3 people though.

Iskiab

Thogard wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

What campaign do you guys play on? In BGs most healers prefer different sets. In the 30 day non-CP campaign I’ll sometimes see it but not often.

Are you actually seeing the proc or is this a salty ‘I lost in pvp so some set must be broken’ thread?

I don't really do Cyrodiil very often at all, but some dedicated healers in BGs will run the set at high MMR on PC-NA. It's particularly annoying when against premades, since it's often hard enough to actually get someone low to begin with, then Earthgore ruins your shot at a kill.

That’s odd, almost all healers I speak with in high MMR prefer nightflame. PC-NA. Health pools jump like crazy in pvp and pvp healing is a lot twitch. Someone can jump from over and under 50% healthy 5 times per player per minute (if I had to guess).

I’ve seen you in BGs but think you’re in a higher bracket. I still get a lot of groups who don’t run good defense, but sometimes come across the super tanky premades.

Are people who’re complaining actually seeing the animation?

Iskia we’re really not sure if you’re high MMR because we never see you in those matches.

Not an attack on you or anything because MMR has nothing to do with skill. I just keep seeing you writing that and then not seeing you in the high MMR matches.

Yea, I think I’m in the middle high tier if that makes sense. I’ll sometimes be thrown in that tier and sometimes be in a lower tier. I think I saw you once on a templar?

I think the system is based on score, so while pure healing I’ve been getting crappy scores. I solo queue at different times of the day and most days just do the daily. I do more AvA.

Like look at this score, what BS. Are these high MMR names?

https://imgur.com/njoRXKN

I assume I’m sometimes in high MMR because I’ll be up against streamers like Fengrush or Dotsgaming in premades.

https://imgur.com/cVbdzoM

Since your score is hidden, I’m really not sure.

For streamers that stream high MMR matches, you can watch me, mystikkal, or novellilol

I’ll check it out. I think I’ve seen mystikkal in a BG, that names rings a bell. So I guess that puts me in the middle high range? Idk, the whole system is a black box so it’s hard to tell.

LoreToo

Earthgore is not that op, it has huge cd for it proc. And remember- healing in pvp cut in twice, so u get around 14k healing. Same as overbuffed healing with trollking+fury+vigor+rally. Learn to play with some minor/major defile? Time nb ult on it proc? No, better cry that its op and should be nerf