Why not make Skyshards and Mages Books account bound.

SNSquietxXSTORM

Why hasn't this been put into the game? Specially for console players that don't have mods to show them. It makes so much sense leaving you focusing on questing and leveling for the End Game. It makes you not want to create other characters. Make it simpler guys just my thoughts.

srfrogg23

Sure, it also raises the question, "I've leveled weapon skills on other characters already, why aren't those account bound, too?" Where do we draw the line? When leveling an alt, what should transfer from the main character? Got collectibles and champion points already. Seems like a bit of a slippery slope, but eventually people will argue that character levels should be account bound, too.

I think doing that would eliminate a lot of the long term, and more meaningful, progression from leveling alts. It would also make main characters far less meaningful.

That being said, you shouldn't be starving for skill points on your alts just by hitting max level and using what you get during the leveling process. You should have more than enough at max level for a fully functioning build that will work for the majority of the endgame content.

Farming skill points is really only a priority for crafters who want to max out all professions for daily writs and guild trader sales. That directly impacts our ability to make money, though. You get something like 5k gold for doing all 6 crafting writs each day. On 8 characters that just appeared out of nowhere with account bound skills points, that would be about 30k-40k gold per player, per day. Talk about destroying the in game economy... probably best to have players grind for that kind of economic advantage.

Lengthy response, but there's a few reasons to not make skill lines and skill points account bound.

Colecovision

I just want to say, that gathering skyshards for 8th time is the laziest thing a person can do. Someone will come and call the op lazy. That person needs to post a video of themselves sitting in a chair gathering skyshards to support their non lazy claim.

Geocaching is non lazy skyshard hunting. Look it up and give it a shot.

tmbrinks

Search feature is your friend. There are numerous threads here already for this. No need to reiterate the same arguments over and over again.

ghastley

SNSquietxXSTORM wrote: »

Why hasn't this been put into the game? Specially for console players that don't have mods to show them. It makes so much sense leaving you focusing on questing and leveling for the End Game. It makes you not want to create other characters. Make it simpler guys just my thoughts.

Do delves not show on consoles? Half the skyshards in any zone are in delves, and every delve has a skyshard. And i'd assume they're on your compass when you get close, whether they're out in the open or in a delve.

r34lian

I agree with skyshard and mages guild being account bound cause it's way to tideous getting them for alts for instance if I want one of my stamina dps to turn to tank I'd have to grind skyshard so again too much of grind why not make them account bound just like cp as character reaches level 50 all skyshard skills will be given to him this would be much better rather then running around for something no one enjoys again again.

r34lian

ghastley wrote: »

SNSquietxXSTORM wrote: »

Why hasn't this been put into the game? Specially for console players that don't have mods to show them. It makes so much sense leaving you focusing on questing and leveling for the End Game. It makes you not want to create other characters. Make it simpler guys just my thoughts.

Do delves not show on consoles? Half the skyshards in any zone are in delves, and every delve has a skyshard. And i'd assume they're on your compass when you get close, whether they're out in the open or in a delve.

There are 18 skyshard per zone of them 6 are in delves and 1 in public dungeon.

xaraan

No thank you. Unless you are going to give me equivalent skill points for all the shards i've already picked up on my 15 guys. It's a separate character - there is no reason you should have anything already leveled and handed to you for free. They've already giftwrapped CP account wide for you, let's not think that means it entitles you to every other thing you want as well.

theyancey

This crap again? The answer is still NO!

r34lian

What I'll suggest is give shared skill points once the character reaches level 50 just like cp .

Dragonnord

xaraan wrote: »

No thank you. Unless you are going to give me equivalent skill points for all the shards i've already picked up on my 15 guys. It's a separate character - there is no reason you should have anything already leveled and handed to you for free. They've already giftwrapped CP account wide for you, let's not think that means it entitles you to every other thing you want as well.

Exactly this. Why would someone had to spend months getting all the skyshards for all his/her toons and someone just comes, farms for one toon and mirrors them in 14 toons?
 

Merlin13KAGL

Soul19reaper wrote: »

ghastley wrote: »

SNSquietxXSTORM wrote: »

Why hasn't this been put into the game? Specially for console players that don't have mods to show them. It makes so much sense leaving you focusing on questing and leveling for the End Game. It makes you not want to create other characters. Make it simpler guys just my thoughts.

Do delves not show on consoles? Half the skyshards in any zone are in delves, and every delve has a skyshard. And i'd assume they're on your compass when you get close, whether they're out in the open or in a delve.

There are 18 skyshard per zone of them 6 are in delves and 1 in public dungeon.

And it's already been brought up in multiple threads prior that you can be viable without getting remotely close to every skyshard.

Do the 4 man quests one time. Do the public dungeon group event per zone. Do whatever minimum PvP you're going to do to unlock what you're going to unlock. You'll have enough skillpoints to do the majority of what you need to do on any non-crafting character.

Pick up the rest by picking the glow as you happen across it.

If you want a map marker available after you've located it the first time around, I'd be fine with this. Requesting they just fully carry over is not, and will never be necessary, as dozens of multi-page threads before this one have already pointed out.

Delves don't move. Public's don't move. 4-man doesn't even require you to know the location of the dungeon you're questing to clear. And last, but not least, skyshards glow just as blue and as bright on console when you're halfway near one.

A skyshard shortcut isn't impeding you from making other characters, any more than any of the other half dozen 'necessary' grinds is.

1000's of people have made dozens of characters without issue, and will do so again when Elsweyr comes out.

r34lian

There is always room for improvement just because we grinded dosent means newer players should also and besides there is no fun when youre forced to grind and skyshard being one of them.

therift

How about this idea:

Delete all skyshards from the game.

Move the skill points to quests instead.

wolfie1.0.

Soul19reaper wrote: »

There is always room for improvement just because we grinded dosent means newer players should also and besides there is no fun when youre forced to grind and skyshard being one of them.

No one forced you to grind skill points. There are over 400 skill points available in the game with dlcs and more get added with each new release.

My question to you is how you got your alts to 50 with so few skill points? What method are you using? Dolmen and actual mob grinding em mass can be quick, however your going to lack for skill points. It's more efficient to do daily random dungeons, complete delves and public dungeons and hit up a bit of pvp in between. If players will just diversify leveling the grind isn't so bad.

Merlin13KAGL

Exactly. Don't do it.

You're not forced to collect shards any more than you're forced to make alts. Problem solved.

xaraan

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Soul19reaper wrote: »

There is always room for improvement just because we grinded dosent means newer players should also and besides there is no fun when youre forced to grind and skyshard being one of them.

No one forced you to grind skill points. There are over 400 skill points available in the game with dlcs and more get added with each new release.

My question to you is how you got your alts to 50 with so few skill points? What method are you using? Dolmen and actual mob grinding em mass can be quick, however your going to lack for skill points. It's more efficient to do daily random dungeons, complete delves and public dungeons and hit up a bit of pvp in between. If players will just diversify leveling the grind isn't so bad.

Yeah, the amount of high-level/low-skill players is growing and really hurting the game. I seem to encounter more and more players everyday that ground up and opened up the bare minimum, doesn't bother with mechanics, etc. And then they ask for more and more things to be given to them - gimme sky shards, gimme lore books, gimme wayshrines open, gimme easier content to clear...

ArenGesus

Grinding the same quests and delves over and over is lame. When I create an alt, it's to support a different playstyle, not to just play the entire game over again. Yeah, I know I don't need all shards on the same character, but some grinds are just no fun, even the first time. My favorite to hate are lore books and psijic questline. Just give them to me when I reach 50. And horse stats.

VaranisArano

Colecovision wrote: »

I just want to say, that gathering skyshards for 8th time is the laziest thing a person can do. Someone will come and call the op lazy. That person needs to post a video of themselves sitting in a chair gathering skyshards to support their non lazy claim.

Geocaching is non lazy skyshard hunting. Look it up and give it a shot.

If I wanted to wander around IRL looking for things like its a video game, I think I'd play Pokemon Go.

Otherwise, I'm not seeing how Geocaching addresses the desire to have multiple well-rounded max level characters in ESO as much as its a comment along the lines of "Those gamers are lazy bums who ought to go outside more often."

Please. Its the first week of actual Spring in my part of the U.S. I'm delighted to be back outside.

Now if that was a joke, sorry, I often feel tone deaf over the internet and my sarcasm detector is down for repairs again.

r34lian

Leveling a character doing main quests for prophet as well as dlcs ( murkmire /summerset / morrowind) lefts me spare 20 skill points now my character is pve dps what if I want to change role like to tank or healer or pvp those 20 won't be enough rather then playing and enjoying game I'd be force to grind , people these days be like if I get hit by stone while walking rather then remove it let's keep it there so others can get hit too:/

Tandor

No thanks, it's completely unnecessary even for those who are only interested in the "endgame" and wholly ruining of their enjoyment for those whose interest is in the leveling process and actually playing through the game more than once.

Console players aren't missing something that all PC players use - there are plenty of PC players who don't use addons, especially those that hold their hand and point the way.

Sheezabeast

ZOS needs to implement skyshard/lorebooks into the new Zone Guide for console, PERIOD. Us PC users have no excuse to whine about something that is optional and we choose to do.

wolfie1.0.

ArenGesus wrote: »

Grinding the same quests and delves over and over is lame. When I create an alt, it's to support a different playstyle, not to just play the entire game over again. Yeah, I know I don't need all shards on the same character, but some grinds are just no fun, even the first time. My favorite to hate are lore books and psijic questline. Just give them to me when I reach 50. And horse stats.

When you create an alternate character you do so knowing that you will need to do all of this.

ZOS has already done a lot to reduce the lvl grind: One tamriel, removal of vet ranks, redistribution of how skill points are earned. Tons of experience scrolls and double exp events. Level up rewards. Etc.

Then there's the question of how many alts do you really need? The only things you cant change are faction and class. So if you want one of each class that's 5 characters. So you only need to level 5. That's not too bad.

Edit: I agree that horse leveling is a pain, but argue that they should allow you to pump 1 in each stat each day and not what it is now.

Merlin13KAGL

Soul19reaper wrote: »

Leveling a character doing main quests for prophet as well as dlcs ( murkmire /summerset / morrowind) lefts me spare 20 skill points now my character is pve dps what if I want to change role like to tank or healer or pvp those 20 won't be enough rather then playing and enjoying game I'd be force to grind , people these days be like if I get hit by stone while walking rather then remove it let's keep it there so others can get hit too:/

Of course they will, if you respec.

If you're trying to multi-role, why the hell should they be enough - you're basically wanting to do two characters in one?

Use the search. Search the old threads. The answers are already there.

fullheartcontainer

therift wrote: »

How about this idea:

Delete all skyshards from the game.

Move the skill points to quests instead.

oh god no this is the worst idea of all what lmao. This would make it even *more* tedious, heavily disincline people from creating alts, and totally alienate the entire pvp population

therift

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

therift wrote: »

How about this idea:

Delete all skyshards from the game.

Move the skill points to quests instead.

oh god no this is the worst idea of all what lmao. This would make it even *more* tedious, heavily disincline people from creating alts, and totally alienate the entire pvp population

Correct. Which is why ZoS distributed some of the skill points in the game, in the form of skyshards, to convenient locations that also encourage exploration.

todokete

MMO's aren't like this. You grind for your rewards and they feel rewarding. Otherwise it would be to easy to do anything thus boring

p00tx

I used to be adamantly against this, especially since I had already done my grinding and didn't think it was fair that a new player could come in and have it so much easier than I did. After 3 plus years of playing this game however, and many many MANY characters, I am so freaking over it. I'd be okay with skyshards and lorebooks being account bound. Not levels, not skill lines, and not individual abilities, but definitely skyshards and lorebooks. They're just so tedious, it's mind numbing. We don't even have the benefit of the add-ons that PC users get to make it easier, so please don't anyone come back with "iT's nOt tHaT hArd GT gUd sKruBBbB", especially not if you're on PC.

Hallothiel

Ffs stop bloody whinging and just play the damn game. It doesn’t take long to get to level 50 nor is it particularly hard to get skyshards necessary to get the skill points needed (unless going for a master crafter).

Have 14 characters. Manage to do quests & find skyshards & magic books as required on all of them - and am on console.

disintegr8

I'm with @Hallothiel on this: I have 15 max level characters on my main account (PS4) with all magicka (and some stamina) characters at mages guild level 10, all with enough skill points to reach level 50 in all crafting lines (except jewelry) and they all know at least 8 traits on everything.

Maybe we are the exception, but the 'grind' is part of the game, some of us just accept that for what it is and enjoy it as best we can.

ArenGesus

Maybe we are the exception, but the 'grind' is part of the game, some of us just accept that for what it is and enjoy it as best we can.

Maybe, maybe not. But I don't know why anybody says no, you shouldn't have that thing you want just because I don't want you to. I already am at cp cap and have a good number of alts. But I would definitely try a lot of different builds if I had the play time available to do so and going from stam to mag or whatever just requires a huge time sink. It's great that you're willing to accept the grind, but I would rather play the game.

If a bunch of players are saying, "hey - grinding isn't fun", what's the problem with reducing it? Is "this is just how the game is - it can't be changed" really a valid argument? Of course it isn't just "what it is" - they can change anything and I've yet to see a valid argument for not making this change except for "I had to do it so you should have to too". I already did do it. It sucked. Make it stop.