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Stam DK build
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Would recommend going Fury + 7th Legion/Impreg armor in heavy with swoard and board + 2h.Ragnarock41 wrote: »note you can run protective jewelry and drop brass for a more offensive set, or run both for even more tankiness.Don't play stamdk, it's the most useless and gimpy spec both heavy and medium
this may seem trolly but other then DK having wings its kind of true, pretty much every other stam class is better.
Much thanks to Wrobel, from god tier to bottom tier :')
I hope this is a joke. They're on top together with magsorc (with pet) and stamblade right now lol, far away from being bottom tier.
Care to explain? StamDK didn't get any kind of buff recently. Petsorcs on the other hand is a quite different case.
More meele range isn't a buff for you? Wings which now give you a snare removal even in heavy armor with Rally morph isn't a buff? More sustain isn't a buff? No? Ok.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.3 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Would recommend going Fury + 7th Legion/Impreg armor in heavy with swoard and board + 2h.Ragnarock41 wrote: »note you can run protective jewelry and drop brass for a more offensive set, or run both for even more tankiness.Don't play stamdk, it's the most useless and gimpy spec both heavy and medium
this may seem trolly but other then DK having wings its kind of true, pretty much every other stam class is better.
Much thanks to Wrobel, from god tier to bottom tier :')
I hope this is a joke. They're on top together with magsorc (with pet) and stamblade right now lol, far away from being bottom tier.
Care to explain? StamDK didn't get any kind of buff recently. Petsorcs on the other hand is a quite different case.
More meele range isn't a buff for you? Wings which now give you a snare removal even in heavy armor with Rally morph isn't a buff? More sustain isn't a buff? No? Ok.
I said recently. Not the collection of every single buff stamDK got in two years. And you do miss a lot of details.
Wings that require truckloads of additional magicka regen on top of already bad magicka sustain. compared to cheap and longer FM. I suppose you realize this isn't a very reliable or sustainable source of snare removal.
the uh.. sustain(if you call it that) to two of the already very cheap dots , and the fact that they're dots makes them even cheaper btw, wasn't all that helpful compared to sustain buffs classes like warden got or stamplar got over the course of last year.
Dot cost was never a sustain issue for DK.(both claws and volatile does cost almost nothing) And well, combustion is sustain but very small and RNG based. As for the 2 meter range, Its meaningful buff, yes this is a nice and appreciated buff.
but not a game changer in any way or exploitable in any way. We just have slightly longer range thats all there is to it. Mostly useful for PvE.
I don't see how 2 meters of extra range and my claws costing even cheaper makes me suddenly stamblade levels of OP?Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 18, 2019 12:31PM4 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Would recommend going Fury + 7th Legion/Impreg armor in heavy with swoard and board + 2h.Ragnarock41 wrote: »note you can run protective jewelry and drop brass for a more offensive set, or run both for even more tankiness.Don't play stamdk, it's the most useless and gimpy spec both heavy and medium
this may seem trolly but other then DK having wings its kind of true, pretty much every other stam class is better.
Much thanks to Wrobel, from god tier to bottom tier :')
I hope this is a joke. They're on top together with magsorc (with pet) and stamblade right now lol, far away from being bottom tier.
Care to explain? StamDK didn't get any kind of buff recently. Petsorcs on the other hand is a quite different case.
More meele range isn't a buff for you? Wings which now give you a snare removal even in heavy armor with Rally morph isn't a buff? More sustain isn't a buff? No? Ok.
I said recently. Not the collection of every single buff stamDK got in two years. And you do miss a lot of details.
Wings that require truckloads of additional magicka regen on top of already bad magicka sustain. compared to cheap and longer FM. I suppose you realize this isn't a very reliable or sustainable source of snare removal.
the uh.. sustain(if you call it that) to two of the already very cheap dots , and the fact that they're dots makes them even cheaper btw, wasn't all that helpful compared to sustain buffs classes like warden got or stamplar got over the course of last year.
Dot cost was never a sustain issue for DK.(both claws and volatile does cost almost nothing) And well, combustion is sustain but very small and RNG based. As for the 2 meter range, Its meaningful buff, yes this is a nice and appreciated buff.
but not a game changer in any way or exploitable in any way. We just have slightly longer range thats all there is to it. Mostly useful for PvE.
I don't see how 2 meters of extra range and my claws costing even cheaper makes me suddenly stamblade levels of OP?
Honestly I agree that stamnb is a bit too strong right now but it's by far not as much as you pretend it is. I also consider stam Dk as too strong right now (and magsorc too), that's where you heavily start to disagree. You don't even want to fix balance, you just want to balance the game around your stam Dk and being as destructive as possible while doing so, you just have an agenda against stamnb and stamden and somehow manage to turn every thread into a nerf nb/warden or buff Dk thread. You even think it's unfair to have counters against dots/bleeds, so basically stam Dk isn't allowed to have a single bad match up, just lol. Meanwhile having a counter to all ranged attacks isn't unfair because it's a Dk ability?I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
Theignson✭✭✭✭✭My stam dk is ar45 and my stam warden ar39. Stam DK has 2 advantages in cyrodil compared to the warden: reflective plate and fossilze. Fossilize is the strongest cc in the game I think. Warden has shimmering shield but it isn't as good. Warden has Shalks, which is super strong. Overall I prefer playing the StamDK, which was my first character, maybe because I am so familiar with it.
Fury is absolutely necessary for a StamDK but there is more variability in the second set and monster helms than this post would suggest.
StamDK lacks the burst because of no Shalks, but can be very hard to kill and can keep applying pressure. In an open field battle (20-40 each side) a StamDK can be a monster.3 GOs, a Warlord, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP3 -
mursie✭✭✭✭✭Ppl using chudan on a dk should delete their Accounts.....
I like chudan on a few classes. 1 pc bonus of pirate skeleton and skoria combined plus major ward for free at all times freeing up a slot for something like FOO with 10% more crit and pulsing dmg.
if i'm using vigor in battle... i almost always have wings up with it... so i'm not missing out on the passive healing boost foregone by not having volatile armor.
I also like chudan on magsorc.
that said - i do understand the philosophy of bloodspawn on DK as well for ulti gen which is another bread and butter passive of the class.1 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bloodspawn is great, Troll King is awesome, and works well with 7th and Fury. I used to match 7th with Spriggan for that extra penetrating goodness (thats what she said), spamming Leaps like no tomorrow. It's tanky.
I had it on burst build (yes, I can land Dizzying Swing pretty consistently) with 2H maul, then used Wing to retreat on the 1HS bar while DoT-ing everything on my path.
But now I'm having great success with medium build. 5 deadly strikes med, Valkyn Skoria heavy+light set (procs on DoT), and Spriggan still on infused jewels and Nirn/Inf weapons to max up wep damage.
Also, DW + 2H. DW is the single-target DoT and spamming spin-to-win, 2H is strictly DoT and buff/debuff bar with Carve, also Dawnbreaker (which is a DoT). double-axe + great-axe.
Sure, I'm squishier than those 1vX DK on meta, but in a zerg vs zerg, or even 2-3 that jumps in middle of zerg, the damage I dish out is on a monster level.
Jumps in, Carve, Nox breath (spammable, spam it), swap, Claw (spammable, don't spam it!), spam rending or spin to win, LEAP, got stam back, rinse repeat. Just make sure keep moving/dodging though, and I can get Skoria to proc every 4 sec. I have blade cloak to reduce AoE damage and bonus sprint, standard vigor, no wings necessary. volatile armor and fossilize to complete the bar too.
On especially tough customers, i begin with nox breath then Dawnbreaker.
So yes, i think heavy or med is viable. heavy is meta, med is great. is it better than stamWarden or stamSorc or stamBlade? probably not.
but i love it.August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber1 -
armeegrun✭✭Anyway, and by all means do not go with what I have here. I have had so much trouble building this Class as a PVP. I followed a couple of posted builds from some highly recommended sites, with zero luck. After alot of reading and talking to others, I kept her in Medium Armor and went with Battelfield Acrobat and Spriggans, as that is all I had at the moment, seems to do better but I think I may want to look at the heavy armor option I see with 7th and Warriors Fury, but every time I talk to someone about that they tell me that set up would make me "lame." As in if i have it then I must be a bad and unskilled player because they say it takes no skill to do anything in that cheese.... I dunno, I may do it anyways.... I have been told that building a meta cheese build is lame, but I am sick and tired of getting killed...lol0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Anyway, and by all means do not go with what I have here. I have had so much trouble building this Class as a PVP. I followed a couple of posted builds from some highly recommended sites, with zero luck. After alot of reading and talking to others, I kept her in Medium Armor and went with Battelfield Acrobat and Spriggans, as that is all I had at the moment, seems to do better but I think I may want to look at the heavy armor option I see with 7th and Warriors Fury, but every time I talk to someone about that they tell me that set up would make me "lame." As in if i have it then I must be a bad and unskilled player because they say it takes no skill to do anything in that cheese.... I dunno, I may do it anyways.... I have been told that building a meta cheese build is lame, but I am sick and tired of getting killed...lol
Whoever is telling you that, stop taking him/her seriously and go get yourself fury-seventh. Its cheese huh?, so what if it is?0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
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Ah well, I guess that is a good exception. For the other %99 of cases chudan will be more trouble than its worth though. For example Dk using chudan means no healing received.(I remember a guy who used to run in a zergling dk with 40k hp and he was with chudan, spamming green dragon blood instead of spikes. I guess if you are zergsurfing everything works huh?)Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 26, 2019 1:08PM1 -
armeegrun✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
Whoever is telling you that, stop taking him/her seriously and go get yourself fury-seventh. Its cheese huh?, so what if it is?
I think I will, I have spent so much gold to respec skills and champion points, etc. so many times because they say it is much better to figure something out on your own, and that makes you a better player and such. Maybe sometimes its better to not reinvent the wheel, I have 7th, just need to hunt down Warriors Fury.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
Whoever is telling you that, stop taking him/her seriously and go get yourself fury-seventh. Its cheese huh?, so what if it is?
I think I will, I have spent so much gold to respec skills and champion points, etc. so many times because they say it is much better to figure something out on your own, and that makes you a better player and such. Maybe sometimes its better to not reinvent the wheel, I have 7th, just need to hunt down Warriors Fury.
It is better to figure out on your own, however it is irrefusable truth that stamDK synergies best with weapon damage sets. Actually its the only thing stamDK right now really, really shines at. Also make sure you run sword and shield to bolster survivability with this setup, as mobility in heavy armor will be an absolute nightmare even with snare immunity.(And well, SnB main bar beats any other alternative in reliability+major defile from reverb is critical to killing tankier opponents)Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 26, 2019 1:21PM1 -
armeegrun✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
It is better to figure out on your own, however it is irrefusable truth that stamDK synergies best with weapon damage sets. Actually its the only thing stamDK right now really, really shines at. Also make sure you run sword and shield to bolster survivability with this setup, as mobility in heavy armor will be an absolute nightmare even with snare immunity.(And well, SnB main bar beats any other alternative in reliability+major defile from reverb is critical to killing tankier opponents)
Thanks much! I'll be taking care of this tonight, however I may have to substitute Warrior Fury with something else while I hunt it down.0 -
mursie✭✭✭✭✭Anyway, and by all means do not go with what I have here. I have had so much trouble building this Class as a PVP. I followed a couple of posted builds from some highly recommended sites, with zero luck. After alot of reading and talking to others, I kept her in Medium Armor and went with Battelfield Acrobat and Spriggans, as that is all I had at the moment, seems to do better but I think I may want to look at the heavy armor option I see with 7th and Warriors Fury, but every time I talk to someone about that they tell me that set up would make me "lame." As in if i have it then I must be a bad and unskilled player because they say it takes no skill to do anything in that cheese.... I dunno, I may do it anyways.... I have been told that building a meta cheese build is lame, but I am sick and tired of getting killed...lol
try shackle/ravaging/chudan - 2h/dw (with master's dw)
having magicka to support your wings/fossilize/FOO is important. having ravaging to spike your weapon dmg (in excess of 5K in bg's) is also really nice due to DK access to minor and major brutality.1 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
It is better to figure out on your own, however it is irrefusable truth that stamDK synergies best with weapon damage sets. Actually its the only thing stamDK right now really, really shines at. Also make sure you run sword and shield to bolster survivability with this setup, as mobility in heavy armor will be an absolute nightmare even with snare immunity.(And well, SnB main bar beats any other alternative in reliability+major defile from reverb is critical to killing tankier opponents)
Thanks much! I'll be taking care of this tonight, however I may have to substitute Warrior Fury with something else while I hunt it down.
you can replace it with something like shacklebreaker which works allright, and is easy to get.
Good thing with shackle is that its a great ''learning set''. With it you can experiment a lot and learn a lot, and its not weak by any means, just not recommended when you could be wearing fury instead.(As you can guess fury is way too good to pass especially in CP campaign.)Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 27, 2019 5:39AM1 -
armeegrun✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »
you can replace it with something like shacklebreaker which works allright, and is easy to get.
Good thing with shackle is that its a great ''learning set''. With it you can experiment a lot and learn a lot, and its not weak by any means, just not recommended when you could be wearing fury instead.(As you can guess fury is way too good to pass especially in CP campaign.)
Good deal, thanks for the info. I am guessing an elite gear vendor in Cyrodil will have Fury, I got a few million alliance points that need spent...lol0 -
Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭I’m moving to 7th legion + fury or 7th legion + shack;
What glyphs would you use for 2h and S&B?0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I’m moving to 7th legion + fury or 7th legion + shack;
What glyphs would you use for 2h and S&B?
Tri-stats on armor to reach higher hp-mag pool(higher mag pool is especially important so that you get full benefit out of battle roar when you use an expensive ultimate.)
For jewelry if your race is redguard or imperial I would go full weapon damage, but for orc or nord I would go 1 infused cost reduction and 2 infused weapon damage. You don't really have to go infused but I find the extra weapon damage worth it, and heavy armor gives you plenty of extra HP+resistances so thats not a problem aswell.0 -
armeegrun✭✭Made the switch so Seventh Legion and Fury, LOVE IT! What a difference, and I only had enough mats to improve a few items to legendary!1
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Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭Made the switch so Seventh Legion and Fury, LOVE IT! What a difference, and I only had enough mats to improve a few items to legendary!
very interesting: what is the main thing you've noticed?
I'm really not sure about what to use with 7th: Viper for the extra poison? Spriggan for the extra penetration? Deadly strikes? Shackle?Edited by Rhaegar75 on April 1, 2019 4:55PM0 -
armeegrun✭✭
very interesting: what is the main thing you've noticed?
Those health tank builds avoid me now after they take a few pot shots at me and I hit back. I don't get ganked, well I mean I do, it just doesn't end in my toons death, usually theirs....lol
Also, I get a lot more kills and way LESS deaths. Example.
Over the weekend I was running with AD, attacking a blue keep, we had the door down when suddenly blue poured from the keep, as we all fled, I kept popping wings, rally and volatile armor, before I knew it I was in the middle of no less than a hundred blue players, I even got some kills until they decided they should not let me run in the middle of their zerg...lol I think everyone of them focused on me at that point because I took so much incoming that the screen all turned white and blue from all the different attack animations. IT WAS AWESOME...lolEdited by armeegrun on April 1, 2019 5:25PM1 -
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very interesting: what is the main thing you've noticed?
Those health tank builds avoid me now after they take a few pot shots at me and I hit back. I don't get ganked, well I mean I do, it just doesn't end in my toons death, usually theirs....lol
Also, I get a lot more kills and way LESS deaths. Example.
Over the weekend I was running with AD, attacking a blue keep, we had the door down when suddenly blue poured from the keep, as we all fled, I kept popping wings, rally and volatile armor, before I knew it I was in the middle of no less than a hundred blue players, I even got some kills until they decided they should not let me run in the middle of their zerg...lol I think everyone of them focused on me at that point because I took so much incoming that the screen all turned white and blue from all the different attack animations. IT WAS AWESOME...lol
I TOTALLY love the sounds of what you wrote
what are you running weapon wise? 0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm enjoying Imperial on my stam dk, especially considering I run medium (Fortified Brass). Also using Blood Spawn, which is essential for keeping those ults up for resource return. As for the second 5pc, well I haven't settled on anything yet. So far it's between Spriggans and Ravager. Uptime is pretty high on ravager as it can proc on basically anything I do, even noxious.
how is your sustain with either of those builds? also which is better orc or nord? and do you run dw/2h?
Woop sorry, late to reply. Sustain is actually amazing on an Imperial DK. I've switched Fortified Brass to Impreg to try out, so I'm rocking nearly 5k crit resists, and I'm running some protective on the jewellery to get back some of them resistances. It's quite bulky for a medium build, and still packs a punch.
Still using Blood Spawn and ravager (jewellery and weapons).
I run 2h/SnB. The 2h bar is mostly a buff bar, and the main work gets done on SnB. If you can master SnB weaving, the damage is actually disgusting.0 -
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✭✭Not to hijack this thread but which should I pair with 7th for no CP: heavy impreg or crest of cyrodiil?Edited by ccmedaddy on April 2, 2019 2:07AM0
