Vampires

Vandril

Why the hell weren't you sleeping, though?

C'mon, now! ESO's not going anywhere. XD

Knootewoot

And to think my character was bitten on accident when i was just fooling around.

But really, the NPC's dialogs are not worth it. Spare yourself the pain and i will bite you for free....... if you on PC-EU.

Morgha_Kul

Vandril wrote: »

Why the hell weren't you sleeping, though?

C'mon, now! ESO's not going anywhere. XD

It disconnects you automatically after a certain time. Not sure how long, 15minutes? So, I had to be there to jiggle the mouse.

starkerealm

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Ah, ok. So, it's even MORE ridiculously difficult. Not only do you have to be bitten by that specific bloodfiend on that specific day, at that specific time, in that specific zone, and in a specific place... but that place is randomly changed so you can never know WHERE to be.

No, it's pretty easy if you're actually, you know, playing the game. Trying to cheese it will not work in your favor however, as you discovered. There's no point to even being on line the entire time. I've explained how to find them, and then you chose to sit at one location and camp there.

It took me less than 48 hours to get a natural infection to get you the screenshots of what you would miss. And, for the record, I wasn't even planning on that. I infected my characters on a whim, to get you those screenshots. It's not like I sat down and went, "okay, I'll show this guy how wrong he is, by camping them."

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Vandril wrote: »

Why the hell weren't you sleeping, though?

C'mon, now! ESO's not going anywhere. XD

It disconnects you automatically after a certain time. Not sure how long, 15minutes? So, I had to be there to jiggle the mouse.

Which leads to another question: What made you think you needed to be online the entire time.

There's only four windows during the day when the vampires can spawn. It takes about 5 minutes to completely sweep a zone to check and see if they're up. So, you wait for when they can be up, do a sweep, if they're not up, you might hang around for a few minutes watching zone, but otherwise, you can go to bed, get six hours sleep, and then wake up and try again.

Sitting in one place, nudging the mouse, is the wrong way to go about this. In fact, I'm pretty sure the system was specifically designed to impede this kind of behavior, because when the Bloodfiends were easy to farm, trolls would pick them off, then sell the bites back to other players. It was a mess. The resulting mechanic allows you to get infections while playing the game (or actively searching during the windows of opportunity), but discourages passively sitting there and waiting for a slap.

What's worse is, I'm willing to bet, during those 96 hours, there were players in zone announcing that they'd found bloodfiends, but because sleep deprivation had kicked in, or because you ignore Zone, or whatever, you didn't see that.

BomblePants

I got bitten without realising it!! Until I saw ‘vampirism’ in my character stats I never knew! I gotta say.... finding Volundril or whatever his name is was really thrilling for me.... really enjoyed getting vamp this way... good luck dude!

Morgha_Kul

starkerealm wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Ah, ok. So, it's even MORE ridiculously difficult. Not only do you have to be bitten by that specific bloodfiend on that specific day, at that specific time, in that specific zone, and in a specific place... but that place is randomly changed so you can never know WHERE to be.

No, it's pretty easy if you're actually, you know, playing the game. Trying to cheese it will not work in your favor however, as you discovered. There's no point to even being on line the entire time. I've explained how to find them, and then you chose to sit at one location and camp there.

It took me less than 48 hours to get a natural infection to get you the screenshots of what you would miss. And, for the record, I wasn't even planning on that. I infected my characters on a whim, to get you those screenshots. It's not like I sat down and went, "okay, I'll show this guy how wrong he is, by camping them."

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Vandril wrote: »

Why the hell weren't you sleeping, though?

C'mon, now! ESO's not going anywhere. XD

It disconnects you automatically after a certain time. Not sure how long, 15minutes? So, I had to be there to jiggle the mouse.

Which leads to another question: What made you think you needed to be online the entire time.

There's only four windows during the day when the vampires can spawn. It takes about 5 minutes to completely sweep a zone to check and see if they're up. So, you wait for when they can be up, do a sweep, if they're not up, you might hang around for a few minutes watching zone, but otherwise, you can go to bed, get six hours sleep, and then wake up and try again.

Sitting in one place, nudging the mouse, is the wrong way to go about this. In fact, I'm pretty sure the system was specifically designed to impede this kind of behavior, because when the Bloodfiends were easy to farm, trolls would pick them off, then sell the bites back to other players. It was a mess. The resulting mechanic allows you to get infections while playing the game (or actively searching during the windows of opportunity), but discourages passively sitting there and waiting for a slap.

What's worse is, I'm willing to bet, during those 96 hours, there were players in zone announcing that they'd found bloodfiends, but because sleep deprivation had kicked in, or because you ignore Zone, or whatever, you didn't see that.

Well, I remained online the whole time so I wouldn't miss them. I'd hate for them to have spawned while I was offline. However, I didn't know that the spot wasn't consistent when I started doing this. You only told me that the other day. With that information, I started going around to the various spawn locations (something else I needed to be ATK for), but STILL didn't see them.

No matter, I'll just have to give up on it. I have to be back at work now, and can't spend anymore time on it.

Waynerx8

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Well, I give up. After a little over 4 days, I just can't stay awake anymore. I've been to several of the sites the bloodfiends are supposed to spawn at, and they're never there.

It's utterly absurd how difficult they've made it to get bitten by one of them. Sorely, SORELY disappointed now, but I have to sleep.

I expect after 4 sleepless days, I at least LOOK like a vampire now...
:P

Don't they spawn in the crown store

InvictusApollo

I still remember the good old days when people were spawn camping vampire spawns tro prevent people from getting infected and then selling them vampire bites for dozens of thousands of gold.

Wildberryjack

Are you on NA or EU? I'm on both. If I see Bloodfiends up I'll see if you're on and let you know where they are.

Malprave

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Since it's so difficult, I went out and got naturally infected, to provide you with the dialog. Here are the lines you missed:

And that's it for Volundil.

So... My question is, how would you be able to find them so quickly and easily? I've been hanging around in Bangkorai at the spot by the cemetary where they're supposed to spawn (or so the online guides say), and they've never spawned here when I've been here (and that's pretty well every day for four months).

Funny thing happened to me in Bangkorai. I farm there on a couple different characters. One is a vampire so he has nothing to fear from the same. But the one that isn’t, got bitten sometime, somewhere on my farming route! I’m not sure how long it took me to notice looking at his character sheet.

Athymhormia

Spawn times and locations indeed do seem a bit random nowadays, I've looked through my screens over the years of playing and noticed moon phase inconsistency, like ww spawned not on full moon (or my addons were a bit wonky, can't say for sure). I've captured the moon phase during the last time I've seen vampire npc, been searching for them for a long time with that character, and saw bloodfiends only near the Dune that day.

barney2525

When I was researching vampire, I goggled a bunch of info. It included maps of exactly where to look for the blood fiends, but also noted that it is common for other PCs to go through the area just killing them. I forget why, but that's why most articles recommended getting PC bite and then doing the quest.

Edit: actually, that was Googled... with my goggles I suppose

starkerealm

barney2525 wrote: »

When I was researching vampire, I goggled a bunch of info. It included maps of exactly where to look for the blood fiends, but also noted that it is common for other PCs to go through the area just killing them. I forget why, but that's why most articles recommended getting PC bite and then doing the quest.

Edit: actually, that was Googled... with my goggles I suppose

The googles, they do nothing!

But, yeah, this used to be a thing. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, players would camp the spawn points, kill the spawns, and then turn around and charge you north of 40k for the privilege of becoming a vampire/werewolf. This got changed very early on. I want to say 1.1 or 1.2. Also, there was a lot of server downtime on the first month, which meant that Werewolves were in very short supply. Which also drove the price up.

So, the change was, the spawns would now pop up on random nights (in addition to with the lunar cycle), which eviscerated the campers who were scalping bites, and trashed the bite market. The going rate was still 10-20k, but it dropped off over time.

Now, even today, players who don't know what they're doing will see a pack of bloodfiends or a werewolf and go, "oh, that looks fun to fight," and kill them. There's nothing malicious about it now. The players who tried to corner the market are long gone, but, people do kill the mobs because, they're monsters in a game about killing things and taking their stuff.

So, this happened, but it's ancient history. When it does happen today it's, usually, accidental.

Also, when it happens today, the infecters respawn at a different location in the zone. (At least until dawn.)

D0PAMINE

starkerealm wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

When I was researching vampire, I goggled a bunch of info. It included maps of exactly where to look for the blood fiends, but also noted that it is common for other PCs to go through the area just killing them. I forget why, but that's why most articles recommended getting PC bite and then doing the quest.

Edit: actually, that was Googled... with my goggles I suppose

The googles, they do nothing!

But, yeah, this used to be a thing. Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.

Morgha_Kul

One last update.
So, there I was in Bangkorai. I'd been hanging about near the cemetary (and the nearby Vampire shrine), waiting for nightfall to see if bloodfiends would show up. I went off to the bathroom, and came back a few minutes later. I didn't notice until some time after that someone had actually hit me with the bite.

So, I went to the shrine and did the scroll thing. I'll confirm now that it DOES change, not only the encounter with Vorundil, or whatever his name is, but also the dialogs that follow with the woman he sends you to meet. A bit of a shame, but I wearied of waiting for the game to provide what I needed.

The irony in all of it is that I'd been going through all this so I could continue writing the character's journal. I'd been trying to chronicle his entire existence as if I'd been living it myself (there are other threads I've described this in), and it was up to more than 100 pages. I didn't want to have to fudge the story at all, so I was looking to do the bloodfiends "properly."

But, as luck would have it, the flash drive the tale was saved on has mysteriously stopped working and there seems to be no way to recover any of the material on it (which includes most of my thesis and downloaded articles, as well as three articles I'd been writing myself, several experiments and related spreadsheets and so on).

So, such is life. Or unlife, as the case may be.

starkerealm

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

I'll confirm now that it DOES change, not only the encounter with Vorundil, or whatever his name is, but also the dialogs that follow with the woman he sends you to meet. A bit of a shame, but I wearied of waiting for the game to provide what I needed.

Yeah, I got screenshots of that for you. Both Vorundil and Rahaja's dialog outside the crypt. (She has two lines.) Once you're inside, I'm pretty sure the dialog inside is unchanged.

There's also one other thing. If you're bitten by another player, you get a book called, "The Rite of the Scion," which is unavailable to "naturally infected" vampires. (Though, you can pass the item through your bank to learn it on other characters.) (If I remember correctly, there's another one for player infected werewolves, and they get a similar amount of unique dialog if they're naturally infected.)

From a roleplaying standpoint, there's no correct answer. I'd say the crownstore is incorrect, but I'm not going to try to get into mental contortions to justify a crownstore bite in the context of roleplaying.

If your character was infected by a random overland spawn, that's your story. You were out adventuring, and a vampire infected you. Quest proceeds as normal, immersion unaffected.

If your character was infected by another player, that's your story. You willingly submitted yourself to a vampire in order to become one yourself. Maybe you wanted the power, maybe you were afraid of dying, maybe you just really like wearing black, and think being unnaturally pale is a good look, maybe you wanted to get away from your old life entirely (back in TES2, Vampires would actually lose their old guild status because they'd, you know, died.) Whatever your reason, your character chose this for themselves.

Both of those are equally valid scenarios, and could reflect different approaches to vampirism after the fact. Player bites might work better if they come from within your normal RP group, but, up to you how that works out.