Vampires

Morgha_Kul

So... for about four months now, I've been trying to find the bloodfiends necessary to get vampirism on one of my characters. FOUR MONTHS.

Now, I know I can get a PC bite, but doing so breaks the quest chain. That is, if a bloodfiend does the deed, I am met by a guy that gives me a quest to go become a vampire. If I get a PC bite, he does not do so. This means I'll be missing out on that little bit of content, and for a completist like me, that's torture. So, I wait around for bloodfiends. And I wait. And I wait.

This really annoys me. I have no idea why it's been made so difficult to get vampirism. In Morrowind, you might get the bite from ANY vampire, ANYWHERE. Here, you need to get it from a SPECIFIC bloodfiend in a SPECIFIC place in a SPECIFIC zone at a SPECIFIC time... and then they only spawn once a week? How in blazes am I supposed to know when that will be? It's damn near impossible to get the bite the "normal" way.

They really should change this. Let it come from ANY vampire or bloodfiend, anywhere at any time. Perhaps only a 1% chance for bloodfiends, 3% for vampires. Then add a bonus for the time and day (say, +1% for night time, +1% for new moon). That seems more reasonable to me.

Sanctum74

You still get the quest if you're bitten by a player.

Valldez

aww, it must be sooo hard being you..

Monte_Cristo

You only miss out on the quest if you get the bite from the crown store. Other player's bites work the same as NPC bites.

Vonbone

They really aren't very hard to find if you know when and where to look. If you are playing on PC platform you can get add-ons to help find them. If not, I'm sure you can google maps online of the spawn locations. Bangkorai for DC, The Rift for EP and Reaper's March for AD are the spawn area locations. I usually start looking for spawns after midnight. If I don't find any I check the next night and so on. I think daytime is about 5 hours real time(Might want to google that to make sure) and night is only two hours real time. I've gotten many NPC bites from werewolves and bloodfiends. And the thing about full moon for werewolves and new moon for bloodfiends isn't true. I've found bloodfiend with a full moon and werewolves with a new moon. So just keep looking and you will find one.

ZaroktheImmortal

Never run into the bloodfiends but I ran into a player who had been and wasn't sure how to start the quest as it's different for people who have got it from bloodfiends.

Morgha_Kul

Sanctum74 wrote: »

You still get the quest if you're bitten by a player.

Tried that. Apparently the guy I'm supposed to meet some fellow named Vorundil, who is supposed to meet me at a Wayshrine... but he does not. I waited there several days, and he never made an appearance.

Now, there WAS a scroll or some such on the shrine where the PC bite takes place, but that's not the same thing.

Sanctum74

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

You still get the quest if you're bitten by a player.

Tried that. Apparently the guy I'm supposed to meet some fellow named Vorundil, who is supposed to meet me at a Wayshrine... but he does not. I waited there several days, and he never made an appearance.

Now, there WAS a scroll or some such on the shrine where the PC bite takes place, but that's not the same thing.

If you click on the scroll/shrine it will teleport you to the vampire quest area. Can't remember if it's the same npc, but you still get the quest.

starkerealm

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

You still get the quest if you're bitten by a player.

Tried that. Apparently the guy I'm supposed to meet some fellow named Vorundil, who is supposed to meet me at a Wayshrine... but he does not. I waited there several days, and he never made an appearance.

Now, there WAS a scroll or some such on the shrine where the PC bite takes place, but that's not the same thing.

Vor, only tells you to go to the shrine, you meet a vampire there who tells you to go in the portal. That's it. From there the quest progresses as normal. You're literally talking about missing out on four lines of dialog.

starkerealm

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

You still get the quest if you're bitten by a player.

Tried that. Apparently the guy I'm supposed to meet some fellow named Vorundil, who is supposed to meet me at a Wayshrine... but he does not. I waited there several days, and he never made an appearance.

Now, there WAS a scroll or some such on the shrine where the PC bite takes place, but that's not the same thing.

If you click on the scroll/shrine it will teleport you to the vampire quest area. Can't remember if it's the same npc, but you still get the quest.

The NPC you meet at the shrine is also inside the portal. Vorundil doesn't make another appearance anywhere, but I mean, he doesn't really do anything, anyway.

Morgha_Kul

starkerealm wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

You still get the quest if you're bitten by a player.

Tried that. Apparently the guy I'm supposed to meet some fellow named Vorundil, who is supposed to meet me at a Wayshrine... but he does not. I waited there several days, and he never made an appearance.

Now, there WAS a scroll or some such on the shrine where the PC bite takes place, but that's not the same thing.

Vor, only tells you to go to the shrine, you meet a vampire there who tells you to go in the portal. That's it. From there the quest progresses as normal. You're literally talking about missing out on four lines of dialog.

That may be so, but it still bothers me... and it doesn't change that it's absurdly difficult to get an NPC bite.

starkerealm

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

You still get the quest if you're bitten by a player.

Tried that. Apparently the guy I'm supposed to meet some fellow named Vorundil, who is supposed to meet me at a Wayshrine... but he does not. I waited there several days, and he never made an appearance.

Now, there WAS a scroll or some such on the shrine where the PC bite takes place, but that's not the same thing.

Vor, only tells you to go to the shrine, you meet a vampire there who tells you to go in the portal. That's it. From there the quest progresses as normal. You're literally talking about missing out on four lines of dialog.

That may be so, but it still bothers me... and it doesn't change that it's absurdly difficult to get an NPC bite.

That's kinda the point. I mean, this is primarily a player interaction system. The expectation is that as a "normal player," you'll be infected by another player. The spawns are primarily there to kickstart the system as a whole, not to provide a reliable supply of vampirism.

Since it's so difficult, I went out and got naturally infected, to provide you with the dialog. Here are the lines you missed:

And that's it for Volundil.

rabidmyers

starkerealm wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

You still get the quest if you're bitten by a player.

Tried that. Apparently the guy I'm supposed to meet some fellow named Vorundil, who is supposed to meet me at a Wayshrine... but he does not. I waited there several days, and he never made an appearance.

Now, there WAS a scroll or some such on the shrine where the PC bite takes place, but that's not the same thing.

Vor, only tells you to go to the shrine, you meet a vampire there who tells you to go in the portal. That's it. From there the quest progresses as normal. You're literally talking about missing out on four lines of dialog.

That may be so, but it still bothers me... and it doesn't change that it's absurdly difficult to get an NPC bite.

That's kinda the point. I mean, this is primarily a player interaction system. The expectation is that as a "normal player," you'll be infected by another player. The spawns are primarily there to kickstart the system as a whole, not to provide a reliable supply of vampirism.

Since it's so difficult, I went out and got naturally infected, to provide you with the dialog. Here are the lines you missed:

And that's it for Volundil.

^

starkerealm

One caveat I will cop to: Owning the daedric goat makes finding the infection spawns way easier. Its eyes glow when the infection spawns will be up, so you have some advance warning, to hang around until nightfall, and start searching. I'm not 100% certain it freaks out over werewolves, though. It might only notify you of vampire spawns.

Morgha_Kul

starkerealm wrote: »

Since it's so difficult, I went out and got naturally infected, to provide you with the dialog. Here are the lines you missed:

And that's it for Volundil.

So... My question is, how would you be able to find them so quickly and easily? I've been hanging around in Bangkorai at the spot by the cemetary where they're supposed to spawn (or so the online guides say), and they've never spawned here when I've been here (and that's pretty well every day for four months).

LMar

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Since it's so difficult, I went out and got naturally infected, to provide you with the dialog. Here are the lines you missed:

And that's it for Volundil.

So... My question is, how would you be able to find them so quickly and easily? I've been hanging around in Bangkorai at the spot by the cemetary where they're supposed to spawn (or so the online guides say), and they've never spawned here when I've been here (and that's pretty well every day for four months).

In Bangorai try the Ayleid ruin just north of the waterfall and the bridge on the northern part of the map. On the east part of the river

geonsocal

ugh, I spent weeks and weeks when I first started the game hanging out in bangkorai trying to find a wild werewolf to bite me...

for a while I was even tracking the different phases of the moon...camped guide locations...finally gave up and went to hang out at the shrine...

took a few more days before another player bit me...

ended up turning four more characters into a werewolf, and, a couple in to a vampire...once I figured out the whole asking for a bite in guild and zone chat (plus getting naked and doing the redguard dance on top of the shrine) the time waiting for a bite varied between a few hours and literally one time about 30 seconds...

I didn't even finish getting my clothes off

Morgha_Kul

Ya, there have been several helpful folks who have offered me a bite, but I'm specifically trying to get the "wild" bloodfiends to do it for the sake of the quest encounter with what's his face.

I know it's a small difference, but it's valuable to me.

Also, after four months of this, it's become a matter of principle.

Asha_11_ESO

I essentially did what Vonbone, above, suggested.

If you can, group up with other players at night, in one of the zones they spawn. That way you can cover a few spawn points. A friend and I did it this way in Riften. It took us around 3 or 4 nights of logging on, and roaming between spawn points in Riften, for an hour each time, before we found one to bite us.

radiostar

Some say the moon phase doesn't matter. But on full moons I always find WWs out and on nights without full moons I find Vamps/Bloodfiends out a lot.

IndayBoogie

Unfortunately, its a reverse RNG for me. I try to avoid being bit by vampires or werewolves, last night generally around 10 pm Pacific, I was bit by a bloodfiend in Reaper's March near the Dune's wayshrine. Went for a quick break to get a beer, came back being attacked by bloodfiends, and just like that I was infected.

My magsorc has a vampire bite, and two other stam characters were bit by werewolves in the wild. I cured one of my characters, only to be bit again later.

starkerealm

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Since it's so difficult, I went out and got naturally infected, to provide you with the dialog. Here are the lines you missed:

And that's it for Volundil.

So... My question is, how would you be able to find them so quickly and easily? I've been hanging around in Bangkorai at the spot by the cemetary where they're supposed to spawn (or so the online guides say), and they've never spawned here when I've been here (and that's pretty well every day for four months).

I was in The Rift. And, yeah, the online guides aren't entirely accurate. There are a few spawn points that are slightly misaligned with their actual location. (Also a few I've never seen pop at all.) On a fully maxed horse, it takes about 5 minutes to do a full sweep of Southern half of The Rift's spawn locations. The eastern Reaper's March and Bangkorai sweeps are almost as fast, but when the infection spawns are up, they'll be in all three zones.

One thing is, the day night cycle is roughly 6 hours long. So sweeping every real world day means you're skipping about 3/4s of the potential days. They will come up, at least, once a week.

I also don't actively look for them often. I do keep an eye on my Sanguine Goat when I'm on a character with it active. If the eyes are glowing the infection spawns are up. (I'm not 100% sure if he reacts to werewolves or just vampires, I haven't kept track.) That will indicate that the spawns will come up during the next 6 or so hours.

After that, it's about keeping track of the in game time. Track the position of Masser (the larger moon) against your compass. When it's directly north, the in game time is midnight, and the spawns will appear. Once spawned, they'll remain until "dawn" (though it can actually get pretty bright before the game considers it daytime.)

After that, it's just down to practice. My first natural werewolf was August 23, 2014, so I've done this a few times.

Jeremy

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

So... for about four months now, I've been trying to find the bloodfiends necessary to get vampirism on one of my characters. FOUR MONTHS.

Now, I know I can get a PC bite, but doing so breaks the quest chain. That is, if a bloodfiend does the deed, I am met by a guy that gives me a quest to go become a vampire. If I get a PC bite, he does not do so. This means I'll be missing out on that little bit of content, and for a completist like me, that's torture. So, I wait around for bloodfiends. And I wait. And I wait.

This really annoys me. I have no idea why it's been made so difficult to get vampirism. In Morrowind, you might get the bite from ANY vampire, ANYWHERE. Here, you need to get it from a SPECIFIC bloodfiend in a SPECIFIC place in a SPECIFIC zone at a SPECIFIC time... and then they only spawn once a week? How in blazes am I supposed to know when that will be? It's damn near impossible to get the bite the "normal" way.

They really should change this. Let it come from ANY vampire or bloodfiend, anywhere at any time. Perhaps only a 1% chance for bloodfiends, 3% for vampires. Then add a bonus for the time and day (say, +1% for night time, +1% for new moon). That seems more reasonable to me.

It's not worth it. Just get someone to bite you and spare yourself the torture.

starkerealm

radiostar wrote: »

Some say the moon phase doesn't matter. But on full moons I always find WWs out and on nights without full moons I find Vamps/Bloodfiends out a lot.

Yeah, that's not a myth.

Back at launch, Wolves and Bats would spawn on the lunar phases. This resulted in people camping the spawn points, and selling the bites for obscene amounts. That happened.

One of the early patches shifted it so that they would also spawn on other nights, randomly.

Combine this with a lot of confusion, such as people thinking the infection spawns followed the real world lunar cycle (they don't) or that they followed the real world time (again, it's in game), resulted in people calling this one a myth.

The lunar cycle isn't exact, but it can give you an idea to go take a look, so long as you also keep an eye on the in game time, using the compass and Masser's location to tell time. Again, I've seen people trying to debunk this, but it's always worked for me.

Girl_Number8

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Morgha_Kul wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

You still get the quest if you're bitten by a player.

Tried that. Apparently the guy I'm supposed to meet some fellow named Vorundil, who is supposed to meet me at a Wayshrine... but he does not. I waited there several days, and he never made an appearance.

Now, there WAS a scroll or some such on the shrine where the PC bite takes place, but that's not the same thing.

Vor, only tells you to go to the shrine, you meet a vampire there who tells you to go in the portal. That's it. From there the quest progresses as normal. You're literally talking about missing out on four lines of dialog.

That may be so, but it still bothers me... and it doesn't change that it's absurdly difficult to get an NPC bite.

It was with the hopes me thinks that you would buy it from the mighty crown store.

Just go to the shrine you will be bit before you ask and enjoy your quest. Also, you will look

Good luck. Sorry that it is frustrating you OP.

Wildberryjack

I run into Bloodfiends and the biting WWs all the time on nights will full moons. Get an addon that shows you the possible spawn points and check each one in the three zones where they spawn, you'll find them. When I do encounter them I shout in zone, but that's a double edged sword as about half the time some jerk shows up just to kill them and they don't respawn so, yeah.

starkerealm

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

It was with the hopes me thinks that you would buy it from the mighty crown store.

No.

While, Paul Sage (I think) accidentally mentioned an eventual microtransaction store in an interview in 2013, the store itself wasn't introduced until almost a year after launch. Additionally, the Werewolf and Vampire bites didn't hit the store until December 2015. Over half a year after the Crown Store was added to the game, and more than enough time for the bite market to die down. If that was a conspiracy, it would both be a very long game, and an inept one. If the idea of the crown store being the primary source of bites was real, you wouldn't be able to infect other players, and the spawns would be far rarer than they are. So, I'm not saying you're wrong, but that doesn't make much sense.

Morgha_Kul

So. I've now been online for 96 hours (that's FOUR DAYS straight), standing in one of the spots the bloodfiends are supposed to spawn, and there's been nothing.

It's pretty absurd, and I'm feeling really frustrated.

starkerealm

So, worth noting how random spawns in ESO work. This isn't just vampires and werewolves, by the way. There are X potential spawn locations on the map. There is also a spawn limit, that cannot be exceeded. So, with Bloodfiends there are ~10 spawn locations, but the simultaneous limit is 2 or 3.

So, when you're standing at one specific spawn location, there's no guarantee that the infection spawns will pop up on that location. You need to actually bounce around, and check the zone. Picking one spot and never moving will not get you infected in a reasonable timeframe.

Infections pop up at least once every 168 hours, so it's possible (though, somewhat unlikely) that the bats haven't been up while you're trying to get an infection.

So, yeah, there's problems with your approach.

Morgha_Kul

Ah, ok. So, it's even MORE ridiculously difficult. Not only do you have to be bitten by that specific bloodfiend on that specific day, at that specific time, in that specific zone, and in a specific place... but that place is randomly changed so you can never know WHERE to be.

Morgha_Kul

Well, I give up. After a little over 4 days, I just can't stay awake anymore. I've been to several of the sites the bloodfiends are supposed to spawn at, and they're never there.

It's utterly absurd how difficult they've made it to get bitten by one of them. Sorely, SORELY disappointed now, but I have to sleep.

I expect after 4 sleepless days, I at least LOOK like a vampire now...
:P