Why some players sell their accounts?

Path

Way back...I wish I had sold a few accounts.

Long, long, long time MMO player. Been there done that.

Ohtimbar

People sell things they no longer want for money. Pretty simple. It should be a legal right. The software industry continues to push the narrative that they're somehow special, but it isn't true and never was.

IzzyStardust

Alucardo wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Players should be able to sell accounts, time and effort in = reward out. Don't see the problem with it, supply and demand, simple.

Sure, other than that pesky Terms of Service agreement you agreed to that says specifically you can't do that.

Well... what are they gonna do? Ban you? Shucks. Can’t use that account I don’t have anymore.

You can receive a hefty fine, and potentially 3 to 5 years in prison.

NoMoreChillies

after seeing my ping go from 220 to over 350+, i am thinking of selling mine

ZOS ignores OCE players

Ravena

It's always seemed a bit strange for me how in life we are allowed to sell pretty much any material possession we might not need anymore, yet online gaming devs seem to push the narrative that it's somehow a bad thing.

Is selling an used car something immoral? An old computer? Why is a game account any different?

Ackwalan

Ravena wrote: »

It's always seemed a bit strange for me how in life we are allowed to sell pretty much any material possession we might not need anymore, yet online gaming devs seem to push the narrative that it's somehow a bad thing.

Is selling an used car something immoral? An old computer? Why is a game account any different?

Because in a game like ESO, you don't own your account, you rent it. Try selling an apartment you rent and see what happens. You may feel it is not right, but the TOS you agree to makes your ESO account legally belong to ZOS.

Edit, here is the line in the TOS about who owns your account.

"By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account."

Minyassa

For every idiot that decides to do something illegal there's an equal and opposite idiot to fund them doing it. Simply put people sell accounts because they already have a criminal mindset and someone else with a criminal mindset is encouraging them by giving them money for it.

TL;DR humans are trash

Ravena

Ackwalan wrote: »

Ravena wrote: »

It's always seemed a bit strange for me how in life we are allowed to sell pretty much any material possession we might not need anymore, yet online gaming devs seem to push the narrative that it's somehow a bad thing.

Is selling an used car something immoral? An old computer? Why is a game account any different?

Because in a game like ESO, you don't own your account, you rent it. Try selling an apartment you rent and see what happens. You may feel it is not right, but the TOS you agree to makes your ESO account legally belong to ZOS.

Good for them they can pull that off, I guess.

max_only

Ravena wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Ravena wrote: »

It's always seemed a bit strange for me how in life we are allowed to sell pretty much any material possession we might not need anymore, yet online gaming devs seem to push the narrative that it's somehow a bad thing.

Is selling an used car something immoral? An old computer? Why is a game account any different?

Because in a game like ESO, you don't own your account, you rent it. Try selling an apartment you rent and see what happens. You may feel it is not right, but the TOS you agree to makes your ESO account legally belong to ZOS.

Good for them they can pull that off, I guess.

You don’t own anything on Facebook, Deviant Art, or Apple Music either. Service providers, content creators, content platforms etc are a huge legal deal right now.

For eso you are using a service and you own nothing. You’re paying for tickets for accessing the fair ground to the carnival. Some of us buy a season pass to the carnival. Even the giant pink bear you won at the ring toss still belongs to the carnival owner, yes even if you paid extra money to participate in the ring toss game.

geonsocal

Ackwalan wrote: »

"By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account."

well now that's a bit of a downer isn't it...

MaxJrFTW

To make money...derp

Ohtimbar

Minyassa wrote: »

For every idiot that decides to do something illegal there's an equal and opposite idiot to fund them doing it. Simply put people sell accounts because they already have a criminal mindset and someone else with a criminal mindset is encouraging them by giving them money for it.

TL;DR humans are trash

Haha, criminal? Trash? For violating a software TOS? That's purely a civil matter, not criminal. It's also completely ethical in my view.

Browiseth

some people are just done with the game and want to get at least some of their money back

crazy concept, i know

Jameliel

For $$. Simple.

Jurand80

Dragonnord wrote: »

From time to time I hear or read in chat or Discord: "He/she sold his/her account".

Why people do that? Why?

I'm pissed off! Because I helped this guy so many times to get this and that, to now find out he sold his account.
 

i could ask you the same question. cp1200?! why are you wasting your life away? by now you could have learned 3 languages and how to play on 2 instruments. seeing ppl who waste their life away pisses me off because mom and dad helped you out so many times and you are throwing that away.

how's that?

Beardimus

Dragonnord wrote: »

From time to time I hear or read in chat or Discord: "He/she sold his/her account".

Why people do that? Why?

Why spending years in the game, why spending real $ in stuff, why spending so much time and effort creating and leveling up chars, farming a lot of gear, getting this title, that skin, those achievements to then get rid of it just like that?

I'm not even going to the fact of being legal or not selling accounts, I'm going straight to the point of "Hey! I wan't that Emperor title so bad", "That skin!!!", "Yeeesss!!! I finally got Master Angler!", "Woot! I got BSW staff after like a month farming it", and then, few months later, the account is gone.

I'm pissed off! Because I helped this guy so many times to get this and that, to now find out he sold his account.
 

If you are quitting the game surely its the logical thing to do. You mention his effort spent etc but that times gone, and what's worse him profit or it sit collecting dust / deleted? As sounds like his decision is final regardless

I'll caveat i don't condone breaking the ToS etc and its wrong

The bigger question for me is WHY anyone would buy it. That's the odder question. Why buy an account and the game is over. (i mean i know why, the oddly impatient and entitled path gamers take like buying Emp or farming PvP achievements instead of earning them) but i think it's the bigger issue than your surprise someone wants to close a book on something

Sometimes people act rash to get past a bad habit or addiction. Gets it done. Etc.

olsborg

With the performance of the game of late (pvp) I too have been daydreaming about selling off my acct and quitting eso for good. Who knows..

Zhoyzu

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Players should be able to sell accounts, time and effort in = reward out. Don't see the problem with it, supply and demand, simple.

Sure, other than that pesky Terms of Service agreement you agreed to that says specifically you can't do that.

no where does it say you cannot, it just says that if this is violated, there will be consequences. its the same with other illicit substances that are illegal. the demand is high enough that there is a supply even while violating federal "ToS"

The real problem is with the people who buy them, rather than those that sell.

labambao

Some people get dissapointed in where this game move.
Mmorpg is a hobby, so they start play something other.
And its a good way to get some money from old game, that you will not play anymore, to donate for your new game.
But its ofc prohibited by terms and user agreement, so ppl must think twice about buying account, that can be blocked if someone reporting it.

idk

Some have gotten frustrated with the game for starters so they sold the account. Some of them later regretted it.

It is a rather final move since it takes awhile to build characters up again to where you were. Many people have a lot of sets and lets not forget how much time it takes in vMA to get your fill of vMA weapons. At least we can change their trait.

Turelus

Anrose wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Players should be able to sell accounts, time and effort in = reward out. Don't see the problem with it, supply and demand, simple.

Sure, other than that pesky Terms of Service agreement you agreed to that says specifically you can't do that.

Well... what are they gonna do? Ban you? Shucks. Can’t use that account I don’t have anymore.

The buyer is the one who get screwed, or you lose and account and make no money.

Either way it's a loss for someone in some form.

Turelus

geonsocal wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

"By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account."

well now that's a bit of a downer isn't it...

Welcome to how EVE Online got screwed when they realised that technically they owned all alliance logos that players had custom made themselves. So... who got to sell the merchandise for them?
I believe in the end the solution they made was to have the in game versions that CCP owned have a small extra detail so players retained their rights to images they created.

idk

Turelus wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Players should be able to sell accounts, time and effort in = reward out. Don't see the problem with it, supply and demand, simple.

Sure, other than that pesky Terms of Service agreement you agreed to that says specifically you can't do that.

Well... what are they gonna do? Ban you? Shucks. Can’t use that account I don’t have anymore.

The buyer is the one who get screwed, or you lose and account and make no money.

Either way it's a loss for someone in some form.

It would be interesting to know if some that bought an account actually got banned. Of course Zos would not inform us about specific accounts but I have seen games announce banning accounts for this action to reduce it's occurrence.

Turelus

idk wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Players should be able to sell accounts, time and effort in = reward out. Don't see the problem with it, supply and demand, simple.

Sure, other than that pesky Terms of Service agreement you agreed to that says specifically you can't do that.

Well... what are they gonna do? Ban you? Shucks. Can’t use that account I don’t have anymore.

The buyer is the one who get screwed, or you lose and account and make no money.

Either way it's a loss for someone in some form.

It would be interesting to know if some that bought an account actually got banned. Of course Zos would not inform us about specific accounts but I have seen games announce banning accounts for this action to reduce it's occurrence.

Some of the CA have actively linked ZOS accounts being sold on social media or auction sites, so if anyone purchased those it's a good chance they got banned after buying an account.

This is another reason I really disagree with ZOS' stance on saying nothing about how they handle game security. With CCP they actively told you why not to RMT and the dangers, by showing evidence of how many bans they've done or how much ISK (Gold) they've caught being sold etc.
It was as much a positive showing they work on it (which makes people happy) as it was a stern warning of what happens if you take part in it.

idk

Turelus wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Players should be able to sell accounts, time and effort in = reward out. Don't see the problem with it, supply and demand, simple.

Sure, other than that pesky Terms of Service agreement you agreed to that says specifically you can't do that.

Well... what are they gonna do? Ban you? Shucks. Can’t use that account I don’t have anymore.

The buyer is the one who get screwed, or you lose and account and make no money.

Either way it's a loss for someone in some form.

It would be interesting to know if some that bought an account actually got banned. Of course Zos would not inform us about specific accounts but I have seen games announce banning accounts for this action to reduce it's occurrence.

Some of the CA have actively linked ZOS accounts being sold on social media or auction sites, so if anyone purchased those it's a good chance they got banned after buying an account.

This is another reason I really disagree with ZOS' stance on saying nothing about how they handle game security. With CCP they actively told you why not to RMT and the dangers, by showing evidence of how many bans they've done or how much ISK (Gold) they've caught being sold etc.
It was as much a positive showing they work on it (which makes people happy) as it was a stern warning of what happens if you take part in it.

It would be a good policy if they wanted some preventative measures. I have seen gold selling run amok in other games as though the devs no longer cares. It creates real issues with inflation and such.

ATomiX96

Alucardo wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

Players should be able to sell accounts, time and effort in = reward out. Don't see the problem with it, supply and demand, simple.

Sure, other than that pesky Terms of Service agreement you agreed to that says specifically you can't do that.

Well... what are they gonna do? Ban you? Shucks. Can’t use that account I don’t have anymore.

You can receive a hefty fine, and potentially 3 to 5 years in prison.

RouDeR

You actually don`t sell your account, you only sell the credentials, the account belongs to ZOS, it is in their database, they can do whatever they want with it, you only sell the login info.

And once fully "sold" the account cannot be reclaimed in any way, by fully sold i mean changing the E-mail address to the buyers E-mail and also once he changes the security question and answer as well it is impossible to perform a scam.
A lot of my PS4 firends bought accounts on PC, because they did not wanna grind to max CP all over again so i know from personal experience what it is the situation.

On the bad side, things like total noobs might buy max CP accounts and only light attack the content they meet, so there is that...

zvavi

what if the person selling have decided that eso is interfering with his irl and decides to wrap it up in a way he wont be able to come back?

starkerealm

max_only wrote: »

Ravena wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Ravena wrote: »

It's always seemed a bit strange for me how in life we are allowed to sell pretty much any material possession we might not need anymore, yet online gaming devs seem to push the narrative that it's somehow a bad thing.

Is selling an used car something immoral? An old computer? Why is a game account any different?

Because in a game like ESO, you don't own your account, you rent it. Try selling an apartment you rent and see what happens. You may feel it is not right, but the TOS you agree to makes your ESO account legally belong to ZOS.

Good for them they can pull that off, I guess.

You don’t own anything on Facebook, Deviant Art, or Apple Music either. Service providers, content creators, content platforms etc are a huge legal deal right now.

For eso you are using a service and you own nothing. You’re paying for tickets for accessing the fair ground to the carnival. Some of us buy a season pass to the carnival. Even the giant pink bear you won at the ring toss still belongs to the carnival owner, yes even if you paid extra money to participate in the ring toss game.

Bad example: Deviant Art does not claim the copyrights for posted content. So, you still own the rights to your work. Though, you're exercising your first publish rights (which only matters if you're a writer), so you can't sell that, but you still own your creations.

Apple's Store is a similar situation. You're not giving up your copyrights, and if Apple tried to do that, they'd have no professional content to work with.

When it comes to Facebook, they claim the rights, but that's not quite legal. This is going to end up in the courts eventually, though I'm not aware of a case where it has, off hand (mostly because I really don't care about Facebook.)

So, in all three of those cases, people are producing creative content. In the case of ESO... not so much. People are creating content based on ESO (on Twitch, on YouTube, even on Deviant Art), but the game itself is not a creative exercise (even if the player in the game is being "creative" on their own.)

You're not making ESO. At best, you're performing a rendition of ESO. Where as, if you're posting to Deviant Art, you're actually creating the artistic work yourself, and may hold the copyrights to that work.

Turelus

RouDeR wrote: »

You actually don`t sell your account, you only sell the credentials, the account belongs to ZOS, it is in their database, they can do whatever they want with it, you only sell the login info.

And once fully "sold" the account cannot be reclaimed in any way, by fully sold i mean changing the E-mail address to the buyers E-mail and also once he changes the security question and answer as well it is impossible to perform a scam.
A lot of my PS4 firends bought accounts on PC, because they did not wanna grind to max CP all over again so i know from personal experience what it is the situation.

On the bad side, things like total noobs might buy max CP accounts and only light attack the content they meet, so there is that...

That bold part is incorrect. Even after this the original owner will be able to prove they created the account as they have all the personal information and payment information.

At this point they can just claim the account was hacked, give over the information and get the account back.

BUYING ACCOUNTS IS NOT SAFE. This can't be stated enough.