List of broken motifs, costumes and polymorphs - A cry for help to fix the true endgame of ESO

Kr3do

Everybody knows fashion is true endgame meaning that all of these bugs completely break the game. So i decided to make a list of all the broken fashion related stuff hoping that ZOS will maybe fix it then.
If there's anything missing just reply with a screenshot of it to the thread and i'll add it to the post.
Pls fix asap @ZOS_GinaBruno

Akaviri hats dont dye properly on Argonian and Khajiit characters

Abahs Watch hats are deformed depending on the head shape of your Argonian and the head clips through them

Heavy Militant Ordinator Gauntlets are missing a third dying region (The brown area)

The Molag Kena shoulder is flying above the shoulder instead of sitting on it (I made a thread about this 3 years ago when they first broke it)

All Xivkyn shoulders on female characters have the size of the male character model (Including the polymorphs)

Light Mercenary shoulders on female characters have the size of the male character model

Light Ra Gada legs show a bit of the texture of the skin you're using

Various hats (most notably Werewolf Hunter Hat and Winter Corsage Broadbrim) cause grotesque deformation of female character's skull.

The belt of Jarl's Justice costume clips into the skirt depending on the body of your character

The FX when using poisons on a Horned Dragon staff are messed up

MyNameIsElias

Please fix Zenimax

HappyLittleTree

Yeah they need to fix some stuff for argonians and khajiit, sometimes i feel like they don't even really care about their beast races.

WeerW3ir

Kr3do wrote: »

Everybody knows fashion is true endgame meaning that all of these bugs completely break the game. So i decided to make a list of all the broken fashion related stuff hoping that ZOS will maybe fix it then.
If there's anything missing just reply with a screenshot of it to the thread and i'll add it to the post.
Pls fix asap @ZOS_GinaBruno

Akaviri hats dont dye properly on Argonian and Khajiit characters

Abahs Watch hats are a bit deformed on female Argonians and their head clips through them

Heavy Militant Ordinator Gauntlets are missing a third dying region (The brown area)

The Molag Kena shoulder is flying above the shoulder instead of sitting on it (I made a thread about this 3 years ago when they first broke it)

All Xivkyn shoulders on female characters have the size of the male character model (Including the polymorphs)

Not every item have all 3 paint slot. And the Kena shoulders are allways messed up. not just on lizards. and sstrange because abahs watch is not clipped trough my head and i used it for long on my female lizard. Its all about how wide you set the cheeks and the jaw. if not have a 'ball head' then it should be fine xD

Kr3do

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Kr3do wrote: »

Everybody knows fashion is true endgame meaning that all of these bugs completely break the game. So i decided to make a list of all the broken fashion related stuff hoping that ZOS will maybe fix it then.
If there's anything missing just reply with a screenshot of it to the thread and i'll add it to the post.
Pls fix asap @ZOS_GinaBruno

Akaviri hats dont dye properly on Argonian and Khajiit characters

Abahs Watch hats are a bit deformed on female Argonians and their head clips through them

Heavy Militant Ordinator Gauntlets are missing a third dying region (The brown area)

The Molag Kena shoulder is flying above the shoulder instead of sitting on it (I made a thread about this 3 years ago when they first broke it)

All Xivkyn shoulders on female characters have the size of the male character model (Including the polymorphs)

Not every item have all 3 paint slot. And the Kena shoulders are allways messed up. not just on lizards. and sstrange because abahs watch is not clipped trough my head and i used it for long on my female lizard. Its all about how wide you set the cheeks and the jaw. if not have a 'ball head' then it should be fine xD

All the other motifs that don't have 3 paint slots don't need them though because you can completely dye them with the 1 or 2 slots you have. I didn't say that Molag Kena is only a problem for Argonians, i just didn't bother to take screenshots on other races because all of them have the same problem. Also fixed the Abahs Watch part, it always worked fine on my male argonians so i just assumed it was related to that.

WeerW3ir

Kr3do wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Kr3do wrote: »

Everybody knows fashion is true endgame meaning that all of these bugs completely break the game. So i decided to make a list of all the broken fashion related stuff hoping that ZOS will maybe fix it then.
If there's anything missing just reply with a screenshot of it to the thread and i'll add it to the post.
Pls fix asap @ZOS_GinaBruno

Akaviri hats dont dye properly on Argonian and Khajiit characters

Abahs Watch hats are a bit deformed on female Argonians and their head clips through them

Heavy Militant Ordinator Gauntlets are missing a third dying region (The brown area)

The Molag Kena shoulder is flying above the shoulder instead of sitting on it (I made a thread about this 3 years ago when they first broke it)

All Xivkyn shoulders on female characters have the size of the male character model (Including the polymorphs)

Not every item have all 3 paint slot. And the Kena shoulders are allways messed up. not just on lizards. and sstrange because abahs watch is not clipped trough my head and i used it for long on my female lizard. Its all about how wide you set the cheeks and the jaw. if not have a 'ball head' then it should be fine xD

All the other motifs that don't have 3 paint slots don't need them though because you can completely dye them with the 1 or 2 slots you have. Also i didn't say that Molag Kena is only a problem for Argonians, i just didn't bother to take screenshots on other races because all of them have the same problem. Also fixed the Abahs Watch part, it always worked fine on my male argonians so i just assumed it was related to that.

you have every motif to say that out? :P

Kr3do

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Kr3do wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Kr3do wrote: »

Everybody knows fashion is true endgame meaning that all of these bugs completely break the game. So i decided to make a list of all the broken fashion related stuff hoping that ZOS will maybe fix it then.
If there's anything missing just reply with a screenshot of it to the thread and i'll add it to the post.
Pls fix asap @ZOS_GinaBruno

Akaviri hats dont dye properly on Argonian and Khajiit characters

Abahs Watch hats are a bit deformed on female Argonians and their head clips through them

Heavy Militant Ordinator Gauntlets are missing a third dying region (The brown area)

The Molag Kena shoulder is flying above the shoulder instead of sitting on it (I made a thread about this 3 years ago when they first broke it)

All Xivkyn shoulders on female characters have the size of the male character model (Including the polymorphs)

Not every item have all 3 paint slot. And the Kena shoulders are allways messed up. not just on lizards. and sstrange because abahs watch is not clipped trough my head and i used it for long on my female lizard. Its all about how wide you set the cheeks and the jaw. if not have a 'ball head' then it should be fine xD

All the other motifs that don't have 3 paint slots don't need them though because you can completely dye them with the 1 or 2 slots you have. Also i didn't say that Molag Kena is only a problem for Argonians, i just didn't bother to take screenshots on other races because all of them have the same problem. Also fixed the Abahs Watch part, it always worked fine on my male argonians so i just assumed it was related to that.

you have every motif to say that out? :P

I have the majority, and i can just preview the missing ones anyway. I'm aware that motifs like Dead Water, Frostcaster, Hollow Jack etc have undyeable areas but they still have enough slots to dye the major parts. The problem with the Militant Ordinator gauntlets is that there's a big undyeable region and 2 slots while the light and medium gloves of the same style have 3 slots and are completely dyeable. It's just inconsistent to the rest of the motif so im assuming its not intended.

WeerW3ir

Kr3do wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Kr3do wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

Kr3do wrote: »

Everybody knows fashion is true endgame meaning that all of these bugs completely break the game. So i decided to make a list of all the broken fashion related stuff hoping that ZOS will maybe fix it then.
If there's anything missing just reply with a screenshot of it to the thread and i'll add it to the post.
Pls fix asap @ZOS_GinaBruno

Akaviri hats dont dye properly on Argonian and Khajiit characters

Abahs Watch hats are a bit deformed on female Argonians and their head clips through them

Heavy Militant Ordinator Gauntlets are missing a third dying region (The brown area)

The Molag Kena shoulder is flying above the shoulder instead of sitting on it (I made a thread about this 3 years ago when they first broke it)

All Xivkyn shoulders on female characters have the size of the male character model (Including the polymorphs)

Not every item have all 3 paint slot. And the Kena shoulders are allways messed up. not just on lizards. and sstrange because abahs watch is not clipped trough my head and i used it for long on my female lizard. Its all about how wide you set the cheeks and the jaw. if not have a 'ball head' then it should be fine xD

All the other motifs that don't have 3 paint slots don't need them though because you can completely dye them with the 1 or 2 slots you have. Also i didn't say that Molag Kena is only a problem for Argonians, i just didn't bother to take screenshots on other races because all of them have the same problem. Also fixed the Abahs Watch part, it always worked fine on my male argonians so i just assumed it was related to that.

you have every motif to say that out? :P

I have the majority, and i can just preview the missing ones anyway. I'm aware that motifs like Dead Water, Frostcaster, Hollow Jack etc have undyeable areas but they still have enough slots to dye the major parts. The problem with the Militant Ordinator gauntlets is that there's a big undyeable region and 2 slots while the light and medium gloves of the same style have 3 slots and are completely dyeable. It's just inconsistent to the rest of the motif so im assuming its not intended.

there is no such thing at bethesda which is not intended. everything is a feature

Hekaterin

Please fix this!

Amphithoe

No excuse fix your skjit ZOS

Everstorm

Add pretty much every shield clipping through shoulders and/or head. Especially when running or on mount.
I can't imagine they actually check for this stuff when making new motifs.

feyii

Mercenary medium shoulders also use the male model on female characters and thus are far too big and float more or less next to the shoulder instead of on it.

AlienSlof

Smaller shoulders all round, really, or let us hide them.

This is not a Korean MMO, after all.

iAmLoki97

And weapons clipping through armor. This really annoys me a there is some armor I would wear but the clipping is just awful

r34lian

The thing that really amuses me is lizards and cats wearing 2 peice

Kr3do

feyii wrote: »

Mercenary medium shoulders also use the male model on female characters and thus are far too big and float more or less next to the shoulder instead of on it.

Added light shoulders to the list, medium ones look normal to me.

eklhaftb16_ESO

Oh. The Cruddy Cosmetics Compendium! Just what we needed.

Various hats (most notably Werewolf Hunter Hat and Winter Corsage Broadbrim) cause grotesque deformation of female character's skull.

The belt of Jarl's Justice costume clips into the skirt when worn by character with thicker legs / bigger bottom.

myskyrim26

Kr3do wrote: »

The belt of Jarl's Justice costume clips into the skirt when worn by character with thicker legs / bigger bottom.

Let me add please: the belt is clipping not only with thicker legs / bigger bottom. I created a very slim Nord girl, all her sliders are minimized and body type is the slimmest possible. Yet the belt is clipping

Deep_01

The enchant and poison FX on some staves, esp. the Horned Dragon staff is bad (when unsheathed, the enchantment or poison visual effect is horizontal from the tip of the staff, instead of being along the length of the staff). Been waiting for a fix since it was launched.

Kr3do

Deep_01 wrote: »

The enchant and poison FX on some staves, esp. the Horned Dragon staff is bad (when unsheathed, the enchantment or poison visual effect is horizontal from the tip of the staff, instead of being along the length of the staff). Been waiting for a fix since it was launched.

Sadly don't have that style so i cant add a screenshot.

Ratzkifal

May I add that the Ashlander Mabrigash Hunt Clothes have a floating belt on females (perhaps males too).

Mettaricana

Fix light and medium skinvhanger shoulders they clip into everything..

Give scale caller light the same dye effects as medium or heavy can't do squat when everything dyes gray or pink

Orc heavy needs a rework for the flaps they look like someone got halfway done said f*** it and stuck paper flaps on it and called it done

Ancientorc chest heavy go vack and redo it to be 3d and not painted

Acrolas

Some of these aren't wrong to begin with and others would classify as low priority art issues. Some are scaling issues that can't be uniformly addressed.
So if the purpose of this thread was to get a quick fix - or a fix at all - that's not the direction it's going to head.

On the development side, we have a strict policy to never change art assets once they have been in the live game, except – and this is important – if they are obviously “wrong”. Think bad animations, shoulder pads clipping through armor, weapons hanging too far off a character model’s hip – that kind of thing. This “no change” policy has been in effect since the Redguard Female Armor Debacle of 2015. This was where we updated the visuals of one type of Redguard Female armor and pushed it live without thinking of the consequences of players who liked the way it looked and had been using it for over a year. This caused a lot of – very much merited – criticism from players that liked the older style much better. That’s when we started our “no change” policy. Even if we think an asset needs to updated because it doesn’t fit ESO’s established art style or the artist responsible thinks they could have done better, we no longer change live assets because players are used to the way the game and their characters look, and that is more important than what WE think.

Funny story about this – and I’m sure you are all seeing where this is going – we have a backlog of art bugs and issues that we address over time. If these are flagged as low priority, it can take a long time to get to them.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5430473#Comment_5430473

Kr3do

Acrolas wrote: »

Some of these aren't wrong to begin with and others would classify as low priority art issues. Some are scaling issues that can't be uniformly addressed.
So if the purpose of this thread was to get a quick fix - or a fix at all - that's not the direction it's going to head.

On the development side, we have a strict policy to never change art assets once they have been in the live game, except – and this is important – if they are obviously “wrong”. Think bad animations, shoulder pads clipping through armor, weapons hanging too far off a character model’s hip – that kind of thing. This “no change” policy has been in effect since the Redguard Female Armor Debacle of 2015. This was where we updated the visuals of one type of Redguard Female armor and pushed it live without thinking of the consequences of players who liked the way it looked and had been using it for over a year. This caused a lot of – very much merited – criticism from players that liked the older style much better. That’s when we started our “no change” policy. Even if we think an asset needs to updated because it doesn’t fit ESO’s established art style or the artist responsible thinks they could have done better, we no longer change live assets because players are used to the way the game and their characters look, and that is more important than what WE think.

Funny story about this – and I’m sure you are all seeing where this is going – we have a backlog of art bugs and issues that we address over time. If these are flagged as low priority, it can take a long time to get to them.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5430473#Comment_5430473

"On the development side, we have a strict policy to never change art assets once they have been in the live game, except – and this is important – if they are obviously “wrong”."
Majority of the stuff listed above actually has been changed after it has been in the live game, that's the main reason why i even made this thread.

eklhaftb16_ESO

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Let me add please: the belt is clipping not only with thicker legs / bigger bottom. I created a very slim Nord girl, all her sliders are minimized and body type is the slimmest possible. Yet the belt is clipping

You are right! I just checked, the likely culprit is the Gut slider. The bigger tummy you have, the farther your belt is from your skirt, and the less clipping happens.
Putting all three sliders to average still has a very minor clipping on one of the coin (at least on my Nord), but it is probably better than most other options.

Cephusiss

Fang Lair boots clip on fang lair pants.

Eiagra

Warden Costume still has boots that are too tiny. So do a lot of other costumes and motifs, but this one was a purchased incentive that, at the time, I didn't get to preview to discover its flaw.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/347976/cosmetic-costumes-with-tiny-boots-including-austere-warden-costume-on-male-orc-characters

Shawn_PT

Elven Hero Costume still clips through most of my male characters' foreheads on two points.

ArchMikem

Mazzatun Medium Chest has a medallion thing that scales with your boob size.

Ravena

...I like the huge shoulder pads tho

linoge63

Am I the only one that thinks that the argonians and kayjeets look great without them wearing human garments. Offer the option for us cats and reptiles to be cats and reptiles (with the armor stats of course) without looking like muffin the poodle