Seperate premades from randoms in BGs

Karmanorway

Its so annoying to get melted 10 times in a row because u go BGs in random group.

Premades have the advantage of communicating over teamspeak/discord, and they use sets + abilities that synergizes perfectly with each other, randoms dont stand a chance during that 3 min fights.

Oh and if u go chase 1 guy all he have to do is shout to his teammates and before u know it u are dead, again and again making it nearly impossible to get a kill

I dont think its fair that premades should get ap that easily, or that casual PvPers should get their self confidence stomped to the ground every match.

The solution is simple, make seperate queues, 1 queue that requires u to be a group of 4 to enter, and the normal one we have today except u cant que as a group at all. What do u think?

Noctus

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

problem is there is not enough damage to kill a full min/max tank/heal group they can just go around and farm people. i know that experience from both sides

ruikkarikun

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

But this was mentioned so many times.

Jeremy

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Noctus wrote: »

problem is there is not enough damage to kill a full min/max tank/heal group they can just go around and farm people. i know that experience from both sides

I have never seen this in all my time doing battlegrounds.

Anytime there is one side dominating the other it is almost always due to coordinated burst and CC. I've never seen these invincible tanks and healers I keep hearing people talk about. So I suspect this is just a myth being spread by DDs who want defense and healing to be nerfed even further so they can slaughter people more easily.

jcm2606

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Noctus wrote: »

problem is there is not enough damage to kill a full min/max tank/heal group they can just go around and farm people. i know that experience from both sides

I'm with @Jeremy. Never had this exact experience before.

Tanky DPS, that can take a few punches and deliver a few punches of their own? Sure.

Pure tanks that can keep everybody's undivided attention while chain CC'ing them? Yep.

Healers that take a good amount of effort to kill, while simultaneously keeping their group at more or less full health? Absolutely.

Pure tanks/healers that can facetank 4+ people, then turn around and slaughter them all? Can't say I've seen that.

BRODY

No keep it the way it is (why?)

How you get BG reyting from people, who play in group, after solo, group, solo? And who play always solo, always group, if you seporate solo and groups game. I think its no possible.

And in 2019 to find 4ppl stacks and have voice not difficult, cose someone do this and someone is whining.

Lord_Eomer

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Pre-made groups are ruining BG experience, random pugs can not be par with them.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler its time for a change.

Girl_Number8

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

I meant 'other'

Noctus wrote: »

problem is there is not enough damage to kill a full min/max tank/heal group they can just go around and farm people. i know that experience from both sides

It is your lack of skill and inability to burst a players down, simple. You keep crying about this post after post L2p and stop asking for nerfs to make up for your short comings. Smh.

They should separate pre-mades but I feel since it does take more effort to have a good pre-made group, that bgs should offer a new incentive for the top scoring groups. It would be interesting if rather then one match for premades they had a mini tournament that ended every week. Allowing for randoms to have fun and premades something exciting with a better rewards option for participating. Doubt it would happen but an unique option.

russelmmendoza

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Yes keep the premade away from solo queue.

kypranb14_ESO

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Separating premades from solo queue would be a great start. However i also feel for those premades who would have to wait much longer in the queue. To solve this for them, I'd say allow the queue system to queue them in 3v3 or 4v4 without a third team to save them time.

Probably would need extra technical work, but it would essentially solve the problem for everyone.

Dragneel1207

Other

I suggest improve communication UI in BGs like we see many fps games.
A simple keybind for -
1. go for flags
2. follow me
3. defend here
4. kill
5. focus on attack and so on..

and another thing that displays u r allies sets to u so that u can sync with them.

(btw not supporting premade groups)

Beardimus

No keep it the way it is (why?)

Half the pre mades you think are pre mades aren't, they just good BG players who know how to roll.

If you get stomped, build a team, fight fire with fire.

Patch notes have introduced a bigger step into MMR this patch to put premades with premades more. Can onLy go so far tho and still get fast queue pop.

I say use another motivation. Have a pre-made ranking leader board. With prizes, names teams. That way the guys really on it will go there as good players don't enjoy pug stomping as it is. Win win.

R1ckyDaMan

Other

Would I be right in assuming most pre mades are guild groups?

Why not make Guild vs Guild battlegrounds, have guild rankings etc, this free's up actual battlegrounds for everyone else.

central_scrutinizer

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

I would prefer to only fight premades

UntrustedExistenz

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

From path 4.3.5
"Battlegrounds

Made adjustments to the match-making system for Battlegrounds, putting further emphasis on making pre-made groups face other pre-made groups."

Just leave this here

commdt

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

This is the most unanimous poll I have ever seen. Please, @ZOS_GinaBruno, pay attention to this one

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

this should had been from day one yet zos doesnt care which killed my hype for bgs since im a solo player mostly...

Kidgangster101

No keep it the way it is (why?)

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Yes keep the premade away from solo queue.

How about you keep your solo play out of "group content?" Lol people that play with others have every right to play the same content as you do. Why should they be punished with longer que times because you don't want to form a pre made group of your own through shout? See it works both ways so the only logical solution is to leave it alone the way it is.

Weesacs

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

We have been asking for this for over a year now and the polls are pretty conclusive however they have higher priorities like ... making money from the crown store etc. Here is a poll from the "Battlegrounds and Dueling" section of the forums ... and not one comment from any representative: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/400077/premade-groups-are-ruining-battlegrounds/p1
To be quite frank its a disgrace there have been no comments from anyone.

illusiouk

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

UntrustedExistenz wrote: »

From path 4.3.5
"Battlegrounds

Made adjustments to the match-making system for Battlegrounds, putting further emphasis on making pre-made groups face other pre-made groups."

When I seen that comment it reminded me of the one below, This comment below was from Trion (RIFT) in 2011

"Furthermore, we're also looking at improving match-making between pre-made groups so that, whenever possible, a pre-made will face a pre-made and have less mixing with random pick up groups."

Premades v Randoms has always been a issue in mmo's. I bet you can go further back to older mmo's and see it has always been a issue.

Its just another instance of lazy programming by ZOS. This issue should have been eradicated when they were building the Battlegrounds.

Weesacs

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Beardimus wrote: »

Half the pre mades you think are pre mades aren't, they just good BG players who know how to roll.

Yeah your right ... the matchmaking system is so awesome that it puts the same 4 players in the same teams game after game . Strange ... but that never happens to me.

logarifmik

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

It works very well in DotA 2, for example, and I don't see why it'll not work with the ESO Battlegrounds. Must be a thing.

Schokolade

No keep it the way it is (why?)

Karmanorway wrote: »

Its so annoying to get melted 10 times in a row because u go BGs in random group.

Premades have the advantage of communicating over teamspeak/discord, and they use sets + abilities that synergizes perfectly with each other, randoms dont stand a chance during that 3 min fights.

Oh and if u go chase 1 guy all he have to do is shout to his teammates and before u know it u are dead, again and again making it nearly impossible to get a kill

I dont think its fair that premades should get ap that easily, or that casual PvPers should get their self confidence stomped to the ground every match.

The solution is simple, make seperate queues, 1 queue that requires u to be a group of 4 to enter, and the normal one we have today except u cant que as a group at all. What do u think?

Why? All games (MMO) are the same, if you have friends and comunication then you have an advantage.
NOBODY is stopping you from doing that.

I play with my Gf, a sort of pre made of 2, never of 3 or 4, so I understand the situation.

Beardimus wrote: »

Half the pre mades you think are pre mades aren't, they just good BG players who know how to roll.

If you get stomped, build a team, fight fire with fire.

Patch notes have introduced a bigger step into MMR this patch to put premades with premades more. Can onLy go so far tho and still get fast queue pop.

I say use another motivation. Have a pre-made ranking leader board. With prizes, names teams. That way the guys really on it will go there as good players don't enjoy pug stomping as it is. Win win.

THIS.

Mayrael

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

I was telling this since the BGs were introduced. I had playing many MMOs with BGs like matches in the past, fighting premades as a PUG group is pointless, it works 1 on 50 times. The only people who like current state are premades who are not looking for challenge but ez wins.

Iphin

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

Occasionally I get into a random and we roll over the other teams. I wonder if they think we are premade? That being said, I do believe that BG could be better in many ways. So yes, a separate queue for premades may be beneficial overall - just MHO.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Other

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Yes keep the premade away from solo queue.

How about you keep your solo play out of "group content?" Lol people that play with others have every right to play the same content as you do. Why should they be punished with longer que times because you don't want to form a pre made group of your own through shout? See it works both ways so the only logical solution is to leave it alone the way it is.

I have better solution, don't go into BGS unless you have 3 friends online to fight with... That's how I do it and that's also why since BGs came out I've only been in there 4-5 times... And I love open world pvp. But just as in vivec I tend to follow my rule nr. 2= " if you are fighting 3 or more players and know or can see the way they fight that they are coordinating themselves, run like hell you can't win s repeated 3+ man ult dumps.

Michae

No keep it the way it is (why?)

Let people play how they want. I have no problem with getting my ass kicked from time to time.

FrancisCrawford

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

I don't even play in BGs, and I voted to separate them.

Way back in Guild Wars days, they separated premades and randoms. If you won 10 straight matches in Random Arena, you were transferred to fight against premades.

That happened to me once. Our demise was swift and decisive.

idk

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

I meant 'other'

Noctus wrote: »

problem is there is not enough damage to kill a full min/max tank/heal group they can just go around and farm people. i know that experience from both sides

It is your lack of skill and inability to burst a players down, simple. You keep crying about this post after post L2p and stop asking for nerfs to make up for your short comings. Smh.

They should separate pre-mades but I feel since it does take more effort to have a good pre-made group, that bgs should offer a new incentive for the top scoring groups. It would be interesting if rather then one match for premades they had a mini tournament that ended every week. Allowing for randoms to have fun and premades something exciting with a better rewards option for participating. Doubt it would happen but an unique option.

There is a good idea in here. Not the tourney since we already have one basically with ranking.

If Zos separated the two then Zos would have to offer a better reward for the group queue over the solo queue. It is a very basic requirement.

Otherwise a group would just queue solo at the very same time and often many of them would get into the same fight which still gives them the advantage. I have seen similar and it often works for which Zos could not stop it Why the group incentive is basically required.

FierceSam

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

I would like the option for guilds to organise Battlegrounds, so

A) 12 guildies could play against each other and
they could actually create balanced premade groups

Even if you get no AP or experience from the fights, they would provide a fun and useful way of enabling players to learn how to play without the usual PvP toxicity.

As a mainly PvE player, my experiences of Battlegrounds has been almost entirely negative, I can’t group up with guildies because then we’re a ‘premade’ and up against either other premades, or no one wants to play us, or the BG just doesn’t load.

I’d also like a proper challenge board so that people/premades who are really good can play one another (and equally useless premades like mine could play other similarly inexperienced groups)

I guess the fundamental issue for BGs is that there aren’t enough people doing them at any one time. So you have to throw the cannon fodder in with the premades.

Chaos2088

Yes make a seperate queue for premades

I just don't like it when you are on a team of 3 people....and you get a 4th at the very end.....Like thanks for rigging that one!

Also I've been the 4th one to join a game at the every end....moved one step and the game was over...bad times. lol