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Not Fair
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Uryel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Khaleesi8688 wrote: »So I'm confused how so many people who are dirt poor broke have a decent computer and internet connection with which to play this game.... or are you arguing hypotheticals that don't make sense?
Allright, I'll bite.
- Average income in France (where I live) : 2250 euros per month. But truthfully, the average is high because some people hoard so much wealth they drag the average up (and if you don't believe me, calculate the average income on 1000 people where 999 of them earn 1000 bucks a month and 1 earns a million - The average is 1999). The median pay is a much better indication of actual income for the average joe. Basically, the definition is that 50% of the population earns less, 50% earns more. In France, median pay is about 1700 euros. That's before taxes, of course. Minimum wage is 1498 euros, before taxes.
France is one of the richest countries in the world, or so they say. Considering I make a living as a social worker, I may have a different opinion on that matter. But hey, it could be worse. So, let's compare with other countries that I know for sure have some players in the game (guildmates and / or other people I talked with).
- Minimum wage in Spain : 900 euros in 2019. Whopping +22% increase announced at the end of 2018, last year it was 736 euros. Average income : about 1900 euros per month. Data I found say 23 000 a year, so I divided by 12, even though I think in Spain you are paid 13 times a year... But gotta compare data that can be compared, so that means monthly income is actually lower, but you get a bonus month. Median pay in spain : 1634 euros. Also worth reading : https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/07/17/inenglish/1500277240_151930.html
- Hungary : Average at 16 821 US dollars a year, so that's about 14 778 euros a year, averaging at 1231 euros per month. That's the average, the median is lower since the country has a huge disparity of income. Couldn't find the exact data, though.
- Brazil : Average at 678 US dollars per month / 595 euros per month. Median pay lower. Minimum wage is less than 10 US dollars a day.
(Sources : mostly OECD)
So, yeah, there's that.
But you need to understand something about economics, though : local prices often vary according to local wealth. The same service or product can have greatly different prices depending on where it is sold. That's one of the reasons, for instance, that Steam has regional access. Some games may or may not be available at all, but pricing may vary alot. If you ever used on of those shady online activation key services for a game, that's how they operate : they buy keys in bulk in cheaper parts of the world, and resell for a profit elsewhere. The same freaking yoghurt is 5 times more expensive in France than in Czech Republic. Most of these countries have decent enough internet coverage and proper computers, not just potatoes.
That's because "dirt poor" means nothing if you don't compare income to the local cost of life. If you earn 5 times less than, say, the average US citizen, but average cost of life is also 5 times lower, then you're actually not poorer than the average US citizen.
Unless you're trying to purchase something online, and that something happens to be priced for the average US citizen.
Which is why I can't understand why ZOS prices their no-production-cost tokens, unlocks, costume, ... as if they only targeted the richest countries' markets. There are people playing this game from countries where the median income is half, or even a third of what people from USA, France, UK, Germany... Would expect to earn. Which effectively in turn makes those products twice as expensive, or more, for those players. While you and I may be able to afford something that costs 20 bucks on a whim, for some people who also play ESO, it might be the equivalent of spending 40, 60, maybe 100 bucks. Maybe still doable, but as far as I'm concerned I don't burn 100 bucks on a video game on a whim.
Then, we can factor the percieved value of something. Outfit slots, for instance. 1500 crowns ? Sure, I could afford that. A few times. But there is no way in hell I'll pay that much for something that only unlocks one slot for one character. if it were account-wide, I'd purchase 2 right away. That would be 3000 crowns fo ZOS. As it it now, I'll purchase exactly 0. That's 0 crowns for ZOS. Net loss of income : 3000 crowns. Now imagine you live in Spain, where earning 1000 euros a month is having a pretty damn good salary (see the article I linked above). Shelling 1500 crowns for that ? No way. A pricing that would factor more than just the richest countries would mean people from those countries could affor said services, and "rich" folks would buy even more. In some cases, the percieved value may even significantly increase.
I'll have to stop at some point, the subject is one I know very well and I could keep going for a while ^^' So let's just say that, with the current pricing of most services, ZOS clearly targets a small portion of their possible customers, and them only. Lower prices would make for a generally better amount of sales, and wouldn't cause any loss since none of those products or services have any manufacturing costs.
There, I hope this clarifies a bit what I meant earlier
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Lord_Hypnos✭✭✭To all who complain about "race change tokens are not working/misguiding/mimimi" clearly have not paid any attention when creating a char.
Can you make an Orc in EP or Dumer in AD without the "massive" "cash grab"? No. Was it since the game launched? YES.
Did you try to make that before and realized it did not work? Yes. Well done. No? well, it´s not ZOS fault then.
You can change your race to any in YOUR alliance OR if you have the "cash grab" Adventurers pack then to all.
You can not demand from Anyone something you did not own/had no right to anywhere. I might as well claim Everyone's gold and crowns just because i own the game and i bought some crowns. I clearly have the right, don't i?
It´s been like this for years and if you really did notice that only now after ZOS gave away once again free items (like they did a lot within this year) then it´s only your own fault.6 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »twilightwarrick wrote: »Hi I don't think its fair , we cant change our race to whatever we chose, with the game tokens, after the latest patch, without a bloody 25 dollar dlc
most of us never asked for the race changes, well I certainly didn't, and I feel my choice is now a bit of let down after this update, be fair Zenermax/ Bethesda and stop
trying to make a buck off everything in the game, this really highlights their greed.
Life's not fair. You even say in your OP that you didn't ask for one -which means you don't really even care.
Stop stirring drama up on something that you don't even care about.
You stop. OP has every right to voice his complaint when getting ripped off.
He didn't get ripped off. YOU didn't get ripped off. No one got ripped off. Just because you don't agree with how it works doesn't make it wrong.
I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on the psychology behind corporate shilling. Would be interesting to read.
I'm only an advocate for common sense, not ZoS. There are all of THREE people on this entire thread (as well as others) that rant and rave about the big bad corporate machine. It gets very old after a while.
You call me a shill, and yet you and a few others rage against EVERYTHING that ZoS does all the while using their product and expecting everything from the day you bought the box for free. If you hate them so damn much, why in God's name are you still here? Oh, yeah - it's to create false anger and resentment for a company that you have some sort of fantasy grudge against.
If a consumer is unhappy with a product, they typically stop using the product. They don't rant and rave incessantly demanding the company change the product to fit their desires. They find a different product.
You don't like the product or the company's methods? Stop logging in. Stop posting on the forums. Move on with your life and find a better product - or better yet - Quit McDonalds and create your own business, develop a perfect game, and show ZoS how they SHOULD run a Billion Dollar Company in one of the most complex, diverse, and competitive markets in modern industry.
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BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭MrRudiculous wrote: »
... or cash for the ZOS cash grab changes.
Please enlighten us how this a cash grab? Mind you the update and allchanges to base game with it was free and you were given approximately the equivalent of $80 with 3 race change tokens2 -
Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Now, you can argue about what's common sense or not, but a search the forums reveals that actually this is a matter that confuses quite a few players. ZOS certainly could add a line of text clarifying that you can only change races within your faction - buy the Adventurer Pack or Imperial Upgrade to unlock more races for your alliance.
The Crown Store is written using the retail base game and its default features as the primary reference.
Any Race Any Alliance is a modification of a default feature. It only affects the game if you have it.
Referencing ARAA anywhere else than within the Explorer/Adventurer Pack would be seen as a marketing effort to upsell, which would be yet another thing for a subset of players to complain about. Probably using the incorrect term "bait and switch".signing off2 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »Wait, so you want something for free you never had to start with? I see.
That's probably what many are over looking. Many are asking for exactly what they had to start with, a choice between all of the races. When you enter the character screen initially you have that. ZoS made some changes and offered the race change tokens, but instead of having the same choice, it is limited to 3 for some. The racial passive changes were made in the name of "balance", which rests on the shoulders of ZoS and is not caused by any fault of the player.
It's impossible to make everyone happy. Everyone knows that. Some are going cry "foul" no matter what, however, ZoS could have taken measures to ease the transition. For the most part I think that they did, but they left some gaping holes. They're aware of the ambiguity surrounding the race change tokens. They could have prevented some of the backlash.
We use words like "entitlement" or "compensation", but none of those really matter. ZoS doesn't owe me anything other than what I have paid for. I don't owe them anything. This relationship exists because I enjoy the game, and because I find value in it I pay them for their hard work. They seek to make a profit. It's a win for both of us. It behooves us both to preserve this relationship as long as we're both happy.
ZoS isn't legally bound to do anything. They don't have to give race change tokens. Whether they should have put more effort into easing the transition is a another matter. Retrospective cost means something in an MMO.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Now, you can argue about what's common sense or not, but a search the forums reveals that actually this is a matter that confuses quite a few players. ZOS certainly could add a line of text clarifying that you can only change races within your faction - buy the Adventurer Pack or Imperial Upgrade to unlock more races for your alliance.
The Crown Store is written using the retail base game and its default features as the primary reference.
Any Race Any Alliance is a modification of a default feature. It only affects the game if you have it.
Referencing ARAA anywhere else than within the Explorer/Adventurer Pack would be seen as a marketing effort to upsell, which would be yet another thing for a subset of players to complain about. Probably using the incorrect term "bait and switch".
Sure. People will complain about anything. Can't please everyone. Etc.
That doesn't actually diminish the fact that players have been confused by this description since at least 2016 (the earliest thread I can find with a quick look). Its a source of recurring confusion. ZOS could fix the description if they wanted to. They haven't, perhaps for the reasons you state, but ZOS certainly could if that were a priority.
Maybe its that I'm a teacher. If my students are getting confused by the same point in the lesson, over and over, I'm going to start looking for a better way to explain how it works. I see this confusion over race change tokens only working within the alliance come up as a recurring point of confusion on the forums, so I'm looking for how ZOS could, perhaps should, clarify their messaging.2 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Agenericname wrote: »Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »Wait, so you want something for free you never had to start with? I see.
That's probably what many are over looking. Many are asking for exactly what they had to start with, a choice between all of the races. When you enter the character screen initially you have that. ZoS made some changes and offered the race change tokens, but instead of having the same choice, it is limited to 3 for some.
Not exactly
If you did not have ARAA at the character select screen, you were limited to 3 races in each alliance. Yes you could choose any race but if you wanted to be a Breton, you were locked to DC. If you wanted to be AD, you were locked to Khajiit, Altmer, Bosmer.
So they have the same choice of the races with the alliance they selected. Nothing is different.
You never were able to make a khajiit in DC or EP unless you owned ARAA.
I do agree they should make the race change token description clearer when it comes to what you can and can't do.
Edited by Katahdin on February 27, 2019 5:59PMBeta tester November 20132 -
Uryel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »[If you hate them so damn much, why in God's name are you still here? [...] If a consumer is unhappy with a product, they typically stop using the product.
That's where your confusion is, mate. One can love the product and still hate the company's behavior with their customers. The whole point of a complaint is to make things better, and you don't complain if you hate the product, you indeed move on.
Best exemple I can think of is with the servers performance issues. For weeks, people have complained about terrible performance on the EU server. What did ZOS had to say about that ? Nothing. Not a freaking word.
And then, surprise, just before update 21, they announce they will update the database. Not even saying why. And, 'lo and behold, most performance issues are gone. Good job, ZOS, and I really mean it. But proper communication would have gone a long way to alleviate the issue.
A simple "hey guys, we know something is wrong with the database, we are investigating, chances are good that we'll fix it with a big database overhaul that we will be doing at the same time as update 21, so hang on just a little bit". That's all it would have taken. Sure, some people would have kept ranting, demanding the fix RIGHT NOW. But for most, it would have done the trick.
These guys have no sense of communication. They probably wouldn't recognize good customer practices if they were bitting their arse.1 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agenericname wrote: »Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »Wait, so you want something for free you never had to start with? I see.
That's probably what many are over looking. Many are asking for exactly what they had to start with, a choice between all of the races. When you enter the character screen initially you have that. ZoS made some changes and offered the race change tokens, but instead of having the same choice, it is limited to 3 for some.
Not exactly
If you did not have ARAA at the character select screen, you were limited to 3 races in each alliance. Yes you could choose any race but if you wanted to be a Breton, you were locked to DC. If you wanted to be AD, you were locked to Khajiit, Altmer, Bosmer.
So they have the same choice of the races with the alliance they selected. Nothing is different.
You never were able to make a khajiit in DC or EP unless you owned ARAA.
I do agree they should make the race change token description clearer when it comes to what you can and can't do.
It's true that the factions presented the same barriers then as they do now, assuming one doesn't have ARAA, but it's mostly irrelevant. I chose to play an Altmer, being a part of the AD is a byproduct of that choice. In other words I'm Altmer despite being in the AD, not because of it.
Had I not become an Altmer, my next choice would have been Breton. It was very close, but I had 9 races to choose from then. Now I have 3. Khajiit and Bosmer were never a consideration, now they're the only alternatives. The barriers placed by characters being faction-bound were placed after, or as a consequence of, my initial decision. They existed prior to that choice, but didn't prevent me from chosing a Breton. Now they do.
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Agenericname wrote: »Agenericname wrote: »Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »Wait, so you want something for free you never had to start with? I see.
That's probably what many are over looking. Many are asking for exactly what they had to start with, a choice between all of the races. When you enter the character screen initially you have that. ZoS made some changes and offered the race change tokens, but instead of having the same choice, it is limited to 3 for some.
Not exactly
If you did not have ARAA at the character select screen, you were limited to 3 races in each alliance. Yes you could choose any race but if you wanted to be a Breton, you were locked to DC. If you wanted to be AD, you were locked to Khajiit, Altmer, Bosmer.
So they have the same choice of the races with the alliance they selected. Nothing is different.
You never were able to make a khajiit in DC or EP unless you owned ARAA.
I do agree they should make the race change token description clearer when it comes to what you can and can't do.
It's true that the factions presented the same barriers then as they do now, assuming one doesn't have ARAA, but it's mostly irrelevant. I chose to play an Altmer, being a part of the AD is a byproduct of that choice. In other words I'm Altmer despite being in the AD, not because of it.
Had I not become an Altmer, my next choice would have been Breton. It was very close, but I had 9 races to choose from then. Now I have 3. Khajiit and Bosmer were never a consideration, now they're the only alternatives. The barriers placed by characters being faction-bound were placed after, or as a consequence of, my initial decision. They existed prior to that choice, but didn't prevent me from chosing a Breton. Now they do.
While that may be true in your case, for many players, alliance was the first choice and race was locked to the 3 available.
In any case, it may have been a secondary consideration for you, but you were still locked to AD as an altmer without ARAA.Beta tester November 20130 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You get what you pay for. If you're not willing to pay for it, then you don't get it.Edited by starlizard70ub17_ESO on February 27, 2019 8:24PM"We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."4 -
Didgerion✭✭✭✭✭
✭twilightwarrick wrote: »Hi I don't think its fair , we cant change our race to whatever we chose, with the game tokens, after the latest patch, without a bloody 25 dollar dlc
most of us never asked for the race changes, well I certainly didn't, and I feel my choice is now a bit of let down after this update, be fair Zenermax/ Bethesda and stop
trying to make a buck off everything in the game, this really highlights their greed.
What's the problem exactly? So far I changed 0 races. You know, they updated the racial but they kept the races affinities. It is not like they converted Altmer to stamina race and wood elf to magica race. The numbers are slightly adjusted and that's all. And you have plenty of ways to compensate for the changes.
It seems to me that you just want one token that unlocks all pay-gates?
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Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes just pay ESO whenever they want to make changes to solely exploit money.
You're acting like they just added Any Race Any Alliance. It's been part of the game for a very long time. It wasn't suddenly created to flash in the faces of people. You've had plenty of time to know what the game does and does not offer in the base game. This is not exploiting, you're just a misinformed customer.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!4 -
vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Any alliance Any race has been available for a very long time now. Why can't zeni just give it away for the 3 race changes? What is the big deal?
If it is such a big deal, then why give 3 race changes for free.. make everyone pay for it.
If you want a friend, get a dog.
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BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »Any alliance Any race has been available for a very long time now. Why can't zeni just give it away for the 3 race changes? What is the big deal?
If it is such a big deal, then why give 3 race changes for free.. make everyone pay for it.
The deal is it was a preorder bonus and players had to pay for it so why should it be given for free to people who a didn’t preorder and b didn’t buy it. You want any race any alliance free then how are you or ZoS gonna compensate those who preordered and bought any race any alliance. You see the problem is you make one subset of players happy you *** off another subset. ZoS compromise was to give 3 free race change tokens.1 -
BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »[If you hate them so damn much, why in God's name are you still here? [...] If a consumer is unhappy with a product, they typically stop using the product.
That's where your confusion is, mate. One can love the product and still hate the company's behavior with their customers. The whole point of a complaint is to make things better, and you don't complain if you hate the product, you indeed move on.
Best exemple I can think of is with the servers performance issues. For weeks, people have complained about terrible performance on the EU server. What did ZOS had to say about that ? Nothing. Not a freaking word.
And then, surprise, just before update 21, they announce they will update the database. Not even saying why. And, 'lo and behold, most performance issues are gone. Good job, ZOS, and I really mean it. But proper communication would have gone a long way to alleviate the issue.
A simple "hey guys, we know something is wrong with the database, we are investigating, chances are good that we'll fix it with a big database overhaul that we will be doing at the same time as update 21, so hang on just a little bit". That's all it would have taken. Sure, some people would have kept ranting, demanding the fix RIGHT NOW. But for most, it would have done the trick.
These guys have no sense of communication. They probably wouldn't recognize good customer practices if they were bitting their arse.
Did u agree to terms of service when you started playing? It is in the terms of service ZoS does not need to actually inform the players of any updates or changes again the fact they do is another generous gesture on their part.2 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.1 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.
Are you new to the forums? There have been many boards about things like people feeling pidgeonholed into running Altmer, Redguard, Dunmer, and Argonian because of the overperformance of their racials compared to others. People have been seeking changes for a while now. Especially some of the underperforming ones like Breton, Imperial, and Orc.
It isn't a cash grab because it has always been a part of the game, you just chose not to upgrade your account. This is like someone who has a coupon for an oil change, then complains when they're given the basic package, because they wanted the deluxe free, even though they never upgraded their service to include deluxe.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!5 -
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Be glad they’re giving out THREE name and race tokens, cause they could’ve kept it at one or better yet: given us nothing bud.JumpmanLane wrote: »It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.1 -
BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.
quite a number of people have actually asked for race changesEdited by BattleAxe on February 28, 2019 1:26PM0 -
vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The deal is it was a preorder bonus and players had to pay for it so why should it be given for free to people who a didn’t preorder and b didn’t buy it. You want any race any alliance free then how are you or ZoS gonna compensate those who preordered and bought any race any alliance. You see the problem is you make one subset of players happy you *** off another subset. ZoS compromise was to give 3 free race change tokens.
Am I missing something? What are you talking about "preorder"? I never had to preorder "Any Race Any Alliance" token. I just went to the crown store and bought a bundle that included it.
It is my assumption that some players picked an alliance based on race passives. I personally feel Zeni should compensate the players by providing free race change ( which includes all races ).
This is just my opinion. If it is so wrong to let a few players have "Any Race Any Alliance" token for free, then I say don't let any player have anything for free.
JYI, I paid for it on all 6 accounts and I don't have a problem letting someone have it for free.
If you want a friend, get a dog.
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BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »The deal is it was a preorder bonus and players had to pay for it so why should it be given for free to people who a didn’t preorder and b didn’t buy it. You want any race any alliance free then how are you or ZoS gonna compensate those who preordered and bought any race any alliance. You see the problem is you make one subset of players happy you *** off another subset. ZoS compromise was to give 3 free race change tokens.
Am I missing something? What are you talking about "preorder"? I never had to preorder "Any Race Any Alliance" token. I just went to the crown store and bought a bundle that included it.
It is my assumption that some players picked an alliance based on race passives. I personally feel Zeni should compensate the players by providing free race change ( which includes all races ).
This is just my opinion. If it is so wrong to let a few players have "Any Race Any Alliance" token for free, then I say don't let any player have anything for free.
JYI, I paid for it on all 6 accounts and I don't have a problem letting someone have it for free.
It was a preorder bonus of eso sorry I didn’t clarifyEdited by BattleAxe on February 28, 2019 3:23PM2 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.
Are you new to the forums? There have been many boards about things like people feeling pidgeonholed into running Altmer, Redguard, Dunmer, and Argonian because of the overperformance of their racials compared to others. People have been seeking changes for a while now. Especially some of the underperforming ones like Breton, Imperial, and Orc.
It isn't a cash grab because it has always been a part of the game, you just chose not to upgrade your account. This is like someone who has a coupon for an oil change, then complains when they're given the basic package, because they wanted the deluxe free, even though they never upgraded their service to include deluxe.
I’m not race changing. My Dunmer MagDk is just fine. I got the Imperial upgrade for my StamDK, it’s all good. Though the op and anybody who hasn’t bought the any alliance thing might have to pay a bit of money for it and have a right to complain.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Be glad they’re giving out THREE name and race tokens, cause they could’ve kept it at one or better yet: given us nothing bud.JumpmanLane wrote: »It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.
And changed racial passives in order to get money. Keep them I don’t need them. I’m not race changing...er...bud. They COULD have left passives alone and focused on BUGS lol.JumpmanLane wrote: »It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.
quite a number of people have actually asked for race changes
I’m sure every Skyrim fan who came to ESO wanting to be a Nord did indeed...
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BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.
Are you new to the forums? There have been many boards about things like people feeling pidgeonholed into running Altmer, Redguard, Dunmer, and Argonian because of the overperformance of their racials compared to others. People have been seeking changes for a while now. Especially some of the underperforming ones like Breton, Imperial, and Orc.
It isn't a cash grab because it has always been a part of the game, you just chose not to upgrade your account. This is like someone who has a coupon for an oil change, then complains when they're given the basic package, because they wanted the deluxe free, even though they never upgraded their service to include deluxe.
I’m not race changing. My Dunmer MagDk is just fine. I got the Imperial upgrade for my StamDK, it’s all good. Though the op and anybody who hasn’t bought the any alliance thing might have to pay a bit of money for it and have a right to complain.Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »
Be glad they’re giving out THREE name and race tokens, cause they could’ve kept it at one or better yet: given us nothing bud.JumpmanLane wrote: »It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.
And changed racial passives in order to get money. Keep them I don’t need them. I’m not race changing...er...bud. They COULD have left passives alone and focused on BUGS lol.JumpmanLane wrote: »It’s a money grab. No one at all requested changing racial passives. ZOS only was gonna give out 1 token at first. They give out 3 and of course is useless unless you also purchase the ad pack lol.
Incidentally, the I’m not race changing but op has a right to complain.
quite a number of people have actually asked for race changes
I’m sure every Skyrim fan who came to ESO wanting to be a Nord did indeed...
Isn’t just Nord people have complained about other races orc Breton under performing for dps Stam shoehorned to run redguard to compete. Argonians over performing due to healing recieved and healing done (mostly pvp) argonians got hit a little more then they should have in my opinion but that’s not entirely thread related and deserves its own I actually on another thread proposed a very decent argonian change tht should be looked at and tested. An in game bug is more of a routine maintenance patch versus dlc update patch. The argument this is a cash grab is pointless cuz either way you would probably spend money if u were given any race any alliance for free you would complain about having to buy tokens and we already know the way being given tokens has gone.1
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