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racism question
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Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »What type of name Character name or account name> Account names can be changed. Character names not so freely unless its forced or through a name change slot, luckily we got three free race name changes yesterday so he could use one to change it. His best bet would have a name called Redguard from Sentinel. Redguard from Alik'r. Both would be much better I think and more accepted.
What about the particular location of Zimbabwe makes the statement racist? Is it because it's a real place? Well then is Imperial From Rome racist? What about Altmer from France? What about Bosmer from Colorado?
I just seriously don't understand what the issue is here. A guy is from a place, and he identifies with/plays an in game race...?
It isn't race or anything like that but the fact he has a real county in his name. Say for example you make a character and call him USABritain, they could possibly force you to change the name or you can't log in with it.. Same goes for in lore powerful Daedric Prince names. Someone made a Sheogorath Look Alike and once had a thread about him being Forced to name change because he used the Name Sheogorath. So there is some things they don't allow and if they find out about them could force that player to change it. I think this is one of those issues. Because the Thread Makers Friend has named his character or account after a real life country or political entity that would qualify as possibly being against the code of Conduct and thus subject to a possible force name change.
Lore specific names, yes. But I'd like to see a the specific passage that outlaws using real places. Again, there are lots of people who have names that are also places.
For example : Cheyenne, Denver, London, Paris, ect
Its in the code of conduct
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
2. BEHAVIOR
2.1 You may not create an account name, persona or avatar that is in any way racially or ethnically defamatory, sexually graphic, hateful, and excretory in nature. You will not reference or claim affiliation to any hate groups. Any other names, text or chat that ZeniMax considers offensive is also in violation of the Agreement including the Code of Conduct.
2.2 You may not create any name, text or chat that negatively references a 'Protected Category' under Federal or Maryland State law. These include any name, text or chat which references or includes Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy or Gender. You may not create an account name that is defamatory, impersonates or attempts to defame the reputation of another account holder, an employee of ZeniMax, property of ZeniMax, or ZeniMax and/or its affiliates.
Even though it isn't done in a negitive light, he still is using a National Origin by including the name of his county in his character/account name.
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✭Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »What type of name Character name or account name> Account names can be changed. Character names not so freely unless its forced or through a name change slot, luckily we got three free race name changes yesterday so he could use one to change it. His best bet would have a name called Redguard from Sentinel. Redguard from Alik'r. Both would be much better I think and more accepted.
What about the particular location of Zimbabwe makes the statement racist? Is it because it's a real place? Well then is Imperial From Rome racist? What about Altmer from France? What about Bosmer from Colorado?
I just seriously don't understand what the issue is here. A guy is from a place, and he identifies with/plays an in game race...?
It isn't race or anything like that but the fact he has a real county in his name. Say for example you make a character and call him USABritain, they could possibly force you to change the name or you can't log in with it.. Same goes for in lore powerful Daedric Prince names. Someone made a Sheogorath Look Alike and once had a thread about him being Forced to name change because he used the Name Sheogorath. So there is some things they don't allow and if they find out about them could force that player to change it. I think this is one of those issues. Because the Thread Makers Friend has named his character or account after a real life country or political entity that would qualify as possibly being against the code of Conduct and thus subject to a possible force name change.
Lore specific names, yes. But I'd like to see a the specific passage that outlaws using real places. Again, there are lots of people who have names that are also places.
For example : Cheyenne, Denver, London, Paris, ect
Its in the code of conduct
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
2. BEHAVIOR
2.1 You may not create an account name, persona or avatar that is in any way racially or ethnically defamatory, sexually graphic, hateful, and excretory in nature. You will not reference or claim affiliation to any hate groups. Any other names, text or chat that ZeniMax considers offensive is also in violation of the Agreement including the Code of Conduct.
2.2 You may not create any name, text or chat that negatively references a 'Protected Category' under Federal or Maryland State law. These include any name, text or chat which references or includes Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy or Gender. You may not create an account name that is defamatory, impersonates or attempts to defame the reputation of another account holder, an employee of ZeniMax, property of ZeniMax, or ZeniMax and/or its affiliates.
Even though it isn't done in a negitive light, he still is using a National Origin by including the name of his county in his character/account name.
Ah, I see. So it's specific to national origin. Thanks for finding that for me!1 -
Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »What type of name Character name or account name> Account names can be changed. Character names not so freely unless its forced or through a name change slot, luckily we got three free race name changes yesterday so he could use one to change it. His best bet would have a name called Redguard from Sentinel. Redguard from Alik'r. Both would be much better I think and more accepted.
What about the particular location of Zimbabwe makes the statement racist? Is it because it's a real place? Well then is Imperial From Rome racist? What about Altmer from France? What about Bosmer from Colorado?
I just seriously don't understand what the issue is here. A guy is from a place, and he identifies with/plays an in game race...?
It isn't race or anything like that but the fact he has a real county in his name. Say for example you make a character and call him USABritain, they could possibly force you to change the name or you can't log in with it.. Same goes for in lore powerful Daedric Prince names. Someone made a Sheogorath Look Alike and once had a thread about him being Forced to name change because he used the Name Sheogorath. So there is some things they don't allow and if they find out about them could force that player to change it. I think this is one of those issues. Because the Thread Makers Friend has named his character or account after a real life country or political entity that would qualify as possibly being against the code of Conduct and thus subject to a possible force name change.
Lore specific names, yes. But I'd like to see a the specific passage that outlaws using real places. Again, there are lots of people who have names that are also places.
For example : Cheyenne, Denver, London, Paris, ect
Its in the code of conduct
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
2. BEHAVIOR
2.1 You may not create an account name, persona or avatar that is in any way racially or ethnically defamatory, sexually graphic, hateful, and excretory in nature. You will not reference or claim affiliation to any hate groups. Any other names, text or chat that ZeniMax considers offensive is also in violation of the Agreement including the Code of Conduct.
2.2 You may not create any name, text or chat that negatively references a 'Protected Category' under Federal or Maryland State law. These include any name, text or chat which references or includes Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy or Gender. You may not create an account name that is defamatory, impersonates or attempts to defame the reputation of another account holder, an employee of ZeniMax, property of ZeniMax, or ZeniMax and/or its affiliates.
Even though it isn't done in a negitive light, he still is using a National Origin by including the name of his county in his character/account name.
Ah, I see. So it's specific to national origin. Thanks for finding that for me!
Yeah and your welcome. I had to do some googling to find out that it is in the code of conduct a rule against that. So yeah It is in the Code of Conduct.PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭I would leave a guild which such a character. It's cute while some don't Know what tragic this reference at least these leaders do. How about about your friend pick a name with class then soultion is easy.1 -
JWillCHS✭✭✭I really don't care. Eventually someone in game or a developer might address it. He'll have to change it eventually.
I'm still surprised Jesus Takes the Heel is still around. Love 'em in BGs. I actually had my login name as @yeshua and had to change it eventually.
I'm actually black in real life and I see racial references in online gaming almost exclusively as caricatures usually. In most cases someone trying to be "funny". My Discord is predominantly made up of minorities and in most cases we would joke about something like this.
Maybe his name should be RedguardfromWakanda. It's not real in our world or in Tamriel. xD
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✭✭✭✭Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »What type of name Character name or account name> Account names can be changed. Character names not so freely unless its forced or through a name change slot, luckily we got three free race name changes yesterday so he could use one to change it. His best bet would have a name called Redguard from Sentinel. Redguard from Alik'r. Both would be much better I think and more accepted.
What about the particular location of Zimbabwe makes the statement racist? Is it because it's a real place? Well then is Imperial From Rome racist? What about Altmer from France? What about Bosmer from Colorado?
I just seriously don't understand what the issue is here. A guy is from a place, and he identifies with/plays an in game race...?
It isn't race or anything like that but the fact he has a real county in his name. Say for example you make a character and call him USABritain, they could possibly force you to change the name or you can't log in with it.. Same goes for in lore powerful Daedric Prince names. Someone made a Sheogorath Look Alike and once had a thread about him being Forced to name change because he used the Name Sheogorath. So there is some things they don't allow and if they find out about them could force that player to change it. I think this is one of those issues. Because the Thread Makers Friend has named his character or account after a real life country or political entity that would qualify as possibly being against the code of Conduct and thus subject to a possible force name change.
Lore specific names, yes. But I'd like to see a the specific passage that outlaws using real places. Again, there are lots of people who have names that are also places.
For example : Cheyenne, Denver, London, Paris, ect
Its in the code of conduct
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
2. BEHAVIOR
2.1 You may not create an account name, persona or avatar that is in any way racially or ethnically defamatory, sexually graphic, hateful, and excretory in nature. You will not reference or claim affiliation to any hate groups. Any other names, text or chat that ZeniMax considers offensive is also in violation of the Agreement including the Code of Conduct.
2.2 You may not create any name, text or chat that negatively references a 'Protected Category' under Federal or Maryland State law. These include any name, text or chat which references or includes Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy or Gender. You may not create an account name that is defamatory, impersonates or attempts to defame the reputation of another account holder, an employee of ZeniMax, property of ZeniMax, or ZeniMax and/or its affiliates.
Even though it isn't done in a negitive light, he still is using a National Origin by including the name of his county in his character/account name.
Ah, I see. So it's specific to national origin. Thanks for finding that for me!
Yeah and your welcome. I had to do some googling to find out that it is in the code of conduct a rule against that. So yeah It is in the Code of Conduct.
That doesn't make any sense, though. If it were against the rules to simply use national origin in a name period, the CoC would say that specifically. Instead it says specially using national origin in a derogatory or defaming way, and afaik, Redguard From Zimbambwe isn't derogatory or defaming at all.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
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R1ckyDaMan✭✭✭✭Tell him to report the guild for not letting him join because he is from Zimbabwe.3 -
KoultouraS✭✭✭✭✭So, I suppose "Englishman in New York" is out of the question?
I wanted to name my necro like this...
Poor Sting btw... he now has to face allegations for racism2 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Probably because they're assuming a bunch of stuff. For once, that he's not a colored guy himself. They think he made the character as some sort of joke, like trying to be funny by creating a caricature of a black person. Or that he's using the country Zimbabwe in the name, to highlight the fact that redguards also have darker skin och thinks it's comedy.
Sometimes people do pick out semi-racist characteristic about a certain group and ethnicity and than apply it to a game character trying to be funny. Which of course isn't the same as using Zimbabwe in your name. Maybe he just really likes Zimbabwe? Who knows?
But people are overly sensitive and assumes everything these days(related to Africa) is about racism and not something positive.Edited by eliisra on February 26, 2019 11:54AM1 -
Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In real life like it is in game many tend to seperate people with Racialism and this is a belief really some mix it with racism but it is different. It is is the belief that the human species or others is naturally divided into races, that are ostensibly distinct biological categories. Real life racialism is well not scientifically supported we are all the same race just diverse basically. But in the Elder Scrolls this is different every Race is not the same and thus can be magictifically classified as being different races. But biologically compatible for the most part. This is what differs the two and this is how i see it personally. You could say I believe in this right here in real life. Non-racialism is an ideology rejecting racism and racialism I see racisim as another form of hate or an excuse to hate fellow human beings. By being racist against another person you are being hateful towards your own kind and yourself because you are really the same race as them.
Dunmer, Orcs and Altmer are the same race basically or were once the same race only two of the three were cursed, but basically they are the same if not cursed. So Biologically they would be like humans in real life. But you have to consider magic in the mix here. Hence why I called it Magictifically above and not scientifically. So both Racialism and Non racialism could apply in the Elder Scrolls.Edited by Thevampirenight on February 26, 2019 12:09PMPC NA
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✭green_villain wrote: »my friend cant join into two popular trading guilds on NA PC
their leaders thinking his name is a form of racism
fun part its not because he actually black and from Zimbabwe
his name is RedguardFromZimbabwe
how to convince them?
you cant as they are brainwashed. Best to stay away anyway.Old Rungar always gives what's needed.
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Weesacs✭✭✭✭✭R1ckyDaMan wrote: »Tell him to report the guild for not letting him join because he is from Zimbabwe.
This. It sounds like they are the racists here as your mate is actually black and from Zimbabwe. Id report these guilds on this basis and see what happens. Put the emphasis back on thier stupid behaviour.Edited by Weesacs on February 26, 2019 12:08PMBreton Templar
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Nairinhe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I would leave a guild which such a character. It's cute while some don't Know what tragic this reference at least these leaders do. How about about your friend pick a name with class then soultion is easy.
Care to elaborate?Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »What type of name Character name or account name> Account names can be changed. Character names not so freely unless its forced or through a name change slot, luckily we got three free race name changes yesterday so he could use one to change it. His best bet would have a name called Redguard from Sentinel. Redguard from Alik'r. Both would be much better I think and more accepted.
What about the particular location of Zimbabwe makes the statement racist? Is it because it's a real place? Well then is Imperial From Rome racist? What about Altmer from France? What about Bosmer from Colorado?
I just seriously don't understand what the issue is here. A guy is from a place, and he identifies with/plays an in game race...?
It isn't race or anything like that but the fact he has a real county in his name. Say for example you make a character and call him USABritain, they could possibly force you to change the name or you can't log in with it.. Same goes for in lore powerful Daedric Prince names. Someone made a Sheogorath Look Alike and once had a thread about him being Forced to name change because he used the Name Sheogorath. So there is some things they don't allow and if they find out about them could force that player to change it. I think this is one of those issues. Because the Thread Makers Friend has named his character or account after a real life country or political entity that would qualify as possibly being against the code of Conduct and thus subject to a possible force name change.
Lore specific names, yes. But I'd like to see a the specific passage that outlaws using real places. Again, there are lots of people who have names that are also places.
For example : Cheyenne, Denver, London, Paris, ect
Its in the code of conduct
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
2. BEHAVIOR
2.1 You may not create an account name, persona or avatar that is in any way racially or ethnically defamatory, sexually graphic, hateful, and excretory in nature. You will not reference or claim affiliation to any hate groups. Any other names, text or chat that ZeniMax considers offensive is also in violation of the Agreement including the Code of Conduct.
2.2 You may not create any name, text or chat that negatively references a 'Protected Category' under Federal or Maryland State law. These include any name, text or chat which references or includes Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy or Gender. You may not create an account name that is defamatory, impersonates or attempts to defame the reputation of another account holder, an employee of ZeniMax, property of ZeniMax, or ZeniMax and/or its affiliates.
Even though it isn't done in a negitive light, he still is using a National Origin by including the name of his county in his character/account name.
Key word is "negative", and his name is in no way negative, which ultimately leads us to...green_villain wrote: »my friend cant join into two popular trading guilds on NA PC
their leaders thinking his name is a form of racism
fun part its not because he actually black and from Zimbabwe
his name is RedguardFromZimbabwe
how to convince them?
you cant as they are brainwashed. Best to stay away anyway.
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✭My beta redguard was my enchanter; named her Enna Shantaine (ba-dum-tsh).
Now, I got a free name change token and am overjoyed but...
trying to avoid any reference to colour is just hurting my brain...
want to go back to the days when a like Tandaz An'Titztu got laughs instead of scowls
PS: No, I wouldn't name a character that, but I thought it was funny as hell that a friends Erudite cleric was xD0 -
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✭If your friend wants to mention his country in his name, he should've chosen a name like "A h.o.m.o sapiens from his country". Any other objectication or concretization is against SJW laws.
PS: Oh God, I can't even say "h.o.m.o sapiens" and not get censored these days. It's time to change my signature to my favorite phrase.Edited by Ermiq on February 26, 2019 12:19PMOne of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I would leave a guild which such a character. It's cute while some don't Know what tragic this reference at least these leaders do. How about about your friend pick a name with class then soultion is easy.
Care to elaborate?Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »What type of name Character name or account name> Account names can be changed. Character names not so freely unless its forced or through a name change slot, luckily we got three free race name changes yesterday so he could use one to change it. His best bet would have a name called Redguard from Sentinel. Redguard from Alik'r. Both would be much better I think and more accepted.
What about the particular location of Zimbabwe makes the statement racist? Is it because it's a real place? Well then is Imperial From Rome racist? What about Altmer from France? What about Bosmer from Colorado?
I just seriously don't understand what the issue is here. A guy is from a place, and he identifies with/plays an in game race...?
It isn't race or anything like that but the fact he has a real county in his name. Say for example you make a character and call him USABritain, they could possibly force you to change the name or you can't log in with it.. Same goes for in lore powerful Daedric Prince names. Someone made a Sheogorath Look Alike and once had a thread about him being Forced to name change because he used the Name Sheogorath. So there is some things they don't allow and if they find out about them could force that player to change it. I think this is one of those issues. Because the Thread Makers Friend has named his character or account after a real life country or political entity that would qualify as possibly being against the code of Conduct and thus subject to a possible force name change.
Lore specific names, yes. But I'd like to see a the specific passage that outlaws using real places. Again, there are lots of people who have names that are also places.
For example : Cheyenne, Denver, London, Paris, ect
Its in the code of conduct
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct
2. BEHAVIOR
2.1 You may not create an account name, persona or avatar that is in any way racially or ethnically defamatory, sexually graphic, hateful, and excretory in nature. You will not reference or claim affiliation to any hate groups. Any other names, text or chat that ZeniMax considers offensive is also in violation of the Agreement including the Code of Conduct.
2.2 You may not create any name, text or chat that negatively references a 'Protected Category' under Federal or Maryland State law. These include any name, text or chat which references or includes Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy or Gender. You may not create an account name that is defamatory, impersonates or attempts to defame the reputation of another account holder, an employee of ZeniMax, property of ZeniMax, or ZeniMax and/or its affiliates.
Even though it isn't done in a negitive light, he still is using a National Origin by including the name of his county in his character/account name.
Key word is "negative", and his name is in no way negative, which ultimately leads us to...green_villain wrote: »my friend cant join into two popular trading guilds on NA PC
their leaders thinking his name is a form of racism
fun part its not because he actually black and from Zimbabwe
his name is RedguardFromZimbabwe
how to convince them?
you cant as they are brainwashed. Best to stay away anyway.
^...this
I don't really think it matters, say for example you have a Breton named Breton From England,
Redguard with the name Redguard From Afica An Orc with the name Orc From Mongolia
Dunmer From China
Altmer From USA.
Khajiit From India
Those would all count towards a name with a real life National Origin or Political Origin and could be either positive or negative or Neither. They might make those people change their name or leave them alone if its innocent enough and not a big deal. But for the most part I think they would just force the name change depending on how serious the nature of it is. Some might be able to get by for years and then one day find they must change the name. Others might never have too but could be at risk for it. I suspect a bunch of folks might be at risk for this but it all depends on how serious the offense of the name is.. Others they might leave alone until they have to take action. If players make it obvious though with their character names I do think it does not take long for Zeni to find it out and then that player logging in to find the forced name change screen when they try to log into that character.Edited by Thevampirenight on February 26, 2019 12:33PMPC NA
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Vyvrhel✭✭✭green_villain wrote: »his name is RedguardFromZimbabwe
With the new name changing tokens, he can easily change his name to the same name but in a Shona or Ndebele, nobody will understand that, and it will sound nicely tribal.
"Red guard from Zimbabwe" translates into "Murindi mutsvuku kubva Zimbabwe" which is rather long but I am sure he can think up a good name in Shona. Maybe Murindi mutsvuku (Red guard) would suffice.2 -
zergbase_ESO✭✭✭✭green_villain wrote: »my friend cant join into two popular trading guilds on NA PC
their leaders thinking his name is a form of racism
fun part its not because he actually black and from Zimbabwe
his name is RedguardFromZimbabwe
how to convince them?
Their guilds your problem? Find another guild then.1 -
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