DK need one stamina morph for one these skills

teladoy

Hi,

i believe DK need one stamina morph for one of the next skills. The reason is that DK stamina builds rely a lot in magicka usage in compare to other classes, like Templars for example.

mainly:
Green Dragon Blood
Reflective Scale
Spiked Armor

or alternatively:
Petrify

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

I have a better idea...
remove petrify from the game since is the only 0 brain cc that bypass everything
stam gdb? yeah sure cuz when vigor isn't enough...
stam morph of wings? damn bro...you really thought hard about it...tired of being stamdk in cyrodill and fail to dodge snipes so you just wanna spam wings until they fall?
spiked armor...this honestly doesnt make any sense since its purely a major buffs giver and well..perhaps the return dmg on hit would be higher if stam based on stam but overall would be pointless...
nice try though,,,better luck next year.

Dubhliam

No.

All of these skill are utility skills, so they don't need to be stamina morphs to be more effective for stamina builds.
However, making them stamina morphs WOULD hurt other builds.

Honestly, Vigor and Rally are by far better heals than GDB, I don't even know what you are thinking.

Spiked Armor is not spammable.
Reflective Scales are too good and should not be spammable, ergo high magicka cost. Use it sparingly.

Either learn to manage your magicka pool or try to make your build have more mag sustain, like with Shacklebreaker.

Sleep724

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

I have a better idea...
remove petrify from the game since is the only 0 brain cc that bypass everything
stam gdb? yeah sure cuz when vigor isn't enough...
stam morph of wings? damn bro...you really thought hard about it...tired of being stamdk in cyrodill and fail to dodge snipes so you just wanna spam wings until they fall?
spiked armor...this honestly doesnt make any sense since its purely a major buffs giver and well..perhaps the return dmg on hit would be higher if stam based on stam but overall would be pointless...
nice try though,,,better luck next year.

Meanwhile, fear isn't a "0 brain cc" that you have to tactfully use to correct?

And do you not like wings because your health desync snipe can get reflected?

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Sleep724 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

I have a better idea...
remove petrify from the game since is the only 0 brain cc that bypass everything
stam gdb? yeah sure cuz when vigor isn't enough...
stam morph of wings? damn bro...you really thought hard about it...tired of being stamdk in cyrodill and fail to dodge snipes so you just wanna spam wings until they fall?
spiked armor...this honestly doesnt make any sense since its purely a major buffs giver and well..perhaps the return dmg on hit would be higher if stam based on stam but overall would be pointless...
nice try though,,,better luck next year.

Meanwhile, fear isn't a "0 brain cc" that you have to tactfully use to correct?

And do you not like wings because your health desync snipe can get reflected?

last I checked fear can be countered by cc pots but petrify wont...you will still get rooted even if it doesnt stun and idk about that on wings since I dont use snipes...true nightblades dont use cloak and charge into battle and tbag the corpses they left behind to rot.

probabkyravi

Those are my Mag dump skills on Stam DK.

Xarc

I'm main stam DK and I desagree.
We're powerfull enough.
We've a great resource management, compared to other stam classes.

Banana

Some sort of poison standard of might would be nice

idk

teladoy wrote: »

Hi,

i believe DK need one stamina morph for one of the next skills. The reason is that DK stamina builds rely a lot in magicka usage in compare to other classes, like Templars for example.

mainly:
Green Dragon Blood
Reflective Scale
Spiked Armor

For these three, why? Your reasoning is not sufficient. I can understand reflective scales but GDB and the armor buff are not needed.

One is a long term buff (for his game that is a very long term buff). If is fabulous to have a long term to use the resource you are not using for damage and even spiked armor is not really a high damage skill.

I can easily agree with skills that are primarily damage skills we need stamina morphs but buff skills is a solidly bad idea. Spiked armor is not primarily a damage skill.

If you are a damage build I question why you are using GDB as it scales off your missing health, not even your max health. If you are using GDB to heal yourself on a damage build I would suggest you are doing it wrong. Vigor is so much better.

pod88kk

If you like running those skills so much why not just run a magdk?

Xarc

btw petrify and Spiked Armor have a very low magicka cost...

* and about reflectives scales: there's already a large amount of threads on forum, asking nerf for the skill... if you makes a stam morph, it will be the end of the world, dude.

Sythen88411

STAMWHIP2019

Itzmichi

Cant agree on a stamina morph on any of the above mentioned, but overall stamina diversity on the DK would be great, a more ressource like approach on the "class trees" would be great in general, regardless the class. Till this day i dont understand why they approached this issue with classspecialization.

macsmooth

Like everyone else here is saying these skills are utility skills

Build around mag regen and never complain about these skills again honestly the Stam DK is the one class that has split resources down to a T they literally buff/defend with magicka and damage with stamina just need to build towards mag regen

Those skills need to stay as magicka for the Stam DK to work the only skill I don’t use is spiked armour I prefer the other morph but that’s me and I’m not having to look for sneakers in PvP

Gryph13

I was more thinking that ash cloud (or poison cloud) would have been an interesting morph, especially considering that there is on stam morph in that entire skill line (Earthen Heat)

teladoy

Xarcus wrote: »

I'm main stam DK and I desagree.
We're powerfull enough.
We've a great resource management, compared to other stam classes.

idk wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Hi,

i believe DK need one stamina morph for one of the next skills. The reason is that DK stamina builds rely a lot in magicka usage in compare to other classes, like Templars for example.

mainly:
Green Dragon Blood
Reflective Scale
Spiked Armor

For these three, why? Your reasoning is not sufficient. I can understand reflective scales but GDB and the armor buff are not needed.

One is a long term buff (for his game that is a very long term buff). If is fabulous to have a long term to use the resource you are not using for damage and even spiked armor is not really a high damage skill.

I can easily agree with skills that are primarily damage skills we need stamina morphs but buff skills is a solidly bad idea. Spiked armor is not primarily a damage skill.

If you are a damage build I question why you are using GDB as it scales off your missing health, not even your max health. If you are using GDB to heal yourself on a damage build I would suggest you are doing it wrong. Vigor is so much better.

Dubhliam wrote: »

No.

All of these skill are utility skills, so they don't need to be stamina morphs to be more effective for stamina builds.
However, making them stamina morphs WOULD hurt other builds.

Honestly, Vigor and Rally are by far better heals than GDB, I don't even know what you are thinking.

Spiked Armor is not spammable.
Reflective Scales are too good and should not be spammable, ergo high magicka cost. Use it sparingly.

Either learn to manage your magicka pool or try to make your build have more mag sustain, like with Shacklebreaker.

and now i will try to answer all your points together.

First i believe stamina DK don't need more stamina options for damage skills. We have enough "with Venomous Claw", "Noxious Breath" and "Take flight" and these should be complemented with the Two handed skill line.

Second stamina DK doesn't have the best stamina management resource and this can only be affirmed by someone that never played a stamina Templar.

Templars have "Repetance", this skill cost 0 Magicka and you need only one corpse (if not more) to not only recover a lot of Stamina, but also health. This skill is so usefull for pve as for pvp.

The second skill Templars have is "Restoring focus", this skill cost a very low amount of stamina and provides Major resolver, Major ward and recovers X stamina every 1 second. This skill is the equivalent of "Spiked armor" with the difference this skill cost 2700 Magicka, that is crazy if you want to keep this buff up and use reflective scales or green dragon blood, not mainly because of heal, but for the stamina recovery.

Without Mention that templars have also stamina morphs for another 3 active damage skills including ultimate. The same as DK.

Now DK have only 3 stamina morphs damage skills. This is my reason why they need some support/ sustain stamina morph skill or at least have a reduced cost of magicka.

And i'm giving 3 options where only one could be balanced to fit more with stamina builds, not all of them.

I play with bot of my characters, stamina templar and DK and the only difference i notice is the burst damage. DK can ouput a lot of burst damage in a second, while Templar can ouput a lot of preasure. The most powerful skill DK have is "Take flight", that is the key for them.

Stamina DK needs to manage a lot more their magicka resourcen, i'm not saying that is impossible, it is possible, but with a very short margin of possibilities while Templars have it more easy. And i want to say also, that for DK reflective wings is very very important in pvp, it is a very powerfull skill, but with a very high cost and if you also need to use other skills, then is like you are always in the limits.

idk

teladoy wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

I'm main stam DK and I desagree.
We're powerfull enough.
We've a great resource management, compared to other stam classes.

idk wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Hi,

i believe DK need one stamina morph for one of the next skills. The reason is that DK stamina builds rely a lot in magicka usage in compare to other classes, like Templars for example.

mainly:
Green Dragon Blood
Reflective Scale
Spiked Armor

For these three, why? Your reasoning is not sufficient. I can understand reflective scales but GDB and the armor buff are not needed.

One is a long term buff (for his game that is a very long term buff). If is fabulous to have a long term to use the resource you are not using for damage and even spiked armor is not really a high damage skill.

I can easily agree with skills that are primarily damage skills we need stamina morphs but buff skills is a solidly bad idea. Spiked armor is not primarily a damage skill.

If you are a damage build I question why you are using GDB as it scales off your missing health, not even your max health. If you are using GDB to heal yourself on a damage build I would suggest you are doing it wrong. Vigor is so much better.

Dubhliam wrote: »

No.

All of these skill are utility skills, so they don't need to be stamina morphs to be more effective for stamina builds.
However, making them stamina morphs WOULD hurt other builds.

Honestly, Vigor and Rally are by far better heals than GDB, I don't even know what you are thinking.

Spiked Armor is not spammable.
Reflective Scales are too good and should not be spammable, ergo high magicka cost. Use it sparingly.

Either learn to manage your magicka pool or try to make your build have more mag sustain, like with Shacklebreaker.

and now i will try to answer all your points together.

First i believe stamina DK don't need more stamina options for damage skills.

You have a very solid point for damage builds. However, this is also a very solid reason the OP is very wrong.

So you start off trying to answer all the points made by arguing against your suggestion.

teladoy wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

I'm main stam DK and I desagree.
We're powerfull enough.
We've a great resource management, compared to other stam classes.

idk wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Hi,

i believe DK need one stamina morph for one of the next skills. The reason is that DK stamina builds rely a lot in magicka usage in compare to other classes, like Templars for example.

mainly:
Green Dragon Blood
Reflective Scale
Spiked Armor

For these three, why? Your reasoning is not sufficient. I can understand reflective scales but GDB and the armor buff are not needed.

One is a long term buff (for his game that is a very long term buff). If is fabulous to have a long term to use the resource you are not using for damage and even spiked armor is not really a high damage skill.

I can easily agree with skills that are primarily damage skills we need stamina morphs but buff skills is a solidly bad idea. Spiked armor is not primarily a damage skill.

If you are a damage build I question why you are using GDB as it scales off your missing health, not even your max health. If you are using GDB to heal yourself on a damage build I would suggest you are doing it wrong. Vigor is so much better.

Dubhliam wrote: »

No.

All of these skill are utility skills, so they don't need to be stamina morphs to be more effective for stamina builds.
However, making them stamina morphs WOULD hurt other builds.

Honestly, Vigor and Rally are by far better heals than GDB, I don't even know what you are thinking.

Spiked Armor is not spammable.
Reflective Scales are too good and should not be spammable, ergo high magicka cost. Use it sparingly.

Either learn to manage your magicka pool or try to make your build have more mag sustain, like with Shacklebreaker.

Second stamina DK doesn't have the best stamina management resource and this can only be affirmed by someone that never played a stamina Templar.

Templars have "Repetance", this skill cost 0 Magicka and you need only one corpse (if not more) to not only recover a lot of Stamina, but also health. This skill is so usefull for pve as for pvp.

The second skill Templars have is "Restoring focus", this skill cost a very low amount of stamina and provides Major resolver, Major ward and recovers X stamina every 1 second. This skill is the equivalent of "Spiked armor" with the difference this skill cost 2700 Magicka, that is crazy if you want to keep this buff up and use reflective scales or green dragon blood, not mainly because of heal, but for the stamina recovery.

Without Mention that templars have also stamina morphs for another 3 active damage skills including ultimate. The same as DK.

Now DK have only 3 stamina morphs damage skills. This is my reason why they need some support/ sustain stamina morph skill or at least have a reduced cost of magicka.

And i'm giving 3 options where only one could be balanced to fit more with stamina builds, not all of them.

None of this supports your reasoning either. All this suggests is that you should be playing a Templar. There are a great many things a DK can do that a Templar cannot.

In other words you have not provided anything that actually supports your statement. It really sounds like you are arguing against yourself.

Also, mentioning damage skills a Templar has is irrelevant to the OP as none of those skills in the OP are primarly damage skills. They are primarily buffs and utility.

TheInfernalRage

I don't think this is necessary. Waste of resources imho.

YOB

Just get Good.

probabkyravi

The OP is surely troll, those are the only mag skills Stam DK use. Stop.

Solariken

Why tf would you want those skills to cost stamina? Especially Petrify which gives you stamina...

I'm not even going to go into how stupid it is that magical abilities cost stamina. Might as well just call it green magicka.

Short answer: no

Long answer: F no.

teladoy

Solariken wrote: »

Why tf would you want those skills to cost stamina? Especially Petrify which gives you stamina...

I'm not even going to go into how stupid it is that magical abilities cost stamina. Might as well just call it green magicka.

Short answer: no

Long answer: F no.

Petrify gives me stamina? aha... you sure are reading the notes of The Elder Scrolls Cambodia.

idk wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

I'm main stam DK and I desagree.
We're powerfull enough.
We've a great resource management, compared to other stam classes.

idk wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Hi,

i believe DK need one stamina morph for one of the next skills. The reason is that DK stamina builds rely a lot in magicka usage in compare to other classes, like Templars for example.

mainly:
Green Dragon Blood
Reflective Scale
Spiked Armor

For these three, why? Your reasoning is not sufficient. I can understand reflective scales but GDB and the armor buff are not needed.

One is a long term buff (for his game that is a very long term buff). If is fabulous to have a long term to use the resource you are not using for damage and even spiked armor is not really a high damage skill.

I can easily agree with skills that are primarily damage skills we need stamina morphs but buff skills is a solidly bad idea. Spiked armor is not primarily a damage skill.

If you are a damage build I question why you are using GDB as it scales off your missing health, not even your max health. If you are using GDB to heal yourself on a damage build I would suggest you are doing it wrong. Vigor is so much better.

Dubhliam wrote: »

No.

All of these skill are utility skills, so they don't need to be stamina morphs to be more effective for stamina builds.
However, making them stamina morphs WOULD hurt other builds.

Honestly, Vigor and Rally are by far better heals than GDB, I don't even know what you are thinking.

Spiked Armor is not spammable.
Reflective Scales are too good and should not be spammable, ergo high magicka cost. Use it sparingly.

Either learn to manage your magicka pool or try to make your build have more mag sustain, like with Shacklebreaker.

and now i will try to answer all your points together.

First i believe stamina DK don't need more stamina options for damage skills.

You have a very solid point for damage builds. However, this is also a very solid reason the OP is very wrong.

So you start off trying to answer all the points made by arguing against your suggestion.

teladoy wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

I'm main stam DK and I desagree.
We're powerfull enough.
We've a great resource management, compared to other stam classes.

idk wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Hi,

i believe DK need one stamina morph for one of the next skills. The reason is that DK stamina builds rely a lot in magicka usage in compare to other classes, like Templars for example.

mainly:
Green Dragon Blood
Reflective Scale
Spiked Armor

For these three, why? Your reasoning is not sufficient. I can understand reflective scales but GDB and the armor buff are not needed.

One is a long term buff (for his game that is a very long term buff). If is fabulous to have a long term to use the resource you are not using for damage and even spiked armor is not really a high damage skill.

I can easily agree with skills that are primarily damage skills we need stamina morphs but buff skills is a solidly bad idea. Spiked armor is not primarily a damage skill.

If you are a damage build I question why you are using GDB as it scales off your missing health, not even your max health. If you are using GDB to heal yourself on a damage build I would suggest you are doing it wrong. Vigor is so much better.

Dubhliam wrote: »

No.

All of these skill are utility skills, so they don't need to be stamina morphs to be more effective for stamina builds.
However, making them stamina morphs WOULD hurt other builds.

Honestly, Vigor and Rally are by far better heals than GDB, I don't even know what you are thinking.

Spiked Armor is not spammable.
Reflective Scales are too good and should not be spammable, ergo high magicka cost. Use it sparingly.

Either learn to manage your magicka pool or try to make your build have more mag sustain, like with Shacklebreaker.

Second stamina DK doesn't have the best stamina management resource and this can only be affirmed by someone that never played a stamina Templar.

Templars have "Repetance", this skill cost 0 Magicka and you need only one corpse (if not more) to not only recover a lot of Stamina, but also health. This skill is so usefull for pve as for pvp.

The second skill Templars have is "Restoring focus", this skill cost a very low amount of stamina and provides Major resolver, Major ward and recovers X stamina every 1 second. This skill is the equivalent of "Spiked armor" with the difference this skill cost 2700 Magicka, that is crazy if you want to keep this buff up and use reflective scales or green dragon blood, not mainly because of heal, but for the stamina recovery.

Without Mention that templars have also stamina morphs for another 3 active damage skills including ultimate. The same as DK.

Now DK have only 3 stamina morphs damage skills. This is my reason why they need some support/ sustain stamina morph skill or at least have a reduced cost of magicka.

And i'm giving 3 options where only one could be balanced to fit more with stamina builds, not all of them.

None of this supports your reasoning either. All this suggests is that you should be playing a Templar. There are a great many things a DK can do that a Templar cannot.

In other words you have not provided anything that actually supports your statement. It really sounds like you are arguing against yourself.

Also, mentioning damage skills a Templar has is irrelevant to the OP as none of those skills in the OP are primarly damage skills. They are primarily buffs and utility.

I don't get your logic, where i'm arguing against my suggestions? I never do that.

I'm just saying that DK need one more stamina morph and i'm asking it for one "class" support or sustain skill, not even a damage skill.

The reason is that all the "class" sustain, defensive, support skills or whatever you wanna call it, are magicka. And i'm putting as example that is possible do it, comparing DK with Templars, that have exaclty the same but at least one stamina morph as a sustain ability. Even nightblades have one (Power Extraction).

So please try to understand the sense of the post. The only thing i'm doing here is give my point of view and my suggestion.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Petrify gives me stamina? aha... you sure are reading the notes of The Elder Scrolls Cambodia.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mountain's_Blessing

teladoy

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Petrify gives me stamina? aha... you sure are reading the notes of The Elder Scrolls Cambodia.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Mountain's_Blessing

You are talking about a passive! Any skill of that tree would do that! It doesn't count as skill itself!