comparison conceiled weapon vs suprise attack

Starlock

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

The damage difference between magicka and stam morphs is huge - both are viable in PvE though.

On my magblade, the speed buff when sneaking or invis is really nice (using Shadow Dancer since I have not gone vamp yet). It's also an ok spammable if in melee range (8988 damage tooltip, with minor berserk buff from merciless resolve). Invisibility guarantees a crit hit, and your target is stunned. That 8988 base damage, with a crit hit from behind (or invis from the front), becomes a 15,745 damage hit on the target - then finish them off while they are still stunned - if they are solo. Note that there is no difference in damage done when you are in front or behind the target.

By contrast on my stamblade, the Surprise Attack becomes really nice for one-shotting PvE solo mobs. The 8615 tooltip (after casting merciless resolve) translates into 34.6k (with crit, less if it does not crit) from behind. However, if I attack invisibly from in front of the foe, I only get 13,480-14,990 damage.

Basically, if you attack any target from BEHIND and from stealth, you get a 2.3 times damage multiplier (and a stun on target, even if the skill does not provide one) - but ONLY if you are using a stamina-based ability or basic weapon attack. Magicka-based weapon attacks do NOT get this bonus damage (and stun) - which is the point that the OP was trying to make.

PS: using the Thief mundus for higher crit chance on both toons.

Hot damn, that must be what I was noticing. I knew there had to be some weird mechanic I wasn’t remembering. Thanks for this!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Noctus wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Use swallow soul?

has lower damage and can be reflected. beeing hardcountered by dk is annoying and there is no other class skill that magblade can use. i might racechange that character of mine and go stamina. to many disadvantages

use force pulse? i mean pvp is about killing the other player and winning, who cares if what you use is not part of your class.

technohic

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

Vampire doesn't effect movement speed while using Shadowy Disguise, as it is invisibility not Sneak, and has no movement speed penalty.

This is a thread about Concealed Weapon. Somebody getting a speed buff from Concealed Weapon can safely be assumed to be sneaking. Indeed, the 55% buff mentioned above is almost certain 25% from sneaking with Concealed Weapon + 30% from Major Expedition + 0% from Vampire (or less likely set bonus) cancellation of the sneak speed penalty.

Correct?

Concealed weapon buffs speed just by being invisible. You do not have to be sneaking. In fact; often times on my magblade Id rather not burn the stam when I can sustaing cloaking.

ScruffyWhiskers

No buffs needed for concealed weapon. Just make it go thru dodge roll like it used to on accident.

JAwtunes

Starlock wrote: »

Pyr0xyrecuprotite wrote: »

The damage difference between magicka and stam morphs is huge - both are viable in PvE though.

On my magblade, the speed buff when sneaking or invis is really nice (using Shadow Dancer since I have not gone vamp yet). It's also an ok spammable if in melee range (8988 damage tooltip, with minor berserk buff from merciless resolve). Invisibility guarantees a crit hit, and your target is stunned. That 8988 base damage, with a crit hit from behind (or invis from the front), becomes a 15,745 damage hit on the target - then finish them off while they are still stunned - if they are solo. Note that there is no difference in damage done when you are in front or behind the target.

By contrast on my stamblade, the Surprise Attack becomes really nice for one-shotting PvE solo mobs. The 8615 tooltip (after casting merciless resolve) translates into 34.6k (with crit, less if it does not crit) from behind. However, if I attack invisibly from in front of the foe, I only get 13,480-14,990 damage.

Basically, if you attack any target from BEHIND and from stealth, you get a 2.3 times damage multiplier (and a stun on target, even if the skill does not provide one) - but ONLY if you are using a stamina-based ability or basic weapon attack. Magicka-based weapon attacks do NOT get this bonus damage (and stun) - which is the point that the OP was trying to make.

PS: using the Thief mundus for higher crit chance on both toons.

Hot damn, that must be what I was noticing. I knew there had to be some weird mechanic I wasn’t remembering. Thanks for this!

Just a reminder that they removed the Stam damage buff from stealth in pvp a few yrs ago. So while you can still see this in pve, it's not a viable combat mechanic in pve, its more of a RP thing. Snipes used to hit sooo hard with this old Stam dmg from sneak buff and the empower buff. Back then we didn't stay alive long enough to know snipe spam would health desync

laksikus

concealed weapon is totally fine as it is.
it has the same cost as other magicka spammables like swallow, elemental, and force pulse.
everyone of those has its own benefits.
swallow heals
force pulse does aoe or interupt
psijic gives elemental debuffs
concealed hits harder and gives more sneak speed