So Curse Eater stil be 8 seconds cooldown ?

Escorpiao_Noturno

Oh ZOS, come on, 8 seconds is A LOT.
Please make it 4 seconds.

Mayrael

Yup, bleeds meta train made sure it will be useless as all of the "purge" sets. It won't be changed because no.

GrumpyDuckling

The match up of Wrathstone I'm most looking forward to seeing:

5 Sheer Venom
5 Vicecannon (back bar)
2 Razor Shot
2 Skoria

vs.

5 Curse Eater
5 Wyrd Tree

Perform a direct heal with a magicka ability, and that should cleanse a total of 8 negative effects:

1) major defile from lethal arrow
2) poisoned status
3) poison injection dot
4) poison dot 1 (equipped poison)
5) poison dot 2 (equipped poison)
6) sheer venom dot
7) vice cannon dot
8) razor shot dot

Minno

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

The match up of Wrathstone I'm most looking forward to seeing:

5 Sheer Venom
5 Vicecannon (back bar)
2 Razor Shot
2 Skoria

vs.

5 Curse Eater
5 Wyrd Tree

Perform a direct heal with a magicka ability, and that should cleanse a total of 8 negative effects:

1) major defile from lethal arrow
2) poisoned status
3) poison injection dot
4) poison dot 1 (equipped poison)
5) poison dot 2 (equipped poison)
6) sheer venom dot
7) vice cannon dot
8) razor shot dot

9) shade minor maim
10) fear cc
11) fear snare
12) major fracture

brandonv516

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

The match up of Wrathstone I'm most looking forward to seeing:

5 Sheer Venom
5 Vicecannon (back bar)
2 Razor Shot
2 Skoria

vs.

5 Curse Eater
5 Wyrd Tree

Perform a direct heal with a magicka ability, and that should cleanse a total of 8 negative effects:

1) major defile from lethal arrow
2) poisoned status
3) poison injection dot
4) poison dot 1 (equipped poison)
5) poison dot 2 (equipped poison)
6) sheer venom dot
7) vice cannon dot
8) razor shot dot

Purgepot loses everytime. Too much cooldown.

GrumpyDuckling

Minno wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

The match up of Wrathstone I'm most looking forward to seeing:

5 Sheer Venom
5 Vicecannon (back bar)
2 Razor Shot
2 Skoria

vs.

5 Curse Eater
5 Wyrd Tree

Perform a direct heal with a magicka ability, and that should cleanse a total of 8 negative effects:

1) major defile from lethal arrow
2) poisoned status
3) poison injection dot
4) poison dot 1 (equipped poison)
5) poison dot 2 (equipped poison)
6) sheer venom dot
7) vice cannon dot
8) razor shot dot

9) shade minor maim
10) fear cc
11) fear snare
12) major fracture

Wait, wait, wait. You can't use 9, 10, 11, and 12 until I get my cooldowns back

Escorpiao_Noturno

Forget about curse eater..

ZOS, change Wyrd Tree's Blessing to proc every 4 seconds

Mayrael

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

The match up of Wrathstone I'm most looking forward to seeing:

5 Sheer Venom
5 Vicecannon (back bar)
2 Razor Shot
2 Skoria

vs.

5 Curse Eater
5 Wyrd Tree

Perform a direct heal with a magicka ability, and that should cleanse a total of 8 negative effects:

1) major defile from lethal arrow
2) poisoned status
3) poison injection dot
4) poison dot 1 (equipped poison)
5) poison dot 2 (equipped poison)
6) sheer venom dot
7) vice cannon dot
8) razor shot dot

Yeah... Sure... Nice on paper but imagine this:
I apply bleed to you, you use heal. Which one set will proc? Both? Even if not, right after I apply that bleed again, your second set procs again and you're left with ~6s/13s cool down on your cleanse sets, meaning I can still push you like crazy while you have no defense, no damage just sustain.

Blackleopardex

Yeah, the people that scream the loudest get what they want, some don't even to log on to pts.

sly007

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Yeah, the people that scream the loudest get what they want, some don't even to log on to pts.

True.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Maybe 1 purge every 4 seconds would be a nicer playstyle, you could argue your case for that...

The complaints however where justified, not because the set was "too good" but because the set was SO good that it would become a required pick for at-least a few players in cyro zergs, which would just feed into their un-killability, and the prevalence of the zerg meta in general.

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Yeah, the people that scream the loudest get what they want, some don't even to log on to pts.

When people get what they want, other people say this.
When people dont get what they want, they say ZOS never listens.

ZOS do their own internal testing, have their own internal numbers. They listen to good, reasoned arguments, not "dont nerf this set because I liked the old version plez". My response to almost every thread talking about how a recent change was bad, was try to understand why the change was made. Work with ZOS, listen to what they say, and make suggestions accordingly. Listening to somone is a good first step to get them to listen to you.

Escorpiao_Noturno

So ZOS want to see my arguments to leave this set with 4 seconds cooldown
If yes, I could do say.
But I doubt they care or am I wrong dear ZOS ?

Mayrael

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Maybe 1 purge every 4 seconds would be a nicer playstyle, you could argue your case for that...

The complaints however where justified, not because the set was "too good" but because the set was SO good that it would become a required pick for at-least a few players in cyro zergs, which would just feed into their un-killability, and the prevalence of the zerg meta in general.

Blackleopardex wrote: »

Yeah, the people that scream the loudest get what they want, some don't even to log on to pts.

When people get what they want, other people say this.
When people dont get what they want, they say ZOS never listens.

ZOS do their own internal testing, have their own internal numbers. They listen to good, reasoned arguments, not "dont nerf this set because I liked the old version plez". My response to almost every thread talking about how a recent change was bad, was try to understand why the change was made. Work with ZOS, listen to what they say, and make suggestions accordingly. Listening to somone is a good first step to get them to listen to you.

Problem with ZOS is that they don't know what is a gentle approach. When we say something. Seeds to be toned down, they destroy it into uselessness. When they have an idea how to make something more popular they give us things that are stupidly OP.

ChunkyCat

ZoS doesn’t care about your debuffs. They don’t even care about this set. They figured it would look good to their target audience if they at least attempted to revamp useless sets.

If the vocal majority is pleased, then they’ve achieved the same result they intended when they decided to change old sets: to give the appearance of trying to improve things.

Mission accomplished, so the set doesn’t need further looking into.

Now they can focus their time on other things, like racial passives and debugging Necromancers.