Why the developers never listen to the player base?

WeerW3ir

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

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SaintSubwayy

sounds like someone is triggered af

but jeah altmer stam passive is utter garbage, plain and simple

Lord_Eomer

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to was it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

Well DPS parses shows Altmers rocking in DPS race and after CP increases max stat bonus. They will be more than fine.

WeerW3ir

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to was it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

Well DPS parses shows Altmers rocking in DPS race and after CP increases max stat bonus. They will be more than fine.

and what about the upkeeping? the reco. what you lose?

validifyedneb18_ESO

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

I guess ZOS can just remove it any give nothing in return. That works too.

Altmer are already top magic DD. They dont need more damage. Take your utility passive or feel free to ignore it.

Nords dont neeeeedd cold resistance. Khajiit dont neeeeeed sneak radius reduction.

[snip]

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Darlon

you mean: why don't they listen to the loud vocal minority.....

VaranisArano

The Devs listen.

And then the Devs do what they want.

Listening does not always equal doing what the playerbase wants.

Exhibit A: Morrowind Sustain Nerfs
Exhibit B: #Nerfmire

Turelus

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

I think the problem is they are listening, Altmer week one was fine, but people complained, now we have what we have because they listened and fixed it.

ccmedaddy

Because 90% of the player feedback on the forums is garbage. I wish ZOS ignored player feedback more often and focused on performance issues.

WeerW3ir

Turelus wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

I think the problem is they are listening, Altmer week one was fine, but people complained, now we have what we have because they listened and fixed it.

'fixed it' you say?

Princess_Ciri

Turelus wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

I think the problem is they are listening, Altmer week one was fine, but people complained, now we have what we have because they listened and fixed it.

That's like me saying to a Doctor 'Hey I've got a headache can I get some tablets please?' and Doctor ZOS says 'sure I can fix that,' and gives me a bandage for my arm.

Now I have a headache and a useless bandage for something that isn't hurting.

That's a metaphor for these idiotic Altmer changes. Altmer needed more dps or some way to sustain. Now they have less dps and no means of sustaining, but hey, they get stamina (which no magicka character has ever needed).

Seraphayel

I'm super happy that ZOS for once didn't listen to the complaints. As an Altmer I like the Stamina return for PvP.

Starlock

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Devs listen.

And then the Devs do what they want.

Listening does not always equal doing what the playerbase wants.

Doubly so when "the playerbase" is not some hivemind that all wants the same thing. Exhibit A: the Time Stop debacle.

Ladislao

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Devs listen.

And then the Devs do what they want.

Listening does not always equal doing what the playerbase wants.

This.

Moreover, ZOS decisions are usually much better than all sorts of suggestions from players. Just the loud vocal minority does not understand it at once.

Destyran

I’m more concerned about me getting on my tanks Templar and getting stamina from BoL Hahahah can’t wait to be even more tanky

Yamenstein

Princess_Ciri wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

I think the problem is they are listening, Altmer week one was fine, but people complained, now we have what we have because they listened and fixed it.

That's like me saying to a Doctor 'Hey I've got a headache can I get some tablets please?' and Doctor ZOS says 'sure I can fix that,' and gives me a bandage for my arm.

Now I have a headache and a useless bandage for something that isn't hurting.

That's a metaphor for these idiotic Altmer changes. Altmer needed more dps or some way to sustain. Now they have less dps and no means of sustaining, but hey, they get stamina (which no magicka character has ever needed).

But its relative. Altmer are still out performing on DPS. They can't have awesome DPS and sustain...

They don't even have the worst sustain.

Ogou

As you can see, it's not like the whole player base is united in what they want so they obviously can't satisfy everyone.

ezio45

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to was it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

Well DPS parses shows Altmers rocking in DPS race and after CP increases max stat bonus. They will be more than fine.

On magblade, a class you don't need sustain on

clocksstoppe

You and that whiny altmer spam thread kid aren't the playerbase

ezio45

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

I guess ZOS can just remove it any give nothing in return. That works too.

Altmer are already top magic DD. They dont need more damage. Take your utility passive or feel free to ignore it.

Nords dont neeeeedd cold resistance. Khajiit dont neeeeeed sneak radius reduction.

[snip]

[Edit for bait.]

Again, on magblade where sustain isn't important

And sneak radius, and cold resistance are at least useful. They have always been uselful. They actively help in fights

And go right ahead, take spell recharge.

ezio45

Ladislao wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Devs listen.

And then the Devs do what they want.

Listening does not always equal doing what the playerbase wants.

This.

Moreover, ZOS decisions are usually much better than all sorts of suggestions from players. Just the loud vocal minority does not understand it at once.

Ya, except for that wonderful shield change when everyone wanted a major minor system... What zos gave us was so much better... Or the removal of sustain we still have issue with 2 yrs later... Or removing stun from frag and buffing runecage and then nerfing it to a worse stat than it started 2 patches later...

But of course zos knows what they're doing....

ezio45

Yamenstein wrote: »

Princess_Ciri wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

I think the problem is they are listening, Altmer week one was fine, but people complained, now we have what we have because they listened and fixed it.

That's like me saying to a Doctor 'Hey I've got a headache can I get some tablets please?' and Doctor ZOS says 'sure I can fix that,' and gives me a bandage for my arm.

Now I have a headache and a useless bandage for something that isn't hurting.

That's a metaphor for these idiotic Altmer changes. Altmer needed more dps or some way to sustain. Now they have less dps and no means of sustaining, but hey, they get stamina (which no magicka character has ever needed).

But its relative. Altmer are still out performing on DPS. They can't have awesome DPS and sustain...

They don't even have the worst sustain.

We had it before the changes......

reprosal

Magblade sustain isnt as good since the funnel health cost increase and assassin’s will not being free.

validifyedneb18_ESO

ezio45 wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

I guess ZOS can just remove it any give nothing in return. That works too.

Altmer are already top magic DD. They dont need more damage. Take your utility passive or feel free to ignore it.

Nords dont neeeeedd cold resistance. Khajiit dont neeeeeed sneak radius reduction.

[snip]

[Edit for bait.]

Again, on magblade where sustain isn't important

And sneak radius, and cold resistance are at least useful. They have always been uselful. They actively help in fights

And go right ahead, take spell recharge.

Does a Dunmer DD need fire resistance, when with or without it they would survive anyway? It makes no difference, its a "oh. Thats alright" passive. As I said.

If you think a bit of extra stamina wont help you stay alive in some encounters then quite frankly you need to do more PVE.

SpiderCultist

Fortunately I only have 2 high elves

(:

ezio45

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. go to hell with this *** zos.

I guess ZOS can just remove it any give nothing in return. That works too.

Altmer are already top magic DD. They dont need more damage. Take your utility passive or feel free to ignore it.

Nords dont neeeeedd cold resistance. Khajiit dont neeeeeed sneak radius reduction.

Quit complaining.

Again, on magblade where sustain isn't important

And sneak radius, and cold resistance are at least useful. They have always been uselful. They actively help in fights

And go right ahead, take spell recharge.

Does a Dunmer DD need fire resistance, when with or without it they would survive anyway? It makes no difference, its a "oh. Thats alright" passive. As I said.

If you think a bit of extra stamina wont help you stay alive in some encounters then quite frankly you need to do more PVE.

FIRE RESISTANCE IS HUGE IN PVE... are you f'ing kidding me.... Fire damage is literally everywhere... Hof, asylum, cr,

And no I haven't ever really had a problem with Stam sustain on my mag toon in any of those places... Only mag sustain

validifyedneb18_ESO

ezio45 wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to was it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

Well DPS parses shows Altmers rocking in DPS race and after CP increases max stat bonus. They will be more than fine.

On magblade, a class you don't need sustain on

Or Magden, a class you dont need sustain on, or MagSorc, a class you dont need sustai-- oh wait... with warhorn, orbs, elemental drain and regen food you dont need sustain on anything... hu. Almost like you keep posting the same argument even though its patently wrong and we have damage sims to prove it.

ezio45

reprosal wrote: »

Magblade sustain isnt as good since the funnel health cost increase and assassin’s will not being free.

Still doing better than at least sorc and probably every other mag class... I'm sure DK is worse than nightblade.. nightblade might tie with magplar. Magden probably has the best but hey they can't dps soooo

luen79rwb17_ESO

What? Lol ZOS is like the company that listens the most to their players. This year's chapter is a perfect example with the khajiit zone, drangons and necros!

Your issue is with your class getting "balanced". Altmers were far too good at everything. Now they still fullfil their lore and get a very good utility in the process.

Grom4e

guys. what you rested against this DPS?This is not the most important part of the game,the return of stamina is definitely a buff in pvp.and in pve and so everything is normally passed . Altmer in any case will remain the best mag DPS
The Best stam dps - orc
The best mag dps - altmer
The best stam sustain - redguard
The best mana sustain - breton
Tank - nord
Universal - the Dunmer Khajiit
pvp kiter - wood elf
argo - heal-tank/universal pvp

It's all logical and everything in its place I believe

zaria

WeerW3ir wrote: »

and they only listen to money....

why cannot change back the altmer to what it was? why the *** they need stamina. THEY NOT NEED IT. [snip]

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Compare Dunmer and Altmer.
regarding magic dps they are equal expect Altmer having a bit more Magic. Altmer has stamina regen Dunmer has stamina.
For stamina its the same in that dunmer has less but here Dunmer has usless magic but Orc has health and health regen.