Wanna build a new PC - any recommendations?

codestripper

Okay @Torbschka @profundidob16_ESO , here's what I've got so far, this leaves around $100 for a case which should be more than enough for a decent one: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/XJqPkd

Here's my reasoning behind everything:
Intel I7-8700k - Honestly the 9000 series is a bit overpriced since it just came out and this will do everything just fine. I went for the I7 because, lets face it, nobody needs an I9 and it's cooler to say I7 than I5 lol. (You can get the I5 8600K and you shouldn't see too much of a difference in performance. But this is just personal preference. If you get the other one get a Samsung EVO SSD or a CoolerMaster/Corsair/ThermalTake PSU)

Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L - It's RGB which is cool, also the DB rating of the fans is extremely low for having 2. It also has decently good reviews. If you want quiet and performance this is the one to get.

MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX - Honestly, didn't really put a lot of thought into this, it's a good motherboard, by a good company, with a Z390 chipset. Can't really go wrong there. You can research this a bit more and if you like another one better go for it

Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB - Cheap DDR4 RAM by a good company with good reviews. Also 16GB is more than enough for ESO and whatever else you've got running unless you're some sort of heavy renderer.

Western Digital - Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 - Good solid M.2 SSD with 500GB which is more than enough for applications and your OS. Put games and other stuff on the HDD and you're golden. If you really want you can put ESO on it too.

Seagate - Barracuda 2 TB - Good company, good HDD, I've had it for years with hardly any issues.

Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB - I never cheap out on graphics cards and always try to get a new generation one. Especially because this generation has some pretty decently priced ones for a heck of a lot of performance. Plus, with your budget, I think it pairs nicely.

XFX - TS 750 W 80+ Gold - Questionable company, but good reviews and a Gold rating so hey, there's that. You can see if you can find a good deal on like a corsair or thermal take one instead but this will do the job.

Microsoft - Windows 10 - What are you? a monster that hasn't switched from 7 yet? yeah Windows 10.

personman_145

For a case I have a Cooler Master HAF 912 or something like that. has great airflow and lots of places to mount additional fans. Pretty happy with it. Also it has ports on the back to run in water-cooling if you want.

MikaHR

Unless you use large AIO cooler and delid your 8600k/8700k that CPU will overheat all the time especially at 5+ GHz. Skip it if you dont know what youre doing.

And if you are not doing that AMD Ryzen is much better and cheaper as well as cooler and much less power hungry alternative, R5 2600/2600x will do same exact job for much less $$, less power hungry, less heat -> much more quiet without need for industrial grade cooler.

Or even better, wait 2-3 months for new Ryzen 3 series as Intel is not a competition with its hot and power hungry CPUs.

codestripper

MikaHR wrote: »

Unless you use large AIO cooler and delid your 8600k/8700k that CPU will overheat all the time especially at 5 GHz. Skip it if you dont know what youre doing.

I included a large AIO cooler in that build, also, why on earth would you run it at 5GHz? Just run at stock speeds or maybe OC it to 4GHz. No need to go that hardcore.

codestripper

personman_145 wrote: »

For a case I have a Cooler Master HAF 912 or something like that. has great airflow and lots of places to mount additional fans. Pretty happy with it. Also it has ports on the back to run in water-cooling if you want.

Yep that would be perfect for the build, good cheap case that's very easy to cable manage. That was my first case as well. Very well ventilated too

Ydrisselle

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Ryzen 5 gen 2, Nvidia GTX 1060 or 1080 if you can find a good price, Corsair DDR4 3000mhz memory at least 8gb but 16gb is better. I prefer EVGA for my power supplies. MSI makes excellent motherboards. Use pcpartpicker.com as it also compares prices across several merchants.

noob in denial wrote: »

Get this monitor: samsung 27" CJG50, 2k 144hz, VA panel. Get a 480/500GB SSD. A 550-600w power supply, rated gold or higher. GTX 1070/1060 gpu if you go for the monitor i suggested. If it's something with 1080p resolution, 1060/rx590 is enough.
For cpu you want something with strong single core performance, so minimum is ryzen 5 2600 from AMD or 9600k from intel. Ram, anything dual channel at around ~3000mhz, yes ram frequency matters. Also, don't buy cheapest motherboard, if you go with AMD ryzen, get a motherboard am4+ with chipset x470, or z390 intel. For this game, you will want to overclock.
Intel has better single core performance,+10-15% but there's a catch; they are extremely hot, cost much more and for the price of a 6core intel you can get 6/8core amd with 12/16threads.

Right now I wouldn't choose a GeForce 1060/1070, rather a 2060. It's not too expensive, and it's performance is definitely better.

personman_145

Here is the heatsink and fan I bought: https://smile.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-212E-20PK-R2-Direct-Contact/dp/B005O65JXI/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=heatsink+and+fan&qid=1549897352&s=gateway&sr=8-6


Was a pain to install because I wanted to get it right and not break anything, but with the instructions and a couple youtube videos, I was able to figure it out.

MikaHR

codestripper wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Unless you use large AIO cooler and delid your 8600k/8700k that CPU will overheat all the time especially at 5 GHz. Skip it if you dont know what youre doing.

I included a large AIO cooler in that build, also, why on earth would you run it at 5GHz? Just run at stock speeds or maybe OC it to 4GHz. No need to go that hardcore.

Then you dont have to waste money on 8700 and buy R5 2600/2600x which are much cheaper/cooler/less power hungry and will do similar job.

Intel is only worth it if you go all the way with OCing to 5+ GHz.

codestripper

MikaHR wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

MikaHR wrote: »

Unless you use large AIO cooler and delid your 8600k/8700k that CPU will overheat all the time especially at 5 GHz. Skip it if you dont know what youre doing.

I included a large AIO cooler in that build, also, why on earth would you run it at 5GHz? Just run at stock speeds or maybe OC it to 4GHz. No need to go that hardcore.

Then you dont have to waste money on 8700 and buy R5 2600/2600x which are much cheaper/cooler/less power hungry.

Intel is only worth it if you go all the way with OCing to 5+ GHz.

eh I would leave that up to personal preference. I've never had a problem with Intel CPUs whereas I've had many with AMD. Some people are probably the opposite. i can go ahead and include an AMD version of the build for OP in a few min.

MikaHR

Well if you want to throw $200 down thw toilet, thats is your prerogative.

As i said, if you are not into heavy OCing (and all that goes with it like delidding and huge cooler so it doesnt overheat), dont waste money on Intel CPUs.

codestripper

MikaHR wrote: »

Well if you want to throw $200 down thw toilet, thats is your prerogative.

As i said, if you are not into heavy OCing (and all that goes with it like delidding and huge cooler so it doesnt overheat), dont waste money on Intel CPUs.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X/3937vs3956

Well I guess it does have ever so slightly more value yes (7%) but it has a lot more performance. So yes, I'd say either would make solid choices.

Edit: Even the 8600k is better performance for the same value:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X/3941vs3956

FlyingSwan

MikaHR wrote: »

Well if you want to throw $200 down thw toilet, thats is your prerogative.

As i said, if you are not into heavy OCing (and all that goes with it like delidding and huge cooler so it doesnt overheat), dont waste money on Intel CPUs.

If I were purchasing my CPU now, I would be considering Ryzen for sure. ESO is somewhat alone in leaning towards single-threaded performance, if you look at the newer games, they do benefit from core counts and Vulkan & DX12 will permit this more frequently as time moves forward.

Nemesis7884

wait for ryzen 3 and the next gpu generation

personman_145

How are the newer Ryzens? I remember when the original Athlon came out, they were cheaper than intel and kicked butt in performance, I switched back over to intel though. The Phenoms and stuff around that gen didn't seem all that hot. I'm not brand loyal, I just try to get the best at any given time.

codestripper

Here's the AMD version per @MikaHR 's recommendation: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZTfnV6

It'll have a bit less performance but it costs less, is quite a bit newer, and will still get the job done effectively. It also runs a bit cooler which is always nice.

(Spent the money saved from the CPU on a better PSU and SSD. You have a bit more play money now too)

JAwtunes

I built mine on a budget about 18 months ago now I think. I built it around a medium spec graphics card (RX 480) and a very budget Intel Pentium G4560 (It was the first Pentium with HT as I recall).

I have a decent PU and decent mb so am planning on upgrading in a year or so, but despite what many people have said re. CPU, the setup is fine for ESO and no worse than my old PC (OC i5) which I broke with coffee!

Torbschka

Ive waited a bit , how do U find these Specs?

CPU Intel Core i5-8600K
Mainboard MSI Z370 SLI Plus
Grafikkarte Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8GB)
RAM 16GB G.Skill RipJaws V
SSD 500GB MX500 SSD
Festplatte 1TB Toshiba Performance
Netzteil 550W Be quiet! Straight Power 11
Kühler Be quiet! Dark Rock 4
Gehäuse Fractal Design Meshify C Dark

Will I bei able to OC i5 with this Setup to 4,8 and would this bei enough for medium view distance, Low shadows, No reflections - Minimum 50 fps in any content?

profundidob16_ESO

Torbschka wrote: »

Ive waited a bit , how do U find these Specs?

CPU Intel Core i5-8600K
Mainboard MSI Z370 SLI Plus
Grafikkarte Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8GB)
RAM 16GB G.Skill RipJaws V
SSD 500GB MX500 SSD
Festplatte 1TB Toshiba Performance
Netzteil 550W Be quiet! Straight Power 11
Kühler Be quiet! Dark Rock 4
Gehäuse Fractal Design Meshify C Dark

Will I bei able to OC i5 with this Setup to 4,8 and would this bei enough for medium view distance, Low shadows, No reflections - Minimum 50 fps in any content?

No you will not because there are 2 things wrong with this setup:

1. Your cpu cooler can't handle the 5ghz OC. Replace with a dual or triple AIO cooler

2. The chosen PSU is not strong enough and will cause your pc to hard shut power off in the middle of the game at some times. Replace with at least 750W or 850W version

kinguardian

I am so happy with this thread as I am in need of a new PC.

I love gaming and want to have windows 7 and the newest windows on it.
Windows 7 because I want to be able to play some older games.

I play on my tv which is a LG
model 42LM660T-ZA

I love playing games and notice now that my pc has problems with the newer games. I want to play a lot of games with my graphics high because I want it to look good.

Budget is no problem so what would be an absolute dream pc. Could you put what is what because I dont really know pc language that well.

Huyen

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Ryzen 5 gen 2, Nvidia GTX 1060 or 1080 if you can find a good price, Corsair DDR4 3000mhz memory at least 8gb but 16gb is better. I prefer EVGA for my power supplies. MSI makes excellent motherboards. Use pcpartpicker.com as it also compares prices across several merchants.

Ddr 4 memory is why I switched to ps4 instead of replacing busted mb. Be prepared to spend a *** on components if stuff breaks and is outdated.

barney2525

I use an HP machine, i7-8700 with Nvidia GTX 1060 video card

Runs 45 - 60 FPS outdoors in crowded areas, 85 - 100 FPS indoors and in dungeons

Don't play Cyradil so I don't know about the lag issues people complain about there

personman_145

kinguardian wrote: »

I am so happy with this thread as I am in need of a new PC.

I love gaming and want to have windows 7 and the newest windows on it.
Windows 7 because I want to be able to play some older games.

I play on my tv which is a LG
model 42LM660T-ZA

I love playing games and notice now that my pc has problems with the newer games. I want to play a lot of games with my graphics high because I want it to look good.

Budget is no problem so what would be an absolute dream pc. Could you put what is what because I dont really know pc language that well.

You don't need to go for I7 unless you have a use for hyperthreading. Games don't really use it. I went with an I5 8600k, but there might be newer chips out now. The i5 9xxx or something.

kinguardian

personman_145 wrote: »

kinguardian wrote: »

I am so happy with this thread as I am in need of a new PC.

I love gaming and want to have windows 7 and the newest windows on it.
Windows 7 because I want to be able to play some older games.

I play on my tv which is a LG
model 42LM660T-ZA

I love playing games and notice now that my pc has problems with the newer games. I want to play a lot of games with my graphics high because I want it to look good.

Budget is no problem so what would be an absolute dream pc. Could you put what is what because I dont really know pc language that well.

You don't need to go for I7 unless you have a use for hyperthreading. Games don't really use it. I went with an I5 8600k, but there might be newer chips out now. The i5 9xxx or something.

What is hyperthreading?

profundidob16_ESO

kinguardian wrote: »

personman_145 wrote: »

kinguardian wrote: »

I am so happy with this thread as I am in need of a new PC.

I love gaming and want to have windows 7 and the newest windows on it.
Windows 7 because I want to be able to play some older games.

I play on my tv which is a LG
model 42LM660T-ZA

I love playing games and notice now that my pc has problems with the newer games. I want to play a lot of games with my graphics high because I want it to look good.

Budget is no problem so what would be an absolute dream pc. Could you put what is what because I dont really know pc language that well.

You don't need to go for I7 unless you have a use for hyperthreading. Games don't really use it. I went with an I5 8600k, but there might be newer chips out now. The i5 9xxx or something.

What is hyperthreading?

Hyperthreading is an Intel technology on some but not all cpu's that allows each physical cpu core to provide itself as 2 different virtual cores (with half power), effectively doubling the multi-thread processing power but only for particular software tasks that are capable of making use of that many cores at once because the load to process is known up front and can be divided over so many virtual cores. (for example videorendering)

ESO on the other hand is quite the opposite and puts most of its load on 1 single core, oversaturating its singlethread performance and making it the primary bottleneck to your fps. That is the reason why for ESO, a cheaper cpu without hyperthreading but overclocked to 5HGZ will perfom alot better than a super expensive hyper-threaded 20core cpu that barely runs at 3.6GHZ.

kinguardian

Thank you for explaining 😊

huntgod_ESO

I'd look at the HP M.2's, they are slower 1800 r/w but you get a full 1tb for $115 or 2tb for $215 and it is still blazing fast.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820167462

For bulk media storage, I'd buy an external WB Easystore for around $200. Or even a 2 bay NAS, you can actually strip those 10tb drives out of the easystores, they are rebadged red drives so perfect for a 24/7 NAS.

I us a fast 1tb m.2 for OS and games, then have a 7200 3tb drive for other programs and stuff, then backup and media storage is on the external 10tb drive. Works well, will get around to setting up a NAS at some point, but my PC runs 24/7 so it has no trouble doing double duty as my media server as well.

Androconium

Wow. A PhD?

And you can't identify the most appropriate place to undertake research?

Here some random strategy:

Go to your local IT megastore
Let them sell you something
Cope.

I myself have no qualified education. Therefore, following my advice would be somewhat irresponsible on your part.

Thanks for paying.

Torbschka

Androconium wrote: »

Wow. A PhD?

And you can't identify the most appropriate place to undertake research?

Here some random strategy:

Go to your local IT megastore
Let them sell you something
Cope.

I myself have no qualified education. Therefore, following my advice would be somewhat irresponsible on your part.

Thanks for paying.

Well played, Sir.

MLGProPlayer

You just finished your PhD. Splurge.

Get an RTX 2080 + i5 8600. Make sure to also get a 120 or 144 hz monitor.

You could also wait a few months for the new Ryzen series. They should be about $100 cheaper than their Intel equivalent. Single core performance is supposed to be a lot better on these than previous series.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

1500 for the tower or for everything?

I wont spit out a parts list, but I will give some general things to consider.

For a graphics card, I would suggest a Nvidia 10 series or newer, as they support interaction with freesync and Gsync monitors. It's a big improvement. The flipside is, that if you budget is 1500, dont spend 1000 on a card, or you are going to create bottlenecks elsewhere.

This game is very CPU intensive, so i would look to get a decent CPU. I prefer intel. I have an i7 7700k (2 generations old at this point), and it's more than enough. It's easy to spend a lot on a CPU, so while you want to make sure you dont cheap out, dont go overboard either.

SSD. This goes without saying, but an Solid state drive for your game files should basically be mandatory.

DDR4 memory is also a must. Watch your CPU and Motherboard compatibility. Most of what you are looking at is going to be DDR4 memory, but just double check. The difference between DDR3 and DDR4 is pretty significant.

Peripherals. The big three are Mouse, Keyboard, and monitor. Dont cheap out here. After all, it's how you interface with your system. It blows me away how often I see these amazing rigs being displayed on a crappy monitor. The ultimate goal of system building is to not have an obvious bottleneck somewhere.