Wanna build a new PC - any recommendations?

Torbschka

Hey,

since I almost finished my Ph.D. and got a huge Job Promotion so I try to build a new PC around 1.500 $, I could spend more but I just wanted to set myself a Limit on my "Hobby" - if that makes any sense^^.
Well, Im posting here becuase the technical Forum is only for Suppor/Issues, if that is incorrect please put this thread in the right direction - thank you!

Right now I just have a very Budget PC, most important:

- i3-6100
- rx 460

I really want to have at least good FPS in Cyrodiil (FPS =/= LAG, right?) on "low/medium" Settings and in Trials medium to high Settings with around 60 fps? I dont know that much about PC, but any1 of u have a up to date pc spec or could give me some recommendations? As far as I know, eso is very CPU (single core?!) dependet, so a strong Intel would make sense, i7-8100?
Well, is it even possible to get good fps in cyrodiil/Trials in this game with a 1500 pc or am I dreaming, I have really now clue about that stuff :-D ?
I do live in Germany if that matters.

Thanks to any1 who give me some Infos about good CPU/GPU for ESO.

Torbschka

Oh and if its possible, I really wanna make it a very silent pc, since I game on my TV in living room

Giobonello

I only have a GTX 970& i7 4790k and usually get between 80 to 100FPS on 1440p monitor with most settings on high in most zones. However, as soon as I get into populated towns the frames drop considerably. One of my guildies has a much better rig than me and only running 1080p with the same exact issues. I think no matter how good your rig is you will significantly large frame drops in populated areas. It's just the nature of most MMOs.

dovakiin5574

Ryzen 5 gen 2, Nvidia GTX 1060 or 1080 if you can find a good price, Corsair DDR4 3000mhz memory at least 8gb but 16gb is better. I prefer EVGA for my power supplies. MSI makes excellent motherboards. Use pcpartpicker.com as it also compares prices across several merchants.

Torbschka

Giobonello wrote: »

I only have a GTX 970& i7 4790k and usually get between 80 to 100FPS on 1440p monitor with most settings on high in most zones. However, as soon as I get into populated towns the frames drop considerably. One of my guildies has a much better rig than me and only running 1080p with the same exact issues. I think no matter how good your rig is you will significantly large frame drops in populated areas. It's just the nature of most MMOs.

Thanks for sharing - though now im hooked. Does that mean, no matter what I spend, I will get 20-30 fps in cyrodiil/Trials? If that is the case and it is not possible to get good fps with a 1500 bucks PC for "a 5 year old game" I consider to just Play with my current PC.

Since I also get 80-100 fps in overland Content and 60-80 in 4 man dungeons and *** fps in cyrodiil/Trials on medium Settings lol.

Maybe I should save it for a new car then lol

SpiderCultist

go intel no matter what, trust me

ESO still relies heavily on single core performance

as for graphics card I would also go after nvidia, it is a safe bet

Torbschka

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Ryzen 5 gen 2, Nvidia GTX 1060 or 1080 if you can find a good price, Corsair DDR4 3000mhz memory at least 8gb but 16gb is better. I prefer EVGA for my power supplies. MSI makes excellent motherboards. Use pcpartpicker.com as it also compares prices across several merchants.

with the post above u in mind - will I get good fps in cyrodiil/Trials with that Setup or is it, as already stated, just impossible?

mxxo

For GPU just connect your PC with the original Gameboy.

For Cpu use something like 256 Core @10Ghz.

FlyingSwan

I have an 8700K and 1080Ti (I play in 2k), my PC is silent. You need a nice large airy case for silent running, and large fans that spin more slowly but move more air.

My GPU is only worked to about 40% capacity by ESO, so I think a 1080Ti is overkill for this game, CPU is king and you want a high clock speed not necessarily high core count. But you will get performance improvements if you upgrade your i3, as it as a low clock and only 2 real cores. Get a 4 genuine core CPU (i5) or better with a high clock speed.

Trials and PvP are often painful, even on my machine I sometimes have to quit trials. It's the ESO back-end which causes this, not the clients.

reprosal

Even running an i7 8700k oc’ed at 5.0 stable and 1080ti SLi (i run single for ESO because ‘optimization’). I run 1440p and get 144 overland, 120ish in town and 60-80 in trials. For trials like Hel Ra where the draw distance is huge it will be in the 60’s. So keep that in mind.

Itzmichi

You will always have lag spikes and frame drops, that's just how eso is. Poorly optimized. I personally just switched a half year ago to a amd ryzen x2700, due to price compared to the marginal difference a Intel CPU offers. The CPU is at 10% at most with all the regular additional tasks I. E discord etc. Running it with a Nvidia ge force 1070ti on a Asus Prime X470 Pro have the settings all on ultra but adjusted the particle distance have 50-60 fps in all the zones and trials, sometimes obviously frame drops.

If you just wanna play and aim for the best performance you might want an Intel CPU and a decent amount of ddr4 ram like at least 16gb(One of mine broke, so I'm only running at 8 GB and with discord and Spotify and stuff it's reaching its limit) I'd say and one of the new gen graphic cards should do the task easily, cuz I guess you won't get the older models anymore.

personman_145

I rebuilt my machine about 6 months ago. Went with an I5 8600k. Games don't really use hyperthreading so that saved me maybe $100 over getting an I7. Graphics card is a geforce 1060 6GB. 16GB ram.

Next upgrade will probably be GFX card. I'll wait till they hit geforce 2160 or whatever they'll call it.

Torbschka

Thanks everyone, this already helped me a lot!

@FlyingSwan and @reprosal , I will prob. go for the i7-8700, since I did read a lot of good stuff about it. Rperosal, u said u even have 60 FPS in Hel RA on Ultra, is this also the case for u flyingspawn? For me, coming from 30 fps Trials, I can only dream about 60 FPS and I would be totally fine with 60 FPS in every Content.

Could u two also talk about cyrodiil, how is the fps there if there is a "huge" fight, still over 60 fps or does it drop to 30 or even lower?

Torbschka

personman_145 wrote: »

I rebuilt my machine about 6 months ago. Went with an I5 8600k. Games don't really use hyperthreading so that saved me maybe $100 over getting an I7. Graphics card is a geforce 1060 6GB. 16GB ram.

Next upgrade will probably be GFX card. I'll wait till they hit geforce 2160 or whatever they'll call it.

and how is PVP/Trials goind for u?

dovakiin5574

Torbschka wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Ryzen 5 gen 2, Nvidia GTX 1060 or 1080 if you can find a good price, Corsair DDR4 3000mhz memory at least 8gb but 16gb is better. I prefer EVGA for my power supplies. MSI makes excellent motherboards. Use pcpartpicker.com as it also compares prices across several merchants.

with the post above u in mind - will I get good fps in cyrodiil/Trials with that Setup or is it, as already stated, just impossible?

While Intel does offer better single core performance, you will still get 80+ frames on 1440p ultra with a Ryzen 5. Ryzen is cheaper than Intel and fits your budget better so you can also grab a good GPU. If you had disposable income I'd say go for the Intel i7 8700k and a GTX 1080ti (100+ fps on ultra 1440p) but that is out of your budget

Banana

Id be waiting until amd release their next patch of cpus. 16 cores@ 5.1Ghz sounds alright, if it happens.

NocturnalSonata

Eso is not very graphically demanding, so I would be cautious in giving recommendations for this game alone, as at some point you may want to actually play something optimized. With that in mind you should go the general gaming pc route.

CPU core - eso is single heavy, but that does not mean you jump headlong into the intel bandwagon as price per performance is going to be a huge factor. that said, any of these chips will do what you want and then some (dont be afriad of overclocking as it is free performance mostly:

ryzen - 1600x, 2600x - both are solid and can be overclocked.
intel 13-8350k, 15-8600k - big diff in price for both, but depending on your needs both will do.

GPU - go nvidia, the amd cards just don't compare - a 1060/2060 will be your starting point (or wait for the 1160) - RTX is wasted on the lower cards anyway. but a 2060 does have very decent performance for the price.

Motherboard - a 450 series or equivalent is all you need.

Ram - 16gb 3000mhz if ryzen (may have compatibility issues at higher xmp), 3200mhz if intel.

Cooling - i strongly recomend liquid cooling your cpu with an all in one. It is easy as anything to install, and the difference is huge when overclocking.

BOTTOM LINE - none of this will lead to ESO running glitch free, as it is optimized like a shiny dung hill, and the vast amount of issues are net issues, which my £3000 cant overcome. However, your gaming will in theory run smoother, and for newer games coming out, it is a no brainer.

profundidob16_ESO

Torbschka wrote: »

Hey,

since I almost finished my Ph.D. and got a huge Job Promotion so I try to build a new PC around 1.500 $, I could spend more but I just wanted to set myself a Limit on my "Hobby" - if that makes any sense^^.
Well, Im posting here becuase the technical Forum is only for Suppor/Issues, if that is incorrect please put this thread in the right direction - thank you!

Right now I just have a very Budget PC, most important:

- i3-6100
- rx 460

I really want to have at least good FPS in Cyrodiil (FPS =/= LAG, right?) on "low/medium" Settings and in Trials medium to high Settings with around 60 fps? I dont know that much about PC, but any1 of u have a up to date pc spec or could give me some recommendations? As far as I know, eso is very CPU (single core?!) dependet, so a strong Intel would make sense, i7-8100?
Well, is it even possible to get good fps in cyrodiil/Trials in this game with a 1500 pc or am I dreaming, I have really now clue about that stuff :-D ?
I do live in Germany if that matters.

Thanks to any1 who give me some Infos about good CPU/GPU for ESO.

Time to help someone:

1500€ is too tight but there is a close option definately still below 2000€ that will give you that performance you're looking for. Send Caseking an email to have you configure and build the following machine:


https://caseking.de/en/king-mod-systems-pc-welt-gamer-ultra-intel-i7-8700k-rtx-2060-sipc-238.html

but ask them to build inside the following case instead of their default one:

https://caseking.de/en/phanteks-enthoo-pro-midi-tower-schwarz-window-geph-004.html

and with a 360mm aio CPU cooler such as for instance following example:

https://caseking.de/en/alphacool-eisbaer-lt360-cpu-aio-wasserkuehlung-wase-361.html


Then when you receive that machine you'll be able to set the i7-8700 to 5.0Ghz in the BIOS settings and be amazed at how fluent this game including Cyrodill largescale PVP can be.


technical notes: The default cpu cooler does not allow enough cooling to run your cpu at 5.0Ghz, that's why another is needed and the case swap is needed because the default one doesn't allow enough airflow to feed that new cpu cooler. The GPU is of much much lesser impact and can stay default or crank it up if you have extra cash. For Eso it matters less since ESO depends completely on single-thread CPU performance.


Having all that horsepower completely silent is not possible in this price range but with the 360mm aio cooler you'll come relatively close. In fact it's the GPU you'll be hearing and that's not possible to remediate without spending alot more to get that replaced by a watercooled version as well.


Cheers

reprosal

Torbschka wrote: »

Thanks everyone, this already helped me a lot!

@FlyingSwan and @reprosal , I will prob. go for the i7-8700, since I did read a lot of good stuff about it. Rperosal, u said u even have 60 FPS in Hel RA on Ultra, is this also the case for u flyingspawn? For me, coming from 30 fps Trials, I can only dream about 60 FPS and I would be totally fine with 60 FPS in every Content.

Could u two also talk about cyrodiil, how is the fps there if there is a "huge" fight, still over 60 fps or does it drop to 30 or even lower?

I don’t venture into Cyro enough to get a good estimate of FPS in a big fight. Sorry!

profundidob16_ESO

Torbschka wrote: »

dovakiin5574 wrote: »

Ryzen 5 gen 2, Nvidia GTX 1060 or 1080 if you can find a good price, Corsair DDR4 3000mhz memory at least 8gb but 16gb is better. I prefer EVGA for my power supplies. MSI makes excellent motherboards. Use pcpartpicker.com as it also compares prices across several merchants.

with the post above u in mind - will I get good fps in cyrodiil/Trials with that Setup or is it, as already stated, just impossible?

set setup will NOT solve your problem. I'm willing to put my hand in the fire for that statement, based on first hand exp over the past 20 years in this field

profundidob16_ESO

reprosal wrote: »

Even running an i7 8700k oc’ed at 5.0 stable and 1080ti SLi (i run single for ESO because ‘optimization’). I run 1440p and get 144 overland, 120ish in town and 60-80 in trials. For trials like Hel Ra where the draw distance is huge it will be in the 60’s. So keep that in mind.

Fully agreed. This is exactly and accurately what you can really expect and it will be a world of difference compared to your current experience. This feels fluid in-game. This setup (minus the second gpu) will solve all OP's problems.

personman_145

Torbschka wrote: »

personman_145 wrote: »

I rebuilt my machine about 6 months ago. Went with an I5 8600k. Games don't really use hyperthreading so that saved me maybe $100 over getting an I7. Graphics card is a geforce 1060 6GB. 16GB ram.

Next upgrade will probably be GFX card. I'll wait till they hit geforce 2160 or whatever they'll call it.

and how is PVP/Trials goind for u?

I really don't PVP, but at dolmens and large battles, I still get decent FPS. I'd give you numbers but I'm usually too busy trying not to die to note them while fighting hehe.

There are still times I get low fps though, maybe 40fps, but I've thrown as much hardware at this as I can for right now. I use DSR and reshade to handle antialiasing and that combo is really good.

FlyingSwan

Torbschka wrote: »

Thanks everyone, this already helped me a lot!

@FlyingSwan and @reprosal , I will prob. go for the i7-8700, since I did read a lot of good stuff about it. Rperosal, u said u even have 60 FPS in Hel RA on Ultra, is this also the case for u flyingspawn? For me, coming from 30 fps Trials, I can only dream about 60 FPS and I would be totally fine with 60 FPS in every Content.

Could u two also talk about cyrodiil, how is the fps there if there is a "huge" fight, still over 60 fps or does it drop to 30 or even lower?

Yes, I can get those FPS figures in trials, but also trials can bomb for no reason I can control.

I only play battlegrounds for PvP, as I find Cyrodiil boring (horse riding simulator...). Battleground do not suffer from the same issues as Cyro.

A strong CPU is a huge benefit to this game, and I had no issue overclocking my 8700K to 5GHz, but there are ESO server issues that can still mess you up from time to time. Right now for example, the PC-EU server is horrid on any of my PCs in several EU countries.

codestripper

Here's a quick build based on your budget: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/zmmmzY

I'll tweak it a little when I come back from break to get it back under $1500 and leave room for a case.

profundidob16_ESO

@SpiderCultist

@FlyingSwan

@reprosal


These guys are all spot on with their answers. I have the same setup but maximized into dream machine + silent level and I can confirm that this whole "fps drops to unplayable levels in pvp zergs" dissapears. You're lowest dips will now be in 40-50 and hovering back around 60 after the dip. This is as good as gets and feels 100% different to having lowest dips in 20-30 with occasional 'stalls' and hickups.

reprosal

A big problem is the tick rate of ESO. I think it is less than 30? I could be mistaken. It is just bad coding... not necessarily hardware issues on their end.

Torbschka

Wow, I didnt expect to get so many good answers - thank you a lot guys, especially @profundidob16_ESO and @codestripper for the recommendations! I think Ill defeinitely go for an i7-8700. Actually, the reason I want it to be "very quiet" - GF will get annoyed if its too loud lol, personally I dont really care haha.

40-50 fps as my lowest FPS would be amazing on Ultra (even on low-medium), because right now I usually drop way below 30 fps if its a huge fight. U guys actually gave me hope, I did read through some "older" Posts and stuff and a lot of People said, that it is impossible to have good fps in Trials/PvP, but im totally fine with 40-50 "lowest" and usually way higher ^^.

profundidob16_ESO

codestripper wrote: »

Here's a quick build based on your budget: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/zmmmzY

I'll tweak it a little when I come back from break to get it back under $1500 and leave room for a case.

That looks like a very nice list using all the right components except one mistake:

a 550W Gold certified is not sufficient to handle the spikes of a 5.0Ghz 8700K + Nvidia RTX 2070 which go easily over 600. The entire pc will just hard shut off while you're in the middle of the game.

Tested extensively firsthand complete with power draw readings from the wall.

anything 750W gold cert + would be sufficient to handle those spikes

codestripper

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

Here's a quick build based on your budget: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/zmmmzY

I'll tweak it a little when I come back from break to get it back under $1500 and leave room for a case.

That looks like a very nice list using all the right components except one mistake:

a 550W Gold certified is not sufficient to handle the spikes of a 5.0Ghz 8700K + Nvidia RTX 2070 which go easily over 600. The entire pc will just hard shut off while you're in the middle of the game.

Tested extensively firsthand complete with power draw readings from the wall.

anything 750W gold cert + would be sufficient to handle those spikes

Oh my bad o thought I had the 750 selected. I'll fix that after I tune a few things when I get back to work. Thanks for the catch

noob in denial

Get this monitor: samsung 27" CJG50, 2k 144hz, VA panel. Get a 480/500GB SSD. A 550-600w power supply, rated gold or higher. GTX 1070/1060 gpu if you go for the monitor i suggested. If it's something with 1080p resolution, 1060/rx590 is enough.
For cpu you want something with strong single core performance, so minimum is ryzen 5 2600 from AMD or 9600k from intel. Ram, anything dual channel at around ~3000mhz, yes ram frequency matters. Also, don't buy cheapest motherboard, if you go with AMD ryzen, get a motherboard am4+ with chipset x470, or z390 intel. For this game, you will want to overclock.
Intel has better single core performance,+10-15% but there's a catch; they are extremely hot, cost much more and for the price of a 6core intel you can get 6/8core amd with 12/16threads.

personman_145

Torbschka wrote: »

Wow, I didnt expect to get so many good answers - thank you a lot guys, especially @profundidob16_ESO and @codestripper for the recommendations! I think Ill defeinitely go for an i7-8700. Actually, the reason I want it to be "very quiet" - GF will get annoyed if its too loud lol, personally I dont really care haha.

40-50 fps as my lowest FPS would be amazing on Ultra (even on low-medium), because right now I usually drop way below 30 fps if its a huge fight. U guys actually gave me hope, I did read through some "older" Posts and stuff and a lot of People said, that it is impossible to have good fps in Trials/PvP, but im totally fine with 40-50 "lowest" and usually way higher ^^.

I'd still recommend going I5 8600k if you want to save a hundred bucks and get virtually the same performance. Unless you have other uses for hyperthreading.