Light Attack Damage needs to be nerfed.

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Emma_Overload wrote: »

LOL, what? Is this a joke? Light attacks are still weak in PvP, even after all the buffs.

My light attacks hit for 2k on average and I got a 4.2k crit on a potato the other day. They are totally not fine.

ccfeeling

Nerf LA?

LA doesnt restore resource.

This is how the current system running.

Aznox

CMV : Light attack nerf thread =

A ) Someone who erroneously thinks other, less skilled players, can unfairly keep up with their DPS because of "free" light attacks spam.
-> Pro tip : you are just as bad as them at rotation/weaving. (werewolf being the only real exception)

or

B ) Someone who doesn't want to improve his weaving, and has the same frustration but towards more skill players.
-> Pro tip : spending time on the target skeleton will get you better results than nerf threads.

SaintSubwayy

Aznox wrote: »

CMV : Light attack nerf thread =

A ) Someone who erroneously thinks other, less skilled players, can unfairly keep up with their DPS because of "free" light attacks spam.
-> Pro tip : you are just as bad as them at rotation/weaving. (werewolf being the only real exception)

or

B ) Someone who doesn't want to improve his weaving, and has the same frustration but towards more skill players.
-> Pro tip : spending time on the target skeleton will get you better results than nerf threads.

Its not about keepeing others from reaching top dps, when LA dmg gets lowered, cieling and floor will be lowered aswell.
There will alaway sbe a gap, if thats gone, then the progress community will also vanish.

I personally also think that LA are too strong in their current state.
Even Tho I can weave pretty good, but I dont want to cut lower players off the DMG chart, by letting la deal like 0 dmg
a nerf to LA dmg would nerf both players, actually the one who can weave perfectly is hit more than the one who uses only las here and there from time to time

LA should provide more dmg that heavies, but not as much dmg as they do now, its just silly....watch a CMX parse and you see La at Nr1...not your spammable, but LA's, which you just on the go use inbetween skills....it is not balanced at all sry

and NO vMA staff alone cannot be blamed for this mess, It was already used by in the days when LA did not deal nearly as much dmg as they do now, not saying the dont play a part in it, but the IMo bigger problem is the high Basevalue of LA, combined with all the Amps they can get on top of the high basedmg,

Aznox

@SaintSubwayy what you say is exactly what i wrote : a nerf to light attack would be a nerf to the more skilled half of the playerbase and would up the skill floor.

SaintSubwayy

Aznox wrote: »

@SaintSubwayy what you say is exactly what i wrote : a nerf to light attack would be a nerf to the more skilled half of the playerbase and would up the skill floor.

IMO this has not to be a bad thing thou, as long as propper weaving and groupplay and groupsynergy can keep a gap between highend players and the average player its ok to nerf LA.

but this would require for the nerf to be BALANCED, which sadly doesnt seem to fit ZOS nerfhammer startegy...

GoonyGoat

Nerf "Nerf" threads

SaintSubwayy

Wraith66 wrote: »

Nerf "Nerf" threads

very constructive to the Topic

We know that making nerf threads isnt liked by alot of ppl, because they migh tloose 1% dps etc.

But atleast we try to discuss such topics to bring a certain balance to the game, even if it requires nerfs.
so either you could contribute to the topic, or just dont comment at all.

validifyedneb18_ESO

CP may be over-buffing light attacks.

Honestly nerfing LAs (and then slightly buffing ability damage, ie with wep damage increases) would bring worse players closer to the top - Which is one of the key aims with ZOS; To lower the ceiling and raise the floor.

From a personal perspective, I do get all my LAs up (Except on the PTS where lag can seriously *** me over if im even slightly tired), and it is currently a fundamental part of the "skill" of a dd. But it also never feels good when light attacking is such a high percentage of your total damage.

SaintSubwayy

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

CP may be over-buffing light attacks.

Honestly nerfing LAs (and then slightly buffing ability damage, ie with wep damage increases) would bring worse players closer to the top - Which is one of the key aims with ZOS; To lower the ceiling and raise the floor.

From a personal perspective, I do get all my LAs up (Except on the PTS where lag can seriously *** me over if im even slightly tired), and it is currently a fundamental part of the "skill" of a dd. But it also never feels good when light attacking is such a high percentage of your total damage.

thats the Direct DMG meta, we are in right now.
66 Points into Master at arms and 15-25 in Staffexpert add up to such a high value on LA....

But the master at arms also cause trouble with DOTs, since they buff the initial Hit by so much, that the DOT just looks like a wet noodle besides the initial cast.

Taking away like 15-20% initial dmg, and adding it to the Dots would also change the spamming meta for rending slashes, DK Claw and embers etc. and would return them to be primarily used as DOTS, which IMO ZOS should do, to get away from this Meta.

Aznox

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

But it also never feels good when light attacking is such a high percentage of your total damage.

Ok, weird, but at least that's an argument.

Anyone else wanna offer a clear reason to nerf light attack other than "they do too much damage" ?

John_Falstaff

Let's put it like this - I actually have reconsidered. To think of it, nerfing light attacks will mostly nerf magicka players since only magicka has them as their first line on the parse. So the nerf will amount to nerfing magicka damage across the board.

As a stamina main, I wholeheartedly welcome the proposal.

SaintSubwayy

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Let's put it like this - I actually have reconsidered. To think of it, nerfing light attacks will mostly nerf magicka players since only magicka has them as their first line on the parse. So the nerf will amount to nerfing magicka damage across the board.

As a stamina main, I wholeheartedly welcome the proposal.

Relequen nerf is actually long overdue TBH....this set is carrying stamdps on its own.
Just take it out and slot TFS instead, switch Mundus and do a dummy, Im interessted in the numbers resulting...will prob be only shy ahead of magickas in terms of DPS

This set should have helped weaker players to hit good DPS lvls...but as long as good players can also abuse it, it will be storng as hell....DPS parses with 7k DPS from relequne alone arent uncomon

John_Falstaff

@SaintSubwayy , I know, right? Except this patch, stamina already got its share of nerfs with the arrow in DW, and now only stamblades and stamdens hit significantly higher than magicka. For other classes, that "risk vs. reward" thing is ceasing to exist. Would like to see more sets the strength of Relequen and with some skill requirement attached (though Relequen itself isn't exactly universal - in vBRP, I'll be hitting higher with TFS than with Relequen), but so far, it's the only game in town and it keeps stamina up with magicka.

(But as an aside, troll face should have been enough of a hint that I'm not supporting LA nerf.)

ccfeeling

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Let's put it like this - I actually have reconsidered. To think of it, nerfing light attacks will mostly nerf magicka players since only magicka has them as their first line on the parse. So the nerf will amount to nerfing magicka damage across the board.

As a stamina main, I wholeheartedly welcome the proposal.

Relequen nerf is actually long overdue TBH....this set is carrying stamdps on its own.
Just take it out and slot TFS instead, switch Mundus and do a dummy, Im interessted in the numbers resulting...will prob be only shy ahead of magickas in terms of DPS

This set should have helped weaker players to hit good DPS lvls...but as long as good players can also abuse it, it will be storng as hell....DPS parses with 7k DPS from relequne alone arent uncomon

So u mean Zos should nerf all meta sets which including mag and stam in game?

SaintSubwayy

ccfeeling wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Let's put it like this - I actually have reconsidered. To think of it, nerfing light attacks will mostly nerf magicka players since only magicka has them as their first line on the parse. So the nerf will amount to nerfing magicka damage across the board.

As a stamina main, I wholeheartedly welcome the proposal.

Relequen nerf is actually long overdue TBH....this set is carrying stamdps on its own.
Just take it out and slot TFS instead, switch Mundus and do a dummy, Im interessted in the numbers resulting...will prob be only shy ahead of magickas in terms of DPS

This set should have helped weaker players to hit good DPS lvls...but as long as good players can also abuse it, it will be storng as hell....DPS parses with 7k DPS from relequne alone arent uncomon

So u mean Zos should nerf all meta sets which including mag and stam in game?

well yes and no
you'll have to admit that relequen is carring Stamina builds pretty hard.
IF they would manage to get sets or set combos onto a even level, we would see many more different builds andclasses beeing used in PVE.

Right now its kinda:
meele possible?
yes -> only stamblades
no-> meelespots filled with stamblades, ranged filled with magblades and magplars

doesnt seem balanced to me tbh.
yes on "lower" tiered groups you can easily bring a magsorc, or stamdens etc. because when the skilllvl isnt very high, the DPS difference isnt as noticeable.

mcagatayg

I'm not bad at weaving or anything like that, i get like 49-50k parses and check it its 25% LA damage, just from weaving its just stupid imo.

Aznox

mcagatayg wrote: »

I'm not bad at weaving or anything like that, i get like 49-50k parses and check it its 25% LA damage, just from weaving its just stupid imo.

So you spend 50% of your actions in you rotation weaving LA, that amounts to 25% of your total DPS.

This shows that LA is already the least damaging (as in damage per action) of all your damaging abilities.

Why is that situation "just stupid" ?

SaintSubwayy

Aznox wrote: »

mcagatayg wrote: »

I'm not bad at weaving or anything like that, i get like 49-50k parses and check it its 25% LA damage, just from weaving its just stupid imo.

So you spend 50% of your actions in you rotation weaving LA, that amounts to 25% of your total DPS.

This shows that LA is already the least damaging (as in damage per action) of all your damaging abilities.

Why is that situation "just stupid" ?

You cant quite compare it like this
Since LA and skills dont share the same global cooldown, but work in between of each others cooldowns
If you would have to wait 1 sec after casting a skill, then do the LA then they would be equal to 50% of your actions

Aznox

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

mcagatayg wrote: »

I'm not bad at weaving or anything like that, i get like 49-50k parses and check it its 25% LA damage, just from weaving its just stupid imo.

So you spend 50% of your actions in you rotation weaving LA, that amounts to 25% of your total DPS.

This shows that LA is already the least damaging (as in damage per action) of all your damaging abilities.

Why is that situation "just stupid" ?

You cant quite compare it like this
Since LA and skills dont share the same global cooldown, but work in between of each others cooldowns
If you would have to wait 1 sec after casting a skill, then do the LA then they would be equal to 50% of your actions

LA is an action (press left clic)
skill 1 is an action (press button 1)
skill 2 is an action (press button 2)
etc..

if you do LA/Skill1/LA/Skill2, then half of you actions have been LA (even if you don't have a choice about it)

Can we get to the part where people start to propose factual arguments about LA doing too much damage ?

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Have we had enough Nerf threads yet?

SaintSubwayy

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Have we had enough Nerf threads yet?

Oh another person commenting without providing any indepth infor or contributing to the topic at all

I apolozige for talking about a topic which does not suit your view ....
Still gona keep talking about it, since its an important topic regarding balance, even if it has to include a nerf

BejaProphet

🤔

Hmmmm, light attack is a single button press, majority of other skills are a single button press.

Light attacks on my rotation will be 50% of the button presses, yet it only does 22% of damage.

Toc de Malsvi

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Have we had enough Nerf threads yet?

Oh another person commenting without providing any indepth infor or contributing to the topic at all

I apolozige for talking about a topic which does not suit your view ....
Still gona keep talking about it, since its an important topic regarding balance, even if it has to include a nerf

Buff thread:

Buff everything except light attacks.

SaintSubwayy

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

Have we had enough Nerf threads yet?

Oh another person commenting without providing any indepth infor or contributing to the topic at all

I apolozige for talking about a topic which does not suit your view ....
Still gona keep talking about it, since its an important topic regarding balance, even if it has to include a nerf

Buff thread:

Buff everything except light attacks.

Go ahhead im gona support it, yet ive made some buff threads already...they normally dont work as good as nerf threads (sadly)

SaintSubwayy

BejaProphet wrote: »

🤔

Hmmmm, light attack is a single button press, majority of other skills are a single button press.

Light attacks on my rotation will be 50% of the button presses, yet it only does 22% of damage.

At the cost of 0 magicka....with an abosrb glyph they even give some magicka

Sounds balanced indeed

Iskiab

In pve my rotation and gear are good but my dps sucks because I’m terrible at light attack weaving. I usually heal so can’t be bothered to practice.

I’ve always thought light attack weaving is silly though. The main reason is lag. On the PTS people can break 60k but can’t on live, those that think lag and ping aren’t huge issues aren’t being honest. In raids your ping jumps too so it’s even worse.

I’ve also noticed light attack weaving is more difficult on a destro staff them melee weapon but don’t know why.

People are used to it but I have no doubt that the game would be better without light attacks in the game.

El_Borracho

I'll file this with the other threads demanding PVE-specific nerfs

Starlight_Knight

When you consider the amount of LAG in PVP as well. weaving light attacks through all the lag treacle... i agree they are to strong.

Shantu

Oh god, now we're going after nerfing light attacks? How about we nerf combat to running around naked and shouting insults at each other?

Stop the madness! NO MORE NERFS!!