Monster masks at normal mode

rexagamemnon

So in dungeons, why are monster masks only for vet players? You get all the same gear in norm dungeons just in a different quality. So why cant monster masks be awarded in normal dungeons as well just in blue quality items?

emily3989

Because upgrading from blue to purple is stupid cheap and easy. How about we keep somethings in the game in a place we actually have to earn them?

susmitds

Entitlement much?

Merlin13KAGL

If you're after the look, it comes around in style page form. You can earn one via keys (which you can get on norm), the other you can purchase, albeit for obscene amounts of gold.

If you want the actual mask, you need to clear Vet, period.

It doesn't require hardmode, speed run, no death, just a vet clear.

There's yet to be a 4 man dungeon where this is not reasonable to do given enough time and a moderately skilled group.

Not every thing has to be accessible to every person.

VaranisArano

Its there to encourage and reward players who complete the dungeon on Veteran difficulty. Just like the extra Undaunted key is a reward and encouragement to complete the pledge on Veteran Hardmode.

Yes, its possible to get the Helm from the Golden Vendor in Cyrodiil without ever having to run the dungeon at all, but even there, the wait and RNG is prohibitive enough to encourage players to run the dungeon. For example, on PC/NA, we waited just over a year after its release before the Earthgore Helm appeared in the Golden Vendor.

NordSwordnBoard

rexagamemnon wrote: »

So in dungeons, why are monster masks only for vet players? You get all the same gear in norm dungeons just in a different quality. So why cant monster masks be awarded in normal dungeons as well just in blue quality items?

Would you take the helmet at Cp150 instead of 160? You can have it in purple, then...

Merlin13KAGL

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

rexagamemnon wrote: »

So in dungeons, why are monster masks only for vet players? You get all the same gear in norm dungeons just in a different quality. So why cant monster masks be awarded in normal dungeons as well just in blue quality items?

Would you take the helmet at Cp150 instead of 160? You can have it in purple, then...

Still no. The difference between Vet and Norm is worth far more than 10 frontloaded CP's.

karekiz

OP what mask are you looking for and what server are you on?

MagicalLija

Fungal grotto 1 isnt the hardest Vet dungeon in the universe. Do that first for stamina builds then go to storm fist then to selenes or velindreth. Monster masks are meant to be something you dedicate effort and time to get. It took me ages to get Zaan's mask in scalecaller but when we did it i felt accomplished.

rexagamemnon

karekiz wrote: »

OP what mask are you looking for and what server are you on?

Im not looking for anything, and im on xbox EU

KhajiitFelix

Non dlc vet dungeons are already pathetically easy. And if you want zaan or velidreth on 160 CP with blue gear and no rotation, then I can't help.

TheNightflame

if you want monster masks without doing dungeons, grind AP and hope the golden has the one you want.

lokulin

I reckon they should change all the base game dungeons and trials gear to bind on equip. Most of it isn't best in slot anyway.
It would also create a new avenue for traders to make a bit of cash while helping newer players with some slightly better gear to farm the new DLC dungeons and trials with. I know ZOS wants to keep people grinding but with ever expanding amounts of content it isn't like most people will run out of things to grind for any time soon.

rexagamemnon

lokulin wrote: »

I reckon they should change all the base game dungeons and trials gear to bind on equip. Most of it isn't best in slot anyway.
It would also create a new avenue for traders to make a bit of cash while helping newer players with some slightly better gear to farm the new DLC dungeons and trials with. I know ZOS wants to keep people grinding but with ever expanding amounts of content it isn't like most people will run out of things to grind for any time soon.

It used to be that way where everything was bind on equip, then they did away with it. Ive always thought it should be like that. But i doubt it will happen

Brrrofski

For base game they're all dead easy to get. Only dlc dungeons are a bit of a struggle to get helms. Even then, they're not too hard for 4 semi competent players to get.

If you can't get mister helms, you have bigger problems either your build other than not having monster helms.

rexagamemnon

Brrrofski wrote: »

For base game they're all dead easy to get. Only dlc dungeons are a bit of a struggle to get helms. Even then, they're not too hard for 4 semi competent players to get.

If you can't get mister helms, you have bigger problems either your build other than not having monster helms.

I have no problems getting monster helms, i just think they should be achievable at normal mode just make them account bound.

Turelus

If it's a much lower drop chance and quality I have no issues with it.

5% drop chance would be fine for me, as people would still need to invest a lot of time if they're not lucky.

emily3989 wrote: »

Because upgrading from blue to purple is stupid cheap and easy. How about we keep somethings in the game in a place we actually have to earn them?

ESO already sells legendary versions of the mask, there isn't anything to "earn" in these items any more.

rexagamemnon

I think the drop rate is a fair compromise. @ZOS_GinaBruno

kringled_1

Turelus wrote: »

If it's a much lower drop chance and quality I have no issues with it.

5% drop chance would be fine for me, as people would still need to invest a lot of time if they're not lucky.

emily3989 wrote: »

Because upgrading from blue to purple is stupid cheap and easy. How about we keep somethings in the game in a place we actually have to earn them?

ESO already sells legendary versions of the mask, there isn't anything to "earn" in these items any more.

The Golden does not sell legendary quality monster set pieces, despite what the name might suggest. They are all epic (purple) quality.

FierceSam

Just no.

First, you want to have some kind of challenge to aim for. When I started doing dungeons any Vet dungeon was an awesome challenge, now I have multiple versions of all the basic hats and it’s the DLC vets that are intimidating. For me the hats, the heads and the busts are indications of my progression in the game.

Second, if you aren’t doing vet dungeons and/or aren’t capable of doing them, what content are you doing that requires a monster set?

VaranisArano

FierceSam wrote: »

Just no.

First, you want to have some kind of challenge to aim for. When I started doing dungeons any Vet dungeon was an awesome challenge, now I have multiple versions of all the basic hats and it’s the DLC vets that are intimidating. For me the hats, the heads and the busts are indications of my progression in the game.

Second, if you aren’t doing vet dungeons and/or aren’t capable of doing them, what content are you doing that requires a monster set?

At a guess? PVP.

Monster sets are a good source of proc damage.

Now, for PVE, I'd have to agree with you. And even for PVP, I'm in favor of monster helms being locked behind the Vet Dugeons and Golden Vendor RNG.

p00tx

Please no. I understand why this might seem attractive at the onset, but experience shows otherwise. Earthgore was locked behind difficult content, and only a handful of us had it in Cyrodil, so it wasn't a problem. The day it dropped in the golden though, everyone had access and now Cyrodil is inundated with it and it is ruining PvP. It was a huge mistake to make it available and it should never have been added to the golden rotation.

If you make all monster helms available at normal levels, there is no longer any reason to improve your game play, and we end up with a bunch of terrible players (who usually run in zergs) crutching on sets which become overwhelming when used by large numbers in a concentrated area.

karekiz

I'll trade you monster masks in normal if no event ever drops Dungeon motifs ever again.

rexagamemnon

p00tx wrote: »

Please no. I understand why this might seem attractive at the onset, but experience shows otherwise. Earthgore was locked behind difficult content, and only a handful of us had it in Cyrodil, so it wasn't a problem. The day it dropped in the golden though, everyone had access and now Cyrodil is inundated with it and it is ruining PvP. It was a huge mistake to make it available and it should never have been added to the golden rotation.

If you make all monster helms available at normal levels, there is no longer any reason to improve your game play, and we end up with a bunch of terrible players (who usually run in zergs) crutching on sets which become overwhelming when used by large numbers in a concentrated area.

Since i made this post. This is the only point ive seen that was articulated well. Everyone else has said something to the extant of “well if you are not good enough to get it on vet mode you dont deserve it” as if just because they are better at playing a game necessarily makes them more deserving of anything. ive gotten many of the dlc vet masks, so its not that i cant get it. I can get vet masks with a good team. But i understand this point. Good job. You are right, this is something i never thought about. PvP would be nuts, but on the flip side it would make pvp more competative, no?

rexagamemnon

karekiz wrote: »

I'll trade you monster masks in normal if no event ever drops Dungeon motifs ever again.

I think people buy those motifs anyways from the crown store

karekiz

rexagamemnon wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

I'll trade you monster masks in normal if no event ever drops Dungeon motifs ever again.

I think people buy those motifs anyways from the crown store

I made 300+K off march so its not that cut and dry.

*edit my bad 500K+

shack80

Why would all the *** players get the same gear as good players?

I say improve your game, join guilds, find friends and just do it on vet.

Beardimus

rexagamemnon wrote: »

So in dungeons, why are monster masks only for vet players? You get all the same gear in norm dungeons just in a different quality. So why cant monster masks be awarded in normal dungeons as well just in blue quality items?

No, not needed at all.

Brrrofski

p00tx wrote: »

Please no. I understand why this might seem attractive at the onset, but experience shows otherwise. Earthgore was locked behind difficult content, and only a handful of us had it in Cyrodil, so it wasn't a problem. The day it dropped in the golden though, everyone had access and now Cyrodil is inundated with it and it is ruining PvP. It was a huge mistake to make it available and it should never have been added to the golden rotation.

If you make all monster helms available at normal levels, there is no longer any reason to improve your game play, and we end up with a bunch of terrible players (who usually run in zergs) crutching on sets which become overwhelming when used by large numbers in a concentrated area.

God.... If everyone had earthgore and zaan...

No thanks!

rexagamemnon

Brrrofski wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Please no. I understand why this might seem attractive at the onset, but experience shows otherwise. Earthgore was locked behind difficult content, and only a handful of us had it in Cyrodil, so it wasn't a problem. The day it dropped in the golden though, everyone had access and now Cyrodil is inundated with it and it is ruining PvP. It was a huge mistake to make it available and it should never have been added to the golden rotation.

If you make all monster helms available at normal levels, there is no longer any reason to improve your game play, and we end up with a bunch of terrible players (who usually run in zergs) crutching on sets which become overwhelming when used by large numbers in a concentrated area.

God.... If everyone had earthgore and zaan...

No thanks!

Ok so just change it where dlc dungeons are not included, im in agreement with you on monster set helms like that

VexingArcanist

rexagamemnon wrote: »

If you make all monster helms available at normal levels, there is no longer any reason to improve your game play

I'm not gonna take a side in this however I want to ask a question on this statement. A lot of players, myself included, and I am not suggesting the majority of the player base, could care less about end game PvE really. Perhaps they work at improving their PvP game play? Did you consider that?

I thought this was a play your way game, not a Play My Way or hit the Highway game?