How does new bosmer roll peneration make sense logically?

Tasear

Archers are supposed to get more penetration or focus while not moving.

RaddlemanNumber7

Legs are stronger than arms

HappyLittleTree

Banana

The roll sharpens the arrow

WikiMeister

I don't think it's something you explain as much 'logically' with reference to physiology; but you can certainly make sense of it as the Wood Elf rapidly relocating to get a better vantage point of their quarry - and thus get a better shot in.

Tasear

wiki_meisterrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I don't think it's something you explain as much 'logically' with reference to physiology; but you can certainly make sense of it as the Wood Elf rapidly relocating to get a better vantage point of their quarry - and thus get a better shot in.

T.T makes more sense to just give more peneration to them while now moving instead of dodgerolling....

Tasear

HappyLittleTree wrote: »

kk fair... then more peneration while moving.... to fit lore....just roll dodge and 3 secs is not logically or useful.

IwakuraLain42

If you really want to know ... the new (PvP only) passive was to OP in PvP so they nerfed it by adding something that only is useful in PvP again because ... you look where the new combat lead came from ...

WikiMeister

@IwakuraLain42

Actually, Gilliam did a great deal of PvE in equal measure to the PvPs. Just check out this hilarious video, which is enough to inspire anyone to throw themselves into the meatgrinder which is vMSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVFYPJW-aa8

Jameliel

There have been and will continue to be numerous explanations. The one that makes the most sense is that there will be increased crown sales from these changes. They should just rename the game at this point. It only has vague similarities to a TES game now. It's homogenized and generic in every aspect. I'd be willing to place a large wager that 90% or more of people defending the proposed changes have never played a TES game. At most, maybe they started with Skyrim. The people in charge are using the TES name and reputation to sell their game and contents, but at this point, it's no longer a real TES game.

Moonsorrow

Tasear wrote: »

Archers are supposed to get more penetration or focus while not moving.

A good question on the topic. And answer is: it has no logic. Same with many of the racial changes from common sense and lore point of view.

max_only

I don’t blame @ZOS_Gilliam for this. He is capable of logic, I’ve witnessed it. Sometimes the boss comes up with a “real cool idea” and you have to smile while biting your tongue.

They are making it much too complex than it needs to be. Return the last Bosmer passive to its previous state (current state on live) until they can come up with something that isn’t immediately obviously unwise.

They came up with the stacking roll dodge, any one who plays the game knew that was terrible. They’ve since decreased it. They came up with stealth detection, anyone who plays knows that it has no use in all of pve and most of pvp (if someone is a stealth pvper they will snipe you from a distance, or if they are sneaking up on you like at a siege, 3 meters is no where near enough warning to matter). The only thing they did right was remove the 10% damage bonus because it’s hard to balance combat with “odd one out” modifiers like that.

Now they are just throwing gum against the wall with the “increase penetration upon roll dodge”

Just stop. All of this just makes these decisions look like they weren’t made with confidence and direction.

Tasear

Moonsorrow wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Archers are supposed to get more penetration or focus while not moving.

A good question on the topic. And answer is: it has no logic. Same with many of the racial changes from common sense and lore point of view.

The idea is hopefully they see logic or reason.... this one I just can't agree with at all and not just cause it's my first and main character....

Tasear

max_only wrote: »

I don’t blame @ZOS_Gilliam for this. He is capable of logic, I’ve witnessed it. Sometimes the boss comes up with a “real cool idea” and you have to smile while biting your tongue.

They are making it much too complex than it needs to be. Return the last Bosmer passive to its previous state (current state on live) until they can come up with something that isn’t immediately obviously unwise.

They came up with the stacking roll dodge, any one who plays the game knew that was terrible. They’ve since decreased it. They came up with stealth detection, anyone who plays knows that it has no use in all of pve and most of pvp (if someone is a stealth pvper they will snipe you from a distance, or if they are sneaking up on you like at a siege, 3 meters is no where near enough warning to matter). The only thing they did right was remove the 10% damage bonus because it’s hard to balance combat with “odd one out” modifiers like that.

Now they are just throwing gum against the wall with the “increase penetration upon roll dodge”

Just stop. All of this just makes these decisions look like they weren’t made with confidence and direction.

They are adding something later on for sealth to become more into gameplay... so yeah one day someday... I think they had the right idea with penetration but they made it too niche of usage.

Demion

I have given up on logic long time ago for ESO or most MMO´s for that matter, but sometime you can work around it, I think Legolas and shield surfing

sionIV

"It's time to nuke! Bosmers, start rolling!"

Demion

"Bosmerbots roll out!"

Kadoin

Tasear wrote: »

Archers are supposed to get more penetration or focus while not moving.

Maybe you can shoot at a weird angle while rolling that's just enough to get beneath a slight gap in the armor of someone completely covered in steel armor?

EDIT:

max_only wrote: »

I don’t blame @ZOS_Gilliam for this. He is capable of logic, I’ve witnessed it. Sometimes the boss comes up with a “real cool idea” and you have to smile while biting your tongue.

They are making it much too complex than it needs to be. Return the last Bosmer passive to its previous state (current state on live) until they can come up with something that isn’t immediately obviously unwise.

Have you ever thought that they made the changes in part to nerf NBs in PvP without destroying the class instead?

VeiledCriticism

Rollerplars, rollerden, rollerdk, rollersorc and the almighty Rollerblade.

KenaPKK

TheRealSniker

KenaPKK wrote: »

200IQ

vamp_emily

I knew there was a good reason why I bought 2 gold Rings of Morihaus from the gold vendor. Most my characters are bosmer.

mxxo

Save Bosmer from perma rolling

Jurand80

KenaPKK wrote: »

looks like a great set for a bosmer healer support. now he or it can cc mobs utilising a racial passive. shut up and take my token!

Dalsinthus

It makes no sense, is contingent and awkward, and puts bosmer in a bad spot relative to other Stam races. No other race has apassive that is so pvp specific and so limited in usefulness. I hope the devs read and listen to the feedback on this, but I've basically lost hope at this point.

Verbal_Earthworm

KenaPKK wrote: »

my bosmer nb already wears that set along with eternal hunt in a roll dodge build

InvictusApollo

It doesnt even make sense that Bosmer can move at the same speed as other races since Bosmer have much shorter legs.

mxxo

InvictusApollo wrote: »

It doesnt even make sense that Bosmer can move at the same speed as other races since Bosmer have much shorter legs.

They have shorter legs, because they have faster feet.

max_only

Kadoin wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Archers are supposed to get more penetration or focus while not moving.

Maybe you can shoot at a weird angle while rolling that's just enough to get beneath a slight gap in the armor of someone completely covered in steel armor?

EDIT:

max_only wrote: »

I don’t blame @ZOS_Gilliam for this. He is capable of logic, I’ve witnessed it. Sometimes the boss comes up with a “real cool idea” and you have to smile while biting your tongue.

They are making it much too complex than it needs to be. Return the last Bosmer passive to its previous state (current state on live) until they can come up with something that isn’t immediately obviously unwise.

Have you ever thought that they made the changes in part to nerf NBs in PvP without destroying the class instead?

So Khajiit changes... cats can’t be nb?

max_only

KenaPKK wrote: »

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Senche's+Bite+Set

Senche's Bite

LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(3 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(4 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(5 items) When you use Roll Dodge, your Weapon Damage is increased by 430 and Weapon Critical by 657 for 5 seconds.

Reaper’s March (Khajiit area) Senche’s Bite (Khajiit named) Roll dodge (Agility and acrobatics, traditionally Khajiit skills). It’s almost like cats are just as, if not better at, roll dodging.

There are under used sets all over the game, what’s the point?

MartiniDaniels

InvictusApollo wrote: »

It doesnt even make sense that Bosmer can move at the same speed as other races since Bosmer have much shorter legs.

Haha, look at fastest real-life sprinters, they are short..