Dark elf vs Orc passives

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Dark elf:
Dynamic: Increased the Max Magicka and Stamina granted by 1875
Resist Flame: Increases your Flame Resistance by 2310. You are immune to the Burning status effect.
Ruination: Increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 258.

Orc:
Brawny: This passive now grants 2000 Max Stamina
Unflinching Rage: This passive now grants 1000 Max Health and heals you for up to 600 when you deal damage with a weapon, with a 4 second cooldown.
Swift Warrior: Increases your Weapon Damage by 258. Reduces the cost of your Sprint ability by 12% and increases your Movement Speed while Sprinting by 10%.

Why dark elf have only have 2 usefull passives when orc's are offering almost double passives? I compare them because they both offering stats for stamina DD's but i feel like dark elf passives are not complate. Even high elf have 125 magicka more.

pieratsos

useful to you does not equal useful in general.

Twohothardware

Because Dark Elf also gets 1850 Magicka and 256 Spell Damage allowing you to swap between high dps roles as magicka or stamina. Orc is only Stamina buffs. Dark Elfs resistance to fire is also worth more than Orcs pathetic 600 health (cut to 300 in Cyrodiil) every 4 seconds.

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Twohothardware wrote: »

Because Dark Elf also gets 1850 Magicka and 256 Spell Damage allowing you to swap between high dps roles as magicka or stamina. Orc is only Stamina buffs. Dark Elfs resistance to fire is also worth more than Orcs pathetic 600 health (cut to 300 in Cyrodiil) every 4 seconds.

If u want swaping dd roles between magicka and stamina the best race is khajiit with good values of max resources, regen and crit.

Twohothardware

Browart wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Because Dark Elf also gets 1850 Magicka and 256 Spell Damage allowing you to swap between high dps roles as magicka or stamina. Orc is only Stamina buffs. Dark Elfs resistance to fire is also worth more than Orcs pathetic 600 health (cut to 300 in Cyrodiil) every 4 seconds.

If u want swaping dd roles between magicka and stamina the best race is khajiit with good values of max resources, regen and crit.

Dark Elf will still be close and will be stronger than Khajiit in PvP because damage from crit goes way down when half your targets have 3k crit resist.

ccmedaddy

Twohothardware wrote: »

Browart wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Because Dark Elf also gets 1850 Magicka and 256 Spell Damage allowing you to swap between high dps roles as magicka or stamina. Orc is only Stamina buffs. Dark Elfs resistance to fire is also worth more than Orcs pathetic 600 health (cut to 300 in Cyrodiil) every 4 seconds.

If u want swaping dd roles between magicka and stamina the best race is khajiit with good values of max resources, regen and crit.

Dark Elf will still be close and will be stronger than Khajiit in PvP because damage from crit goes way down when half your targets have 3k crit resist.

A Khajit NB/templar with the Shadow mundus and points into Elfborn will laugh at your meager 3k crit resist and burst you down with no problem.

Sanctum74

Probably because most people that go dark elf will also go vampire to take advantage of flame resistance and burning immunity. This allows them to get that extra 10% magic/stam recovery to make up for it.

MartiniDaniels

Orc was simply suddenly overbuffed, it is better not only against dunmer, but vs all other stam races too.

roksolana_sowa

Maybe becouse dunmer have same stats for stamina and magika dd and orcs can play only stamina?
From my side full stamina or full magika rase need to be better than dunmers or khajiits where u can play double with same stats.

MartiniDaniels

roksolana_sowa wrote: »

Maybe becouse dunmer have same stats for stamina and magika dd and orcs can play only stamina?
From my side full stamina or full magika rase need to be better than dunmers or khajiits where u can play double with same stats.

There is no such thing like "magicka and stamina dd". There is "magicka dd" and "stamina dd". Anyway in real conditions extra stamina is always good for mage, and extra magicka is useful in PVP, i mean wings, cloak and so on. So, before today's patch notes, dunmer was in line with other stam races. But now they buffed redguard and khajiit (slightly) and orc (huge buff) and nerfed (slightly) bosmer while literally keeping dunmer the same, which places dark elves somewhere on 4th place or maybe even lower, it's hard to calculate where imperial will be with new sustain passive.

With this new patch notes dunmer becomes absolutely useless race, as a bosmer and altmer. This is elven genocide, nothing else.

Rikumaru

To be honest I was thinking dark elf to be a more attractive choice than orc for PvP on stam builds . The extra max magicka is a more valuable stat than 1k hp imo. The only other passive which is kinda nice on orc is the 10% sprint speed one.

Vapirko

The dark elf fire resists also lets you go vampire easily granting more sustain and the undeath passive. They had to take this into account.

roksolana_sowa

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

roksolana_sowa wrote: »

Maybe becouse dunmer have same stats for stamina and magika dd and orcs can play only stamina?
From my side full stamina or full magika rase need to be better than dunmers or khajiits where u can play double with same stats.

There is no such thing like "magicka and stamina dd". There is "magicka dd" and "stamina dd". Anyway in real conditions extra stamina is always good for mage, and extra magicka is useful in PVP, i mean wings, cloak and so on. So, before today's patch notes, dunmer was in line with other stam races. But now they buffed redguard and khajiit (slightly) and orc (huge buff) and nerfed (slightly) bosmer while literally keeping dunmer the same, which places dark elves somewhere on 4th place or maybe even lower, it's hard to calculate where imperial will be with new sustain passive.

With this new patch notes dunmer becomes absolutely useless race, as a bosmer and altmer. This is elven genocide, nothing else.

Oh, my tell me now that u really through that I told about hybrids cmon. -_- Thanks cap for explaining me that in this game there is "stamina dd" and "magika dd". (:
I just wonder how u don't get that they also buffed dunmers passives and I still reading posts were ppl crying about that dunmers and khajiit not so op as they wish.
Magplar and magden deal more dps on khajiit than in any other magika rase and dunmer on stamina or in magika in top 3 dds.
U can't tell that all those changes will kick dunmer from top couse pts still closed and yes I also burning couse bosmers but still. Maybe it will - maybe not all depend about ure char role - pve raiding or pvp zerging. I remember how was reaction about cats passives till ppl tested them.
And my main tip was and still is that fully stamina rase need to be better than rase which is alow u to respec any time if u want from stam to mag couse its not look like clear balance in game. And again I speak more about pve now.

sionIV

You should ask yourself why BOTH Dunmer and Orc have so many useful passives, while the Imperial is left in the garbage.

Banana

Orc looks good. But who knows if its still going to look like that when it goes live.

roksolana_sowa

All forum burning but trick is that u even cant cheek all this couse pts offline (: