Nerf Healing Springs

Iskiab

Nevermind

frostz417

Lol

MashmalloMan

This seems vaguely familiar to the post about nerfing vigor..

Iskiab

No idea about the vigor nerf thread, I didn’t play then.

What I can tell you is for whatever reason healing springs has been left as the strongest healing ability to the point it’s overshadowing all the other abilities.

I AM a healer, and can tell you having one ability overperform is boring. When I say I’m a healer I don’t mean I have one out of 8 characters that’s a healer, I mean both my max level characters I play are healers and it’s all I’ve been playing for months.

IzzyStardust

Iskiab wrote: »

No idea about the vigor nerf thread, I didn’t play then.

What I can tell you is for whatever reason healing springs has been left as the strongest healing ability to the point it’s overshadowing all the other abilities.

I AM a healer, and can tell you having one ability overperform is boring. When I say I’m a healer I don’t mean I have one out of 8 characters that’s a healer, I mean both my max level characters I play are healers and it’s all I’ve been playing for months.

*Months* lol. xD Yeah see me after a few Vet Trials HMs ;-)

Iskiab

IzzyStardust wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

*Months* lol. xD Yeah see me after a few Vet Trials HMs ;-)

Done, I have healed some vet trials. Healing springed it all the way. It also has nothing to do with the subject, anyone who’s healed knows exactly what I mean.

Pevey

There should be no healing at all in this game. Healing is OP. If you need healz, it is a LTP issue.

/sarcasm

FakeFox

Healers need a certain amount of power to be relevant. We need to be able to heal trough vAA HM or vHOF MH execute phases and healing springs is what enables that. Yes, healing springs is a very strong skill in that regard, but it has to be, the problem is that other AOE heals are just laughably bad. That said, healing springs is just that, a strong AOE heal, thats it. If your healing consists of just healing springs you are doing a really poor job. In fact the majority of HPS in a raid or dungeon fight should not come from healing springs, but your buff skills like orbs, altar and combat prayer. Healing springs is primarily a emergency heal.

IzzyStardust

Iskiab wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

*Months* lol. xD Yeah see me after a few Vet Trials HMs ;-)

Done, I have healed some vet trials. Healing springed it all the way. It also has nothing to do with the subject, anyone who’s healed knows exactly what I mean.

I said VET HMS as in Hard Modes. As In Heal Any Hard Mode, in any VET trial. Not NORMAL, vet.
I have healed since 2014. I know exactly what I mean.

IzzyStardust

FakeFox wrote: »

Healers need a certain amount of power to be relevant. We need to be able to heal trough vAA HM or vHOF MH execute phases and healing springs is what enables that. Yes, healing springs is a very strong skill in that regard, but it has to be, the problem is that other AOE heals are just laughably bad. That said, healing springs is just that, a strong AOE heal, thats it. If your healing consists of just healing springs you are doing a really poor job. In fact the majority of HPS in a raid or dungeon fight should not come from healing springs, but your buff skills like orbs, altar and combat prayer. Healing springs is primarily a emergency heal.

Except on certain phases of certain things (jussayin!) - 100% ABSOLUTELY!

Iskiab

I have yet to hear a counter argument.

If healing springs is an emergency heal why is the cost so cheap?

LeHarrt91

Iskiab wrote: »

I have yet to hear a counter argument.

If healing springs is an emergency heal why is the cost so cheap?

Healing Springs isnt an Emergency Heal its a sustained heal over time. and the only ground based aoe heal over time in the resto tree.

IzzyStardust

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I have yet to hear a counter argument.

If healing springs is an emergency heal why is the cost so cheap?

Healing Springs isnt an Emergency Heal its a sustained heal over time. and the only ground based aoe heal over time in the resto tree.

FakeFox who said that originally, meant that your heals should be mostly Combat Prayer/Orbs & Altar (this is more recent), and healing springs is more for when you have a LOT of heavy, ongoing, incoming damage (like Burn Phases and similar).

ESO_Nightingale

Wut

NyassaV

... Sure? I mean... Why though? I don't see much of a reason to but as long as it's only by like 10% I don't see much of a reason to be a terrible change?

This suggestion just feels a bit pointless

Vapirko

Iskiab wrote: »

No idea about the vigor nerf thread, I didn’t play then.

You didn’t play two weeks ago?

Morgul667

The troll is strong with this one

Crafts_Many_Boxes

Healing springs is only so prevalent because most other aoe heals in the game are so weak. As others have mentioned, healers need access to strong heals like this because some content in this game (especially older stuff) still has healing checks that aren't just rng or oneshots. The trade-off is that you need a resto staff to even cast it.

I would love to see more heals come into play in pve, but not at the cost of nerfing one of the few spells left in the healing toolkit.

AcadianPaladin

Don't nerf anything that will discourage healers - unless you think we have too many healers in ESO.

Healing Springs earns a slot on my PvE magplar healer's bar and has a specific niche.

Burst heal? No, that is BoL
HoT? No, those are rapid/mutagen and Extended Ritual

Combat Prayer is quite positionally depended and rather expensive.

Springs is affordable, hits several with a unique but not overly strong 'burst over time' and has full 28m range. Reduce any of these features and I'd drop Springs for something else. It is not overpowered nor does it comprise anything resembling the centerpiece of my healing.

I don't share OPs PvE concerns but will concede I don't know (or care) enough about PvP to comment except to recommend (as ever) that PvE and PvP be balanced separately.

Tasear

This is all a conspiracy for dps ...? You want healers to matter less?

Iskiab

If there aren’t enough healers (would be news to me) then the main reason would be healing springs.

I use two resto abilities as a healer: healing springs and combat prayer, and combat prayer is for the buff. The rest are guild skills or abilities for debuffs.

Another thing, why would this make healers less important? Using a healer is optimal in all group settings.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Iskiab wrote: »

If there aren’t enough healers (would be news to me) then the main reason would be healing springs.

I use two resto abilities as a healer: healing springs and combat prayer, and combat prayer is for the buff. The rest are guild skills or abilities for debuffs.

Another thing, why would this make healers less important? Using a healer is optimal in all group settings.

That is a funny way of saying self sufficient tank.

Springs is great. No nerf. this guy who made this thread, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/439576/fix-nerf-healing-springs-stacking-from-same-caster and you are cut from the same cloth.

binho

in PVP no one cares ...

in PVE everyone benefits from it ....

trolling maybe?!?

Idinuse

All Magicka heals should be just precisely so strong that I still can easily kill everything with my Stam skills. Keep Vigor as is, and maybe buff all Stamina Health steal abilities. Game needs to be balanced so that I always kill and never die on my stream. Zos! Make it so! TWITCH! you know what I mean.

Lol.

SaintSubwayy

Trollthread...can be Closed.

GL healing vCR+3 with only healingsprings and Prayer...pleas make a video of that and proove me worng but...aint gona happen, since you'll wipe over and over without the use of any other healingsources

PS you know that Healingsprings are capped to heal a max of 6 targets with each tick right?

Seraphayel

Healing Springs is a great heal. Too strong? Well, would there be more heals available for everyone in the game I'd say yes. But due to the lack of sufficient healing skills in the game I'd say Healing Springs is absolutely fine.

Nerftheforums

Let's nerf your freedom of posting in here, how 'bout dat?

Grianasteri

I have never understood why everyone likes healing springs so much.

Its weak. I don't even use it on my healers.

There are more powerful healing spells that do more for the team than healing springs.

Have I missed something and if so please can someone genuinely explain what? I am more than happy to add it to my healers if there is a good reason to do so.

Grianasteri

Grianasteri wrote: »

I have never understood why everyone likes healing springs so much.

Its weak. I don't even use it on my healers.

There are more powerful healing spells that do more for the team than healing springs.

Have I missed something and if so please can someone genuinely explain what? I am more than happy to add it to my healers if there is a good reason to do so.

OK so I caved in and finally made a Templar healer. Got him Spell Power Cure and Sanctuary running in full over the weekend, which is a great starting point and I am very much enjoying him as an alternative to my Warden and Nightblade healers.

I am currently running with Healing Springs, in spite of my doubts. The main plus I can see is the ability to project healing over a great distance (it also returns magica, which helps with sustain). However it is so short lived that it requires a lot of hard work to make it an effective part of the rotation. Alone, the occasional healing springs is not likely to save someone from a big hit, so its more a case of providing high health per second from constantly spamming it within the rotation. It works, but its not my ideal way to heal, so I may change it out, after all I am already supplying health per second from Blood alter, mutagen and my purify spell, which is quite a bit.

A work in progress. I may report back in future, so that no one can ready my comments and thoughts, lol.

FakeFox

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I have yet to hear a counter argument.

If healing springs is an emergency heal why is the cost so cheap?

Healing Springs isnt an Emergency Heal its a sustained heal over time. and the only ground based aoe heal over time in the resto tree.

Why can't it be both? Springs is a emergency heal in the way that it is used when the off heal from other skills can no longer keep the group alive in damage heavy phases. It is in that regard a emergency heal and has a significant burst, however because those phases usually consist of sustained damage over a certain period of time a HOT is needed to properly heal through them. Springs being very cheap is another factor in this type of usage, it assures that a healer can resort to just keeping the group alive if he gets sustain issues with his normal rotation or mechanics drain magicka..

Brrrofski

Grianasteri wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

I have never understood why everyone likes healing springs so much.

Its weak. I don't even use it on my healers.

There are more powerful healing spells that do more for the team than healing springs.

Have I missed something and if so please can someone genuinely explain what? I am more than happy to add it to my healers if there is a good reason to do so.

OK so I caved in and finally made a Templar healer. Got him Spell Power Cure and Sanctuary running in full over the weekend, which is a great starting point and I am very much enjoying him as an alternative to my Warden and Nightblade healers.

I am currently running with Healing Springs, in spite of my doubts. The main plus I can see is the ability to project healing over a great distance (it also returns magica, which helps with sustain). However it is so short lived that it requires a lot of hard work to make it an effective part of the rotation. Alone, the occasional healing springs is not likely to save someone from a big hit, so its more a case of providing high health per second from constantly spamming it within the rotation. It works, but its not my ideal way to heal, so I may change it out, after all I am already supplying health per second from Blood alter, mutagen and my purify spell, which is quite a bit.

A work in progress. I may report back in future, so that no one can ready my comments and thoughts, lol.

It's super potent and should be your main heal. Mutagen only hits 2 people per cast. Purifying ritual gives health every 2 seconds. Blood alter only work if people do damage and might drop off when going defensive.

Healing springs heals more than them all combined, hits 6 people afaik and restores magica per person hit. If you use the master resto it also return stamina. It should be your primary heal, keep mutagen on people, keep your ritual down and use breath of life for emergencies