Overload need to be changed

Destary

Hello there !

So, with all new changes on Overload, that ult are now... useless for PVP. Damages are just pathetic and that can be reflect/dodge easy.

That why i propose to change this ult, cause sorcerer don't have a viable instant damage ultimate.
My ideas are :
- A shock morph of dawnbreaker. I think that can be a good idea to change Overload and do a AOE instant damage. The price will be same or little bit more than a dawnbreaker
- An instant mono ultimate.

Like i said, Magsorc don't have a viable instant damage ultimate. If we compare with other classes, DK have Leap, Nb have Incap..(70 ultimate, heavy damages, nerf heal and increase damage by 20%...), templar have Crescent Sweep... So i think that not crazy to claim a REAL instant ultimate on Magsorc.

Thank you and sorry for my bad english.

MashmalloMan

MAG sorcs have enough ults.

Suppression Field (Mag DD)
Absorption Field (Healer)

Greater Storm Atro (Mag DD)-> Mag DD
Charged Atro (Mag DD)-> Air Atro (Sta DD)

Power Overload (Mag DD) -> (Tank)
Energy Overload (Mag DD)

Just make the heavy attack on Energy Overload a Shock Dawnbreaker

Valykc

/sign

I’m here for this change!

Lord_Eomer

Marshall1289 wrote: »

MAG sorcs have enough ults.

Suppression Field (Mag DD)
Absorption Field (Healer)

Greater Storm Atro (Mag DD)-> Mag DD
Charged Atro (Mag DD)-> Air Atro (Sta DD)

Power Overload (Mag DD) -> (Tank)
Energy Overload (Mag DD)

Just make the heavy attack on Energy Overload a Shock Dawnbreaker

OP is right Overload is useless, this was once great in PVP and PVE.

Overload is low cost ultimate and have importance and should not be ignored.

Destary

Marshall1289 wrote: »

MAG sorcs have enough ults.

Suppression Field (Mag DD)
Absorption Field (Healer)

Greater Storm Atro (Mag DD)-> Mag DD
Charged Atro (Mag DD)-> Air Atro (Sta DD)

Power Overload (Mag DD) -> (Tank)
Energy Overload (Mag DD)

Just make the heavy attack on Energy Overload a Shock Dawnbreaker

That why i said in PVP. In PVP attro is great but on Magsorc you need to kite, so 170 ult for 2 sec that not good, Negate... That only for large scale but in smallscale you need damage so it's useless and overload Like i said in my post, useless af, no damage and you say "heavy attack with overload" = you can't shield = you die

Ragnaroek93

What could possibly go wrong with giving a burst ultimate to a class which already has two delayed burst abilities...

Lord-Otto

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

What could possibly go wrong with giving a burst ultimate to a class which already has two delayed burst abilities...

What could possibly go wrong giving the class with the strongest single-target ult that also defiles and debuffs a 8% damage buff and a burst move that outshoots an ultimate?

Chilly-McFreeze

Whatever they do, make sure it benefits the whole class not only the part that uses a specific resource pool.

Sincerely,
one of the dudes that wants to use more than 2-3 class skills

Destary

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

What could possibly go wrong with giving a burst ultimate to a class which already has two delayed burst abilities...

Look at Nightblade for exemple ^^ And isn't only 2 burst ability So, please, stop crying all time a player propose a buff on sorc, thank you

sharquez

Useless for Pvp? Because I've been singing the praises of new overload in pvp since murkmire came out.
It is an exceptionally versatile ultimate now allowing for you to seamlessly alternate between the longest and strongest sutained aoe damage of any ultimate, and face melting light attacks that can be boosted by empower and imbue weapon. Synergizing sets include Molag Kena, Queens Elegance, Might of the lost legion, Netch's touch. the loss of the third bar was dissapointing but hardly game breaking. Sorcerer's are not in the best of spots seemingly being targeted for massive and unneeded meddlesome adjustments each and every patch, but the overload play-style in terms of ease of use and raw damage has never been better.

Chilly-McFreeze

sharquez wrote: »

[...] but the overload play-style in terms of ease of use and raw damage has never been better.

Ease of use maybe but raw damage? Come on.

sharquez

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

[...] but the overload play-style in terms of ease of use and raw damage has never been better.

Ease of use maybe but raw damage? Come on.

So the reason I say this, is because even though the light attack damage was halfed, it s now weavable with skills and boosted by empower (40%) and imbue weapon. And then the heavy attack was increased dramatically can tool tip for around 15k per tick with potential to go higher.

Destary

sharquez wrote: »

Useless for Pvp? Because I've been singing the praises of new overload in pvp since murkmire came out.
It is an exceptionally versatile ultimate now allowing for you to seamlessly alternate between the longest and strongest sutained aoe damage of any ultimate, and face melting light attacks that can be boosted by empower and imbue weapon. Synergizing sets include Molag Kena, Queens Elegance, Might of the lost legion, Netch's touch. the loss of the third bar was dissapointing but hardly game breaking. Sorcerer's are not in the best of spots seemingly being targeted for massive and unneeded meddlesome adjustments each and every patch, but the overload play-style in terms of ease of use and raw damage has never been better.

Empower ? What skill give empower on sorc, let me search 1 sec... Ah ! ANYONE ! So yeah, overload gameplay is a "unique gameplay" but a unique gameplay that don't work when you don't have 30 buffers with you. I tried a build with it, 35CP on light and heavy attacks, 47k magicka, full damage. Best Overload ? 4.8k... That can be dodge and reflect, so it's useless

Crixus8000

sharquez wrote: »

So the reason I say this, is because even though the light attack damage was halfed, it s now weavable with skills and boosted by empower (40%) and imbue weapon. And then the heavy attack was increased dramatically can tool tip for around 15k per tick with potential to go higher.

Weavable yes but still feels clunky and it's too slow.

sharquez

Destary wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

Useless for Pvp? Because I've been singing the praises of new overload in pvp since murkmire came out.
It is an exceptionally versatile ultimate now allowing for you to seamlessly alternate between the longest and strongest sutained aoe damage of any ultimate, and face melting light attacks that can be boosted by empower and imbue weapon. Synergizing sets include Molag Kena, Queens Elegance, Might of the lost legion, Netch's touch. the loss of the third bar was dissapointing but hardly game breaking. Sorcerer's are not in the best of spots seemingly being targeted for massive and unneeded meddlesome adjustments each and every patch, but the overload play-style in terms of ease of use and raw damage has never been better.

Empower ? What skill give empower on sorc, let me search 1 sec... Ah ! ANYONE ! So yeah, overload gameplay is a "unique gameplay" but a unique gameplay that don't work when you don't have 30 buffers with you. I tried a build with it, 35CP on light and heavy attacks, 47k magicka, full damage. Best Overload ? 4.8k... That can be dodge and reflect, so it's useless

Sources of empower available to Sorc include: The mages guild skill line, available to all characters, and the armor set Might of the Lost Legion. As for dodge and reflect problems you know what cannot be dodged or reflected and hits for at least double the strength of the light attack? The heavy attack. I'm sorry Sorcs aren't as good as they were just after Summerset. but to say we are useless? That is just baseless hyperbole.

Ragnaroek93

Destary wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

What could possibly go wrong with giving a burst ultimate to a class which already has two delayed burst abilities...

Look at Nightblade for exemple ^^ And isn't only 2 burst ability So, please, stop crying all time a player propose a buff on sorc, thank you

Nb doesn't have delayed burst skills like Curse/Fury. Take a deep breath and realise that sorc got already buffed on PTS...

Destary

sharquez wrote: »

Destary wrote: »

sharquez wrote: »

Useless for Pvp? Because I've been singing the praises of new overload in pvp since murkmire came out.
It is an exceptionally versatile ultimate now allowing for you to seamlessly alternate between the longest and strongest sutained aoe damage of any ultimate, and face melting light attacks that can be boosted by empower and imbue weapon. Synergizing sets include Molag Kena, Queens Elegance, Might of the lost legion, Netch's touch. the loss of the third bar was dissapointing but hardly game breaking. Sorcerer's are not in the best of spots seemingly being targeted for massive and unneeded meddlesome adjustments each and every patch, but the overload play-style in terms of ease of use and raw damage has never been better.

Empower ? What skill give empower on sorc, let me search 1 sec... Ah ! ANYONE ! So yeah, overload gameplay is a "unique gameplay" but a unique gameplay that don't work when you don't have 30 buffers with you. I tried a build with it, 35CP on light and heavy attacks, 47k magicka, full damage. Best Overload ? 4.8k... That can be dodge and reflect, so it's useless

Sources of empower available to Sorc include: The mages guild skill line, available to all characters, and the armor set Might of the Lost Legion. As for dodge and reflect problems you know what cannot be dodged or reflected and hits for at least double the strength of the light attack? The heavy attack. I'm sorry Sorcs aren't as good as they were just after Summerset. but to say we are useless? That is just baseless hyperbole.

Ok, so explain me what sets or skill you can loose in PVP for play with empower ? That buff only your ultimate so isn't good. I never said sorc is useless, i just said Overload is useless.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Destary wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

What could possibly go wrong with giving a burst ultimate to a class which already has two delayed burst abilities...

Look at Nightblade for exemple ^^ And isn't only 2 burst ability So, please, stop crying all time a player propose a buff on sorc, thank you

Nb doesn't have delayed burst skills like Curse/Fury. Take a deep breath and realise that sorc got already buffed on PTS...

Yeah, Nightblade don't have delayed skills, but he have a biggest burst and anim cut is really more fast so, it's exactly the same. You can incap + LA + surprise attack in 1 second. And, i know sorc take a "buff" next patch with Amplitude, but we loose Implosion, so we will do biggest damages, but loose a instant proc finisher. But yeah, if we compare DPS, it's a buff.

Lord-Otto

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Destary wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

What could possibly go wrong with giving a burst ultimate to a class which already has two delayed burst abilities...

Look at Nightblade for exemple ^^ And isn't only 2 burst ability So, please, stop crying all time a player propose a buff on sorc, thank you

Nb doesn't have delayed burst skills like Curse/Fury. Take a deep breath and realise that sorc got already buffed on PTS...

They have heavy frontloaded burst. Which is far better.

MashmalloMan

Destary wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

MAG sorcs have enough ults.

Suppression Field (Mag DD)
Absorption Field (Healer)

Greater Storm Atro (Mag DD)-> Mag DD
Charged Atro (Mag DD)-> Air Atro (Sta DD)

Power Overload (Mag DD) -> (Tank)
Energy Overload (Mag DD)

Just make the heavy attack on Energy Overload a Shock Dawnbreaker

That why i said in PVP. In PVP attro is great but on Magsorc you need to kite, so 170 ult for 2 sec that not good, Negate... That only for large scale but in smallscale you need damage so it's useless and overload Like i said in my post, useless af, no damage and you say "heavy attack with overload" = you can't shield = you die

What I was saying is a rework to energy overloads heavy attack to behave like a shock dawnbreaker, not the current version of overloads heavy attacks...

I'm just tired of so much focus and attention on mag sorc's instead of the other 3 roles a sorc can play, when you literally have 5/6 ults focused on magicka dmg, despite whether you think they're useful or not. There is options.

I think ZOS should focus their attention on other aspects of the class before we end up waisting another 3 major updates on mag DD balancing like last year, tanking, healing and sta dd is far behind for being anything close to interesting.

Also this discussion doesn't have anything to do with the pts and will be ignored

Pdoherty4637_ESO

I have a detailed post in this pts thread on this exact issue and why the ultimate is not working as it seems ZOS intended, for PVP.
Feel free to read it if you're unfamiliar with the issue. Believe me, I have tried to make it work, some people may see success with it (by building for it with empower and queens elegance sacrificing other more worthwhile sets), but not against skilled players. It is incredibly common for me to get 0 value out of the ultimate in BGs/Cyrodiil. Sure you can burn potatoes with it but you can burn potatoes equally as fast without even using an ultimate.

Synapsis123

There are pvp mag sorc builds that utilize overload to great effect. Maybe leave one of the morphs how it is and change the other morph to do something entirely different.

Qwazzy

Overload should be an AoE repulse (5 meter knock back)
Shock damage similar to Dawnbreaker/Soul tether add a small dot if needed

Morphs:
Minor vulnerability applied to all enemies in the area
8 meter knock back (or turn it into a stun)

Cost ~125-150 ultimate

Just my 2 cents, feel free to expand.

Rikumaru

WTB Air overload.

Emma_Overload

Why are people acting like the old Overload couldn't be dodged or reflected?

Anyway, they SHOULD make it unreflectable and undodgable ... simply because it's an ULTIMATE.

I wish they would give us a good instant damage ultimate, but I have a feeling that will never happen because ZOS hates sorcs

Destary

They don't hate sorc, they just love others classes man ^^

Dracane

I want to like Overload, but it's just not happening. It is slow, it is clunky, its functionality and cost is atrocious.
Whenever I try to use it in pvp, I immediately take it off again because I am better off using something else.

It at least offered much needed utility when it still had its 3rd bar. What we got in return is an insult.

Tasear

Marshall1289 wrote: »

MAG sorcs have enough ults.

Suppression Field (Mag DD)
Absorption Field (Healer)

Greater Storm Atro (Mag DD)-> Mag DD
Charged Atro (Mag DD)-> Air Atro (Sta DD)

Power Overload (Mag DD) -> (Tank)
Energy Overload (Mag DD)

Just make the heavy attack on Energy Overload a Shock Dawnbreaker

O.o when is last time I seen a DD use negate...

Destary

Dracane wrote: »

I want to like Overload, but it's just not happening. It is slow, it is clunky, its functionality and cost is atrocious.
Whenever I try to use it in pvp, I immediately take it off again because I am better off using something else.

It at least offered much needed utility when it still had its 3rd bar. What we got in return is an insult.

100%

Dracane

Tasear wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

MAG sorcs have enough ults.

Suppression Field (Mag DD)
Absorption Field (Healer)

Greater Storm Atro (Mag DD)-> Mag DD
Charged Atro (Mag DD)-> Air Atro (Sta DD)

Power Overload (Mag DD) -> (Tank)
Energy Overload (Mag DD)

Just make the heavy attack on Energy Overload a Shock Dawnbreaker

O.o when is last time I seen a DD use negate...

Never ?

vamp_emily

A sorc just killed me in BG!

#Nerf!!!!

Taleof2Cities

@Destary, though I agree this is a good topic of conversation, you really should be starting these threads in the Combat & Character Mechanics forums ... instead of PTS.

It's getting difficult to search for forum topics that are actual changes on PTS for the coming Update 21.

We should not be discussing changes that ZOS may or may not implement on the PTS forums.

Just so you know for next time ...